Brexit Has Been a Disaster

[otto105]

Like most populist things, Brexit has been a disaster. Populism itself is usually a disaster. Politicians tell the population what they want to hear, regardless whether or not it's true. Whenever I go to the UK, all I hear is lament that the UK left the EU.

Eight years after the referendum, it is safe to say Britain has a serious case of “Bregret.” About 65% of Brits say that, in hindsight, leaving the EU was wrong. Just 15% say the benefits have so far outweighed the costs.​

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In the years since 2016, Britain’s economy has slowed to a crawl, growing an average 1.3% versus 1.6% for the G-7 group of rich countries overall. By putting up barriers to trade and migration with its biggest trading partner, Brexit slowed trade and hurt business investment.​

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“I’m angry,” says Steve Jackson, a burly taxi driver and part-time construction worker in Boston, a town of 70,000 in eastern England. ... many people here who backed Brexit feel betrayed. Jackson said that none of the promises made by politicians who lobbied for Brexit have come true: higher wages, cheaper food and energy, more money for healthcare, and less immigration. “We’ve been lied to—lock, stock and barrel.”​

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Goldman Sachs estimates that the British economy is 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been without Brexit, ... The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, a U.K. think tank, estimated that Brexit has resulted in a lost annual income per capita of £850 (over $1,000) since 2020. ...​

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Life in Boston meanwhile hasn’t noticeably improved, he adds. “We have achieved nothing,” he says. “You learn what you already knew: That politicians are liars.”​

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“If you think about Britain’s big problems, Brexit solved none of them: the crumbling public services, weak economic growth, a shortfall of housing and a need to modernize the energy infrastructure,” says John Springford, an economist at the Centre for European Reform think tank in London.​

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Populism sucks.

Another felon failure.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Does the UK have any spare money to being pumped into the state funded healthcare? Something tells me it doesn’t. Don't know, maybe privatisation makes sense. Or, better, some shared financing - state funds and private funds. A social model of a state adopted in Western Europe after the WWII seems to be coming to an end.

They will buy spare capacity in ptivate hospitals to do hip replacements and similar easy ops. But none of these places do complicated ops. Or ones that arent profitable.
Privatisation is asking us to give away hospitals and kit that we have paid for and transfer staff we have paid to train. And then the next day start paying for healthcare.. There is no upside there for us.

 

[ESay]

What improvements are you thinking of and the bit(s) you think needs improved, what's the current data on it and do you think it should get to?

Trade deals with other countries that would be better of what Britain had as a EU member, fair regulation, resolving social issues such as immigration, workforce deficit, healthcare etc.

 

[ESay]

They will buy spare capacity in ptivate hospitals to do hip replacements and similar easy ops. But none of these places do complicated ops. Or ones that arent profitable.
Privatisation is asking us to give away hospitals and kit that we have paid for and transfer staff we have paid to train. And then the next day start paying for healthcare.. There is no upside there for us.

Who knows, the time will show. I am not sure that Britain's shape is good enough to effectively reform healthcare, transportation, infrastructure without some unpopular measures.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Who knows, the time will show. I am not sure that Britain's shape is good enough to effectively reform healthcare, transportation, infrastructure without some unpopular measures.

There is plenty of money. Its just in the wrong places.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Trade deals with other countries that would be better of what Britain had as a EU member, fair regulation, resolving social issues such as immigration, workforce deficit, healthcare etc.

Examples and link please.

It's just that trade agreements cover reducing or eliminating tariffs, quotas, and trade restrictions.

 

[Captain Caveman]

They will buy spare capacity in ptivate hospitals to do hip replacements and similar easy ops. But none of these places do complicated ops. Or ones that arent profitable.
Privatisation is asking us to give away hospitals and kit that we have paid for and transfer staff we have paid to train. And then the next day start paying for healthcare.. There is no upside there for us.

History shows privatisation of the NHS was Labours speciality

 

[Captain Caveman]

Does the UK have any spare money to being pumped into the state funded healthcare? Something tells me it doesn’t. Don't know, maybe privatisation makes sense. Or, better, some shared financing - state funds and private funds. A social model of a state adopted in Western Europe after the WWII seems to be coming to an end.

How much in GBP is the NHS underfunded by? Privatisation in healthcare is the worst system to have.

 

[ESay]

Examples and link please.

It's just that trade agreements cover reducing or eliminating tariffs, quotas, and trade restrictions.

What links do you want? Of trade agreements that doesn't still exist? Or the UK signed something meaningful with the US, EU, China etc?

 

[ESay]

There is plenty of money. Its just in the wrong places.

And what those places are?

 

[ESay]

How much in GBP is the NHS underfunded by? Privatisation in healthcare is the worst system to have.

I don't know. But what I constantly hear is shortage of doctors, shortage of nurses, shortage of some medicaments, hospitals in a bad shape etc.

 

[Captain Caveman]

What links do you want? Of trade agreements that doesn't still exist? Or the UK signed something meaningful with the US, EU, China etc?

Links to confirm that, "fair regulation, resolving social issues such as immigration, workforce deficit, healthcare etc.", are part of, or not part of trade agreements, with examples.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I don't know. But what I constantly hear is shortage of doctors, shortage of nurses, shortage of some medicaments, hospitals in a bad shape etc.

But all EU countries have shortages of doctors, nurses, dentists, waiters, chefs etc.. it's the fall out of COVID lockdowns. So the grown ups know that, but Labourites (Lefties) just complain it's the government.

The NHS in the UK is a devolved matter. That means, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland each run their NHS. So if I go to Cumbria, England, you pay to use the hospital car park and for prescriptions. If I go to Scotland, no car park charges or prescription costs. So if Scotland argues, "NHS is underfunded", then why not obtain income from car parking and supplying prescription medicines?

Wales run their own NHS, but they spend £40,000 on a trans painted road crossing, and umpteen thousand on changing 30mph road signs to 20mph. Yet numpties down there claim the NHS is underfunded.

So I always ask everyone that says it's underfunded, "By how much?", and no one knows. One way is percentage of GDP spent on healthcare, but not all systems are the same, but if you look at Healthcare Delivered league tables, extra spending doesn't often equate to better healthcare be delivered. The UK tops many EU countries with healthcare delivery, but our spend is in the average area. But that's a Tory thing, efficiency. Labour's answer is a costly unionised striking efficiency system.

 

[Captain Caveman]

ESay Blair and Brown commissioned a study into the pros and cons of immigration. One con was, the rise in GDP was 0.3% lower than the rise in population. If you took £3 trillion for an easier GDP maths figure, that's £90 billion. So if immigration paid for itself, there's £90 billion extra for public services.

So population growth basically starts to outstrip public services because the money doesn't come in to expand services. So increase tax. So that means the indigenous folk that paid for and built up a better standard of living now suffers waiting times etc.. unless we pay for those that came from shithole countries. So ask a Lefty, "Where does the money come from?".

Lefties are fantastic at criticising etc.. but fucking thick when coming up with answers.

Just ask TommyTit and DeadBeat those questions and you will be hit with silence. They say, "Ignorance is bliss", and those two are well above the blissful chart.

 

[Captain Caveman]

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And what those places are?

Billionaires, oil companies, same old suspects.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yep....
And the main reason why Brexit was a disaster was that it caught the Government by surprise....they thought they were going to remain in the EU. The main driving force was the unrestrained and unrestricted immigration to where UK was no longer English and was rapidly becoming Muslim.

So when it came time to restoring independent trade treaties and guest worker programs....they didn't have any.

Meanwhile there was a global pandemic and quarantines....

Creating a perfect storm in all industries and a globalist agenda destroying every bit of progress made.

The Royal Family is usually instrumental in all of this as well as the House of Lords....but they were not able to put proper agreements in place fast enough....(difficult negotiations with everyone)

This is off the scale nutty. What do the royal family do ?

 

[JohnDB]

This is off the scale nutty. What do the royal family do ?

Ummmm....
They assist their own citizens businesses on both domestic and international trade deals. They are extremely approachable and available for those engaged in international export or import trade.

You showing your ignorance on this is quite telling don't you think? IOW you apparently never leave your house for someplace other than the local pub or market. What do you do besides whine online?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ummmm....
They assist their own citizens businesses on both domestic and international trade deals. They are extremely approachable and available for those engaged in international export or import trade.

You showing your ignorance on this is quite telling don't you think? IOW you apparently never leave your house for someplace other than the local pub or market. What do you do besides whine online?

They shake hands when the work is done. They dont actually do anything. Neither does the House of Lords. They dont even vote on the treaty. You have a simplistic view of Britain.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Is this the one where he wants to let sinking boats go under and kill people ? Or when he was waging his war against the RNLI ? Their collections went up when he attacked them ?