Brits Broke Into Home Of Terrorist

[red states rule]

The Brits know how to deal with terrorists. Perhaps the US should do the same.

The Brits broke into their home, listened to their phone calls, and used "snnek and peek" searches (enter the home and not leave a trace of their visit)

The Brits prevented 10 jest from being tblown out of the sky by using common sense acts to fight these terrorist pigs


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/443165p-373185c.html

Deadly ingredients

How Brits uncovered bomb-making material

BY JAMES GORDON MEEK in Washington
and ADAM LISBERG in New York
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

British intelligence agents who secretly broke into the home of a transatlantic bomb plotter discovered chilling samples of the simple materials that could have killed thousands.
The liquid ingredients and the common electronic devices that could have been used as detonators were found about 10 days ago, CBS News reported, proving that the terror cell was close to launching its terrifying plan.

British anti-terror squads broke up the plot in which travelers carrying simple chemicals in ordinary bottles would have combined them and blown them up in midair on as many as 10 flights between Britain and the U.S.

Investigators focused yesterday on two British-born brothers as ringleaders of the plot and their links to Al Qaeda.

British newspapers reported that the airline plotters may also be linked to the homegrown suicide bombers who killed 52 in London last summer - perhaps after getting Al Qaeda training. The Sunday Times of London said two subway bombers visited Pakistan at the same time as some of those arrested last week.

The Times quoted security sources as saying one of the men rounded up was not only the plot's ringleader but Al Qaeda's top honcho in Britain. He was not identified.

"I can't say that Osama Bin Laden was behind it. But we strongly believe this was an Al Qaeda operation," Pakistan Foreign Office spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam told the Daily News from Islamabad.

Pakistani intelligence officials have interrogated Rashid Rauf, 25, who was captured last week near the Afghan border, and believe he was working with Al Qaeda leaders within Afghanistan, Aslam said.

Yet he dismissed as "speculation" reports that Rauf planned the attacks in consultation with Matiur Rehman, a top Al Qaeda mastermind who is one of Pakistan's most wanted men - and has reportedly set his sights on a spectacular attack on America.

Rehman was also a member of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an Al Qaeda-affiliated militant group operating in Pakistan. That country's Dawn newspaper reported Friday that the group's leader in Baluchistan Province, Usman Kurd, was arrested in June.

Rauf's younger brother, Tayib Rauf, 22, was among 24 suspects arrested in Britain after Rashid was nabbed in Pakistan - as British officials, who had been tracking dozens of potential plotters, moved to stop them from going forward.

The Rauf brothers have at least three other siblings, their great-uncle Qazi Amir Kulzum told Britain's Birmingham Post, all born in Britain after their father Abdul Rauf emigrated decades ago from the Mirpur district of Pakistan.

British police refused to comment on news reports that another brother was also detained. Aslam denied reports in the Pakistani press that last fall's devastating earthquake provided cover for the plotters to move people and money between the two countries in the guise of earthquake relief.

U.S.-led strikes on Afghanistan and Al Qaeda's infrastructure after the 9/11 attacks caused grave damage to the Islamic terror network. With the group and its leader hampered, some experts feared that the next wave of attacks against the West would come from homegrown terrorists inspired by Al Qaeda.

 

[Gunny]

There are STILL those who, even in the face of this, are more concerned with a perceived individual "right" that according to them supercedes the security of the Nation. They'll just ignore this until it goes away and they can deflect attention back on something Bush has or hasn't done.

 

[red states rule]

There are STILL those who, even in the face of this, are more concerned with a perceived individual "right" that according to them supercedes the security of the Nation. They'll just ignore this until it goes away and they can deflect attention back on something Bush has or hasn't done.

I do hope the Republicans run an ad showing Harry Reid saying how the Dems killed the Patriot Act during the November elections

 

[Gunny]

I do hope the Republicans run an ad showing Harry Reid saying how the Dems killed the Patriot Act during the November elections

In case you haven't noticed, the Republicans do pretty much nothing to refute bullshit accusations from the left, even when every ounce of evidence supports them.

It's called not knowing your audience. The Republicans like to take this "moral high road" by not legitimizing bullshit accusations with responses while the audience sees this lack of response as there not being one; which, lends to the perceived credibility of the accusations.

The libs understand this, and play it to the hilt. When was the last time you heard a new argument from lib? They keep on regurgitating the SOS, and as the years pass, the defenses against them get weaker due to a lack of interest or out of exasperation. You can shoot down every part of one of their bullshit accusations, word for word, and they'll be back next week/month/year with the same argument under a slightly altered thread title as if they weren't hammered intot he mud the first 20 times.

 

[red states rule]

In case you haven't noticed, the Republicans do pretty much nothing to refute bullshit accusations from the left, even when every ounce of evidence supports them.

It's called not knowing your audience. The Republicans like to take this "moral high road" by not legitimizing bullshit accusations with responses while the audience sees this lack of response as there not being one; which, lends to the alleged credibility of the accusations.

I do believe the London bust will change that. I am seeing some Republicans speaking out, while the Dems have been pretty quite for the most part

 

[Gunny]

I do believe the London bust will change that. I am seeing some Republicans speaking out, while the Dems have been pretty quite for the most part

You were too fast. I'll let you go back and re-read my post since I editted and added to it.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Since when does foreign law serve as a precedent for US law?

And the security of the nation superceding the rights of the individuals sounds an awful lot like Communism.

Y'all can't even keep your contradictions straight...Sheesh.

 

[red states rule]

Since when does foreign law serve as a precedent for US law?

And the security of the nation superceding the rights of the individuals sounds an awful lot like Communism.

Y'all can't even keep your contradictions straight...Sheesh.

Not only did the Brits break into the terrorists homes. they also bugged the homes!

The Birits know how to deal with these pigs. We need to do the same to defeat them

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1890653.cms
Mi5 found bomb factory, bugged suspects

LONDON: British intelligence service agents secretly infiltrated a bomb factory and found liquid explosives and detonators weeks before they foiled the plot to blow up America-bound passenger jets flying from UK airports, media reported on Sunday.

Covert raids on homes of key terror suspects were also made to plant bugs and gather crucial evidence against them, The Mail on Sunday claimed.

The carefully planned 'sneak and peek' operation involved members of the SAS, or Special Air Service and other surveillance specialists of Mi5. It allowed the Security Service to eavesdrop on the suspected terrorists in the weeks before they were arrested.

The high-risk strategy which allowed the terror plot to almost reach fruition - potentially putting civilian lives at risk - is understood to have been discussed with Prime Minister Tony Blair and by the government's crisis management Cobra Committee, the report said.

A government source told the tabloid that this was just one of a dozen terror plots being investigated by Mi5. But the audacious surveillance exercise - approved by the Home Secretary - allowed Mi5 teams to build up a detailed picture of the group's planning, contacts and, crucially, when they intended to strike.

During months of careful work, the specialists are understood to have managed to get inside the gang's bomb-making factory - giving final confirmation that the plotters were indeed planning mass murder.

Hours of tape recordings, photographs and video are now likely to be used as evidence against the men if they are charged for their part in the alleged plot.

Tiny eavesdropping devices picked up conversations involving various members of the suspected terrorist gang as they put the finishing touches to their plans to blow up a series of commercial flights over the Atlantic.

The Security Service has a licence to 'bug and burgle' but only with the approval of the Home Secretary in order that any evidence obtained can later be used in court.

According to the report, over several months, former Home Secretary Charles Clarke and, more recently, John Reid were given detailed updates on the progress of the investigation to enable them to sign warrants for sophisticated intrusive surveillance against the terrorists.

As Mi5 reveals on its website: "The Services does use intrusive investigative methods, such as eavesdropping in a target's home and vehicle.

"However, our use of such methods is subject to a strict control and oversight regime.

"To install an eavesdropping device in a target's home we need to apply to the Secretary of State for a warrant under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA) to authorise the intrusion on the privacy of the target."

 

[Bullypulpit]

Not only did the Brits break into the terrorists homes. they also bugged the homes!

The Birits know how to deal with these pigs. We need to do the same to defeat them

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1890653.cms
Mi5 found bomb factory, bugged suspects

LONDON: British intelligence service agents secretly infiltrated a bomb factory and found liquid explosives and detonators weeks before they foiled the plot to blow up America-bound passenger jets flying from UK airports, media reported on Sunday.

Covert raids on homes of key terror suspects were also made to plant bugs and gather crucial evidence against them, The Mail on Sunday claimed.

The carefully planned 'sneak and peek' operation involved members of the SAS, or Special Air Service and other surveillance specialists of Mi5. It allowed the Security Service to eavesdrop on the suspected terrorists in the weeks before they were arrested.

The high-risk strategy which allowed the terror plot to almost reach fruition - potentially putting civilian lives at risk - is understood to have been discussed with Prime Minister Tony Blair and by the government's crisis management Cobra Committee, the report said.

A government source told the tabloid that this was just one of a dozen terror plots being investigated by Mi5. But the audacious surveillance exercise - approved by the Home Secretary - allowed Mi5 teams to build up a detailed picture of the group's planning, contacts and, crucially, when they intended to strike.

During months of careful work, the specialists are understood to have managed to get inside the gang's bomb-making factory - giving final confirmation that the plotters were indeed planning mass murder.

Hours of tape recordings, photographs and video are now likely to be used as evidence against the men if they are charged for their part in the alleged plot.

Tiny eavesdropping devices picked up conversations involving various members of the suspected terrorist gang as they put the finishing touches to their plans to blow up a series of commercial flights over the Atlantic.

The Security Service has a licence to 'bug and burgle' but only with the approval of the Home Secretary in order that any evidence obtained can later be used in court.

According to the report, over several months, former Home Secretary Charles Clarke and, more recently, John Reid were given detailed updates on the progress of the investigation to enable them to sign warrants for sophisticated intrusive surveillance against the terrorists.

As Mi5 reveals on its website: "The Services does use intrusive investigative methods, such as eavesdropping in a target's home and vehicle.

"However, our use of such methods is subject to a strict control and oversight regime.

"To install an eavesdropping device in a target's home we need to apply to the Secretary of State for a warrant under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA) to authorise the intrusion on the privacy of the target."

Not even a lame attempt to dodge the issue, you just ignored it entirely. When are you going to stop cutting and pasting and have a thought of your own?

 

[Gunny]

Since when does foreign law serve as a precedent for US law?

When it illustrates doing the right thing as opposed to the PC thing works.

And the security of the nation superceding the rights of the individuals sounds an awful lot like Communism.

Y'all can't even keep your contradictions straight...Sheesh.

Communism? Hardly. How about if there is no Nation, your individual rights aren't worth shit?

 

[Gunny]

Not even a lame attempt to dodge the issue, you just ignored it entirely. When are you going to stop cutting and pasting and have a thought of your own?

How, pray tell, is posting a link in direct support of the topic title "dodging the issue"?

 

[red states rule]

Not even a lame attempt to dodge the issue, you just ignored it entirely. When are you going to stop cutting and pasting and have a thought of your own?

Showing how the libs are wrong on so many different issues.

Everything the Brits and the Us have used to nail these pigs, the left has opposed.

We have solid proof these methods work, but the libs want to oppose them simply because Pres Bush is for them

Pres Bush and Tony Blair has given the left a big shit burger to eat

Enjoy every bite Bully Boy

 

[Dr Grump]

Pres Bush and Tony Blair has given the left a big shit burger to eat

Enjoy every bite Bully Boy

You do realise Blair leads the Brit version of the Democrats right? You do realise that the NSA is probably using the very same tactics when it comes to listening in on conversations etc, right? So what's your point? Brit tactics are better than the US? How many attacks have there been on US soil since 9-11....

 

[red states rule]

You do realise Blair leads the Brit version of the Democrats right? You do realise that the NSA is probably using the very same tactics when it comes to listening in on conversations etc, right? So what's your point? Brit tactics are better than the US? How many attacks have there been on US soil since 9-11....

Libs have opposed everyone of these here in the US

Blair is one of the few Dems who get it. Musch like Joe Lieberman gets it

According to the libs in the US we have been "lucky" we have not been hit again.

 

[Gunny]

You do realise Blair leads the Brit version of the Democrats right? You do realise that the NSA is probably using the very same tactics when it comes to listening in on conversations etc, right? So what's your point? Brit tactics are better than the US? How many attacks have there been on US soil since 9-11....

Exactly. How many attacks has there been on US soil since 9/11? You would have us believe it is the result of ignoring the islamofaggots?

As far as political labels go, you're playing semantics. Blair leads the Brit version of Democrats, not left-wing extremists; who, lead the US version of Democrats.

And I would say the point is that for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the NSA wiretapping program, this is evidence in the face of the tears that it works.

 

[Dr Grump]

Libs have opposed everyone of these here in the US.

To me is seems more a matter of trust. Libs don't trust Bush and his cohorts to do the right thing - ie live up to the spirit of the legislation. People believe that the admin will use the Patriot Act etc for purposes other than for which they were passed. Maybe not right now, but later on down the track. I can see why some would think that. Rove, Cheney etc are seen as rather slimy and seem above reproach. They have done nothing (IMO) to make them trustworthy....

 

[red states rule]

To me is seems more a matter of trust. Libs don't trust Bush and his cohorts to do the right thing - ie live up to the spirit of the legislation. People believe that the admin will use the Patriot Act etc for purposes other than for which they were passed. Maybe not right now, but later on down the track. I can see why some would think that. Rove, Cheney etc are seen as rather slimy and above reproach. They have done nothing (IMO) to make them to be trustworthy....

and they look pretty damn stupid for it with the current events

Libs would rather oppose Pres Bush then deal with the terrorists

 

[Dr Grump]

Libs would rather oppose Pres Bush then deal with the terrorists

I doubt that very much...

 

[Gunny]

To me is seems more a matter of trust. Libs don't trust Bush and his cohorts to do the right thing - ie live up to the spirit of the legislation. People believe that the admin will use the Patriot Act etc for purposes other than for which they were passed. Maybe not right now, but later on down the track. I can see why some would think that. Rove, Cheney etc are seen as rather slimy and seem above reproach. They have done nothing (IMO) to make them trustworthy....

Selective application of the slipery slope, huh?

 

[Dr Grump]

Selective application of the slipery slope, huh?

Possibly. With regard to the current situation it'll be interesting to see what the Dems do if the win the presidency next time around (in regard to legislation passed by this admin)....