Bribery is a loser

[Slade3200]

"Why do you on the left think Joe Biden is somehow "protected" from investigation for corruption because he's running for President?"

What the **** is wrong with your reading comprehension, lying con tool? Nobody said Biden is protected from investigation.

But when Trump asks for one you impeach him? Duh?

Because Trump is legally barred from soliciting a foreign national to investigate him, not because Biden is somehow "protected from investigation."

What law prohibits Trump from asking the Ukraine to investigate the Bidens?

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

So tell me, Faun...when countries such as Saudi Arabia gave millions to the Clinton Foundation...and then some of that Foundation money was used to supplement the salaries of Hillary Clinton campaign staffers...would THAT be a perfect example of a violation of S30121? Or is that to obvious for you on the left?

You see the only way you can make that statute apply to Trump is if you assign "value" to the damage that the truth did to the Hillary Clinton campaign when all of the sleazy things she'd been up to were exposed! You need that interpretation because without it...you've got nothing. Quite frankly I don't think that statute was ever meant to include ideas and facts...it referred to money being spent on US elections by foreigners. You know like Hillary's campaign actually DID!

I disagree. There is a long history of authoritarian regimes investigating and prosecuting political enemies which absolutely poses a threat to democracies. Also to answer your question, yes, if SA gave millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation and that money was used to fund their political campaign then it would be a violation of the law.

 

[Slade3200]

Under your definition of "help", Faun...that would be EVERY single American President who ran for reelection! All of them asked political favors of other nations in order to make themselves look better. It's what Presidents DO!

There's a MAJOR difference between doing something for the good of the nation that will "make yourself look good" and doing something that directly is meant to affect your election chances.

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

 

[hadit]

Under your definition of "help", Faun...that would be EVERY single American President who ran for reelection! All of them asked political favors of other nations in order to make themselves look better. It's what Presidents DO!

There's a MAJOR difference between doing something for the good of the nation that will "make yourself look good" and doing something that directly is meant to affect your election chances.

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

 

[Oldstyle]

Under your definition of "help", Faun...that would be EVERY single American President who ran for reelection! All of them asked political favors of other nations in order to make themselves look better. It's what Presidents DO!

There's a MAJOR difference between doing something for the good of the nation that will "make yourself look good" and doing something that directly is meant to affect your election chances.

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

I am a bright guy, Slade. It's why I'm amused at the OUTRAGE from the left because Donald Trump asked for an investigation into whether Joe Biden's son sitting on that Burisma board DID influence US policy in the Ukraine! That wasn't Trump paying for someone to concoct a totally false narrative about a political rival like the Clinton Camp did to him before and after the election it was him simply asking for the Ukrainians to look into whether or not something improper took place! You refer to that as "fishing"? Fishing to me means looking for something that isn't apparent. It's readily apparent that Hunter Biden WAS given a high paying position on the Burisma board that he had no qualifications for! You're right that isn't illegal but it begs the question...what did Burisma think they were going to get for giving the Vice President of the United States that job...and did they receive it!

 

[Slade3200]

Under your definition of "help", Faun...that would be EVERY single American President who ran for reelection! All of them asked political favors of other nations in order to make themselves look better. It's what Presidents DO!

There's a MAJOR difference between doing something for the good of the nation that will "make yourself look good" and doing something that directly is meant to affect your election chances.

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

 

[hadit]

Under your definition of "help", Faun...that would be EVERY single American President who ran for reelection! All of them asked political favors of other nations in order to make themselves look better. It's what Presidents DO!

There's a MAJOR difference between doing something for the good of the nation that will "make yourself look good" and doing something that directly is meant to affect your election chances.

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

 

[Slade3200]

Under your definition of "help", Faun...that would be EVERY single American President who ran for reelection! All of them asked political favors of other nations in order to make themselves look better. It's what Presidents DO!

There's a MAJOR difference between doing something for the good of the nation that will "make yourself look good" and doing something that directly is meant to affect your election chances.

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

I am a bright guy, Slade. It's why I'm amused at the OUTRAGE from the left because Donald Trump asked for an investigation into whether Joe Biden's son sitting on that Burisma board DID influence US policy in the Ukraine! That wasn't Trump paying for someone to concoct a totally false narrative about a political rival like the Clinton Camp did to him before and after the election it was him simply asking for the Ukrainians to look into whether or not something improper took place! You refer to that as "fishing"? Fishing to me means looking for something that isn't apparent. It's readily apparent that Hunter Biden WAS given a high paying position on the Burisma board that he had no qualifications for! You're right that isn't illegal but it begs the question...what did Burisma think they were going to get for giving the Vice President of the United States that job...and did they receive it!

I’m sorry, but you aren’t as bright as you think of you truly believe all that.

 

[Slade3200]

There's a MAJOR difference between doing something for the good of the nation that will "make yourself look good" and doing something that directly is meant to affect your election chances.

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

 

[progressive hunter]

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

you being a ******* idiot that doest care about national security might have something to do with your POV

 

[Slade3200]

There's a MAJOR difference between doing something for the good of the nation that will "make yourself look good" and doing something that directly is meant to affect your election chances.

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Its not coincidental BTW. It’s how Trump operates. His tactic is to turn the tables. If he thinks there a witch hunt on him he is going to get a witch hunt on somebody else. You haven’t noticed?! Almost every time he gets attacked he uses the “I know you are but what am I?” response

 

[Slade3200]

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

you being a ******* idiot that doest care about national security might have something to do with your POV

Thanks for sharing

 

[hadit]

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

The entire attempt to bring down Trump is clearly political. Heck, they started before he even took office. It doesn't get more political than that. They were determined to find anything they could to force him out, which is why every single word he utters and every hand movement is parsed for hidden meaning. Quite frankly, it's ridiculous, and many are coming around to see it that way. In all seriousness, if the democrats don't have anything more substantial than they've shown thus far, they're screwed, because you don't get rid of a president with second hand information, presumptions and assumptions, and blind hate, especially without overwhelming public support.

 

[hadit]

Simple question then, Lesh...how is asking for an investigation into apparent corruption by the Biden's not good for the nation? Because it exposes Biden as someone who allowed his family to cash in on his position and power? Why would THAT not be for the good of the nation?

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Its not coincidental BTW. It’s how Trump operates. His tactic is to turn the tables. If he thinks there a witch hunt on him he is going to get a witch hunt on somebody else. You haven’t noticed?! Almost every time he gets attacked he uses the “I know you are but what am I?” response

And it's been remarkably effective. Republicans aren't supposed to act like that, and democrats don't know how to deal with one who does. It's called counter punching, and Trump is a master at it.

 

[Slade3200]

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

The entire attempt to bring down Trump is clearly political. Heck, they started before he even took office. It doesn't get more political than that. They were determined to find anything they could to force him out, which is why every single word he utters and every hand movement is parsed for hidden meaning. Quite frankly, it's ridiculous, and many are coming around to see it that way. In all seriousness, if the democrats don't have anything more substantial than they've shown thus far, they're screwed, because you don't get rid of a president with second hand information, presumptions and assumptions, and blind hate, especially without overwhelming public support.

I’ll say it slower this time... Trumps. IG. Just investigated the origins of the investigation and found that it was legit. You can’t use the hoax talking point anymore.

you can complain about how the Dems and media politicized it... that’s valid, but it wasn’t a witch hunt and it wasn’t a hoax. It was validated by Wray, trumps appointed FBI Director and was then investigated and revalidated by Horowitz

 

[Slade3200]

Hunter getting a cush job because of his name isn’t illegal. If Joe used his office to get Hunter the job or influenced policy because of his son then there would be something... but there’s no evidence of that. Trump wants to go fishing and in the process of fishing and investigating he gets to paint joe as crooked for his political campaign. “Crooked Hillary now Crooked Joe” “Lock him up” this isn’t a new playbook. You seem like a bright guy, this can’t be going over your head, you see what’s going on, right?!

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Its not coincidental BTW. It’s how Trump operates. His tactic is to turn the tables. If he thinks there a witch hunt on him he is going to get a witch hunt on somebody else. You haven’t noticed?! Almost every time he gets attacked he uses the “I know you are but what am I?” response

And it's been remarkably effective. Republicans aren't supposed to act like that, and democrats don't know how to deal with one who does. It's called counter punching, and Trump is a master at it.

you are right that it is effective for all the dupes that fall for that crap. It does amaze me how many dishonest and gullible people there are out there. Pretty sad if you think about it.

 

[hadit]

Hmmm, fishing expedition. Now where have I seen that before?

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

The entire attempt to bring down Trump is clearly political. Heck, they started before he even took office. It doesn't get more political than that. They were determined to find anything they could to force him out, which is why every single word he utters and every hand movement is parsed for hidden meaning. Quite frankly, it's ridiculous, and many are coming around to see it that way. In all seriousness, if the democrats don't have anything more substantial than they've shown thus far, they're screwed, because you don't get rid of a president with second hand information, presumptions and assumptions, and blind hate, especially without overwhelming public support.

I’ll say it slower this time... Trumps. IG. Just investigated the origins of the investigation and found that it was legit. You can’t use the hoax talking point anymore.

you can complain about how the Dems and media politicized it... that’s valid, but it wasn’t a witch hunt and it wasn’t a hoax. It was validated by Wray, trumps appointed FBI Director and was then investigated and revalidated by Horowitz

It came about as part of a witch hunt, and the way it's been politicized has severely damaged the entire thing. Had the democrats not been so heavily invested in trying to get of Trump in the first place, they had a chance to avoid the partisanship label.

 

[CowboyTed]

I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.

I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.

Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.

Slade your right in some sense... But lets be honest the GOP was told by there own Security Experts that by backing these conspiracy theories they are helping Russia undermine US democracy and they carried on... Trump wasn't lying about shooting someone on 5th Avenue....

But I say continue for this reason, it is a trial and that means:

• Full Discovery of Documents
• Witnesses like
  • Rudy Giuliani
  • Mulvaney
  • Bolton
  • Pompeo
  • The Ukrainian two
  • & others
• Two legal teams with no time limits
• Unlikely to see:
  • Bidens
  • Mueller
  • Comey
  • or other people not actually connected with the crime

This will be all high class TV... GOP will dance the usual bullshit stories but America should at least see what these guys are, a bunch of con men... Difference they will be all under oath and democrats will have the emails and text messages to get them for lying. The witnesses will have to skate an impossible line of kissing Trump's ass and avoiding perjury, so a choice will be tell the truth or lie and hope Trump will pardon you...

Pardoning isn't working out for others so go down the truth seems the most sensible option...

 

[Slade3200]

are you trying to justify a witch-hunt on Biden because you think there was one on Trump?

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

The entire attempt to bring down Trump is clearly political. Heck, they started before he even took office. It doesn't get more political than that. They were determined to find anything they could to force him out, which is why every single word he utters and every hand movement is parsed for hidden meaning. Quite frankly, it's ridiculous, and many are coming around to see it that way. In all seriousness, if the democrats don't have anything more substantial than they've shown thus far, they're screwed, because you don't get rid of a president with second hand information, presumptions and assumptions, and blind hate, especially without overwhelming public support.

I’ll say it slower this time... Trumps. IG. Just investigated the origins of the investigation and found that it was legit. You can’t use the hoax talking point anymore.

you can complain about how the Dems and media politicized it... that’s valid, but it wasn’t a witch hunt and it wasn’t a hoax. It was validated by Wray, trumps appointed FBI Director and was then investigated and revalidated by Horowitz

It came about as part of a witch hunt, and the way it's been politicized has severely damaged the entire thing. Had the democrats not been so heavily invested in trying to get of Trump in the first place, they had a chance to avoid the partisanship label.

why do you force me to repeat myself so much? It did not come about as part of a witch hunt. That was literally just investigated by the IG and debunked. Stop spreading lies

 

[hadit]

Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

The entire attempt to bring down Trump is clearly political. Heck, they started before he even took office. It doesn't get more political than that. They were determined to find anything they could to force him out, which is why every single word he utters and every hand movement is parsed for hidden meaning. Quite frankly, it's ridiculous, and many are coming around to see it that way. In all seriousness, if the democrats don't have anything more substantial than they've shown thus far, they're screwed, because you don't get rid of a president with second hand information, presumptions and assumptions, and blind hate, especially without overwhelming public support.

I’ll say it slower this time... Trumps. IG. Just investigated the origins of the investigation and found that it was legit. You can’t use the hoax talking point anymore.

you can complain about how the Dems and media politicized it... that’s valid, but it wasn’t a witch hunt and it wasn’t a hoax. It was validated by Wray, trumps appointed FBI Director and was then investigated and revalidated by Horowitz

It came about as part of a witch hunt, and the way it's been politicized has severely damaged the entire thing. Had the democrats not been so heavily invested in trying to get of Trump in the first place, they had a chance to avoid the partisanship label.

why do you force me to repeat myself so much? It did not come about as part of a witch hunt. That was literally just investigated by the IG and debunked. Stop spreading lies

Whether it turns out legit or not is irrelevant to whether it was found from a witch hunt. Do you for one second honestly believe any of this would have come out had the democrats not been so adamant about getting rid of Trump and so filled with irrational hate?

 

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Of course not, one does not justify the other. It just seemed extremely coincidental that there were complaints of a witch hunt when we've been watching a very obvious, very long lived and very expensive one play out since before Trump was inaugurated.

Trump called it a witch hunt. His IG just investigated the origins of the investigation and called them legit. It wasn’t a witch hunt. But even if it was it does not justify doing the same thing to Biden. Whose situation is old news. The Biden thing is clearly political and pushing a foreign government to get involved in these kind of shenanigans is just plain wrong

The entire attempt to bring down Trump is clearly political. Heck, they started before he even took office. It doesn't get more political than that. They were determined to find anything they could to force him out, which is why every single word he utters and every hand movement is parsed for hidden meaning. Quite frankly, it's ridiculous, and many are coming around to see it that way. In all seriousness, if the democrats don't have anything more substantial than they've shown thus far, they're screwed, because you don't get rid of a president with second hand information, presumptions and assumptions, and blind hate, especially without overwhelming public support.

I’ll say it slower this time... Trumps. IG. Just investigated the origins of the investigation and found that it was legit. You can’t use the hoax talking point anymore.

you can complain about how the Dems and media politicized it... that’s valid, but it wasn’t a witch hunt and it wasn’t a hoax. It was validated by Wray, trumps appointed FBI Director and was then investigated and revalidated by Horowitz

It came about as part of a witch hunt, and the way it's been politicized has severely damaged the entire thing. Had the democrats not been so heavily invested in trying to get of Trump in the first place, they had a chance to avoid the partisanship label.

why do you force me to repeat myself so much? It did not come about as part of a witch hunt. That was literally just investigated by the IG and debunked. Stop spreading lies

Hey now, they were given marching orders by Trump himself. You really think they're going to abandon those just because pesky reality gets in their way??