Breaking: Woman shot while trying to kill ICE agents in Minnesota

[TemplarKormac]

I will wait for further debate until I see all angles. I think thats fair.

Of course. That's always a safe bet.

 

[Dr Grump]

Was Babbitt driving an SUV at those members of Congress? No, she was unarmed.

The cop didn't know that. There were people everywhere rioting and breaking shit. This lady was in the middle of snow covered street minding her own business when along come the big, tough ICE losers. Completely different scenario. Only an idiot wouldn't see it that way. Are you an idiot?

 

[odanny]

The legal ramifications of a federal law enforcement officer being charged with a crime (murder, manslaughter, etc.) is going to be interesting, I don't know if this has to be a federal charge, or if the Minneapolis DA can charge him.

If this has to be a federal charge, forget it, it won't be coming. That sets a dangerous precedent for this to be repeated with no fear of liability.

 

[Dr Grump]

Of course its not but the question still stands. Leos have been doing this since before time started.

Really? The only time I've seen it is when it has been freezing cold. These guys wear masks as a matter of course.

 

[XponentialChaos]

In hindsight, I think it’s clear that she wasn’t trying to hit the police officer straight on. The tires turned much further than where the officer was, indicating that she was trying to go around the vehicle and flee. I would argue that if the police officer thought she was coming at him, then he guessed wrong.

I think my bigger issue is this: hypothetically speaking, if she was coming straight at him, I don’t think that’s anything close to a lethal vehicle attack from that distance. Cars can’t accelerate that quickly in that short of a distance. He got nudged by the car. He’s fine. In my opinion, that doesn’t warrant a lethal use of force. For even touching the officer with the car, she should be going to jail for a long time, but I don’t think she should be killed on the spot. My opinion.

It’s easy to play armchair police officer, but I think the officer knows his life isn’t in danger from that distance.

 

[TNHarley]

Really? The only time I've seen it when it has been freezing cold. These guys wear masks as a matter of course.

I actually pay attention.

 

[struth]

Iron clad proof she took extra steps to ensure the safety of officers before they executed her.

This was murder.

Looks clear to me, I can see why the officer feared for his life

 

[Dr Grump]

I actually pay attention.

Good on you.

 

[odanny]

In hindsight, I think it’s clear that she wasn’t trying to hit the police officer straight on. The tires turned much further than where the officer was, indicating that she was trying to go around the vehicle and flee. I would argue that if the police officer thought she was coming at him, then he guessed wrong.

I think my bigger issue is this: hypothetically speaking, if she was coming straight at him, I don’t think that’s anything close to a lethal vehicle attack from that distance. Cars can’t accelerate that quickly in that short of a distance. He got nudged by the car. He’s fine. In my opinion, that doesn’t warrant a lethal use of force. For even touching the officer with the car, she should be going to jail for a long time, but I don’t think she should be killed on the spot. My opinion.

It’s easy to play armchair police officer, but I think the officer knows his life isn’t in danger from that distance.

 

[Dr Grump]

I think my bigger issue is this: hypothetically speaking, if she was coming straight at him, I don’t think that’s anything close to a lethal vehicle attack from that distance. Cars can’t accelerate that quickly in that short of a distance. He got nudged by the car.

Exactly.

 

[marvin martian]

Tell that to Babbitt.
And quit whining about Babbitt.

Like Babbitt tried to KILL Congress members.

You'd have a point if Babbitt had driven a 6,000 pound SUV into the Capitol.

Instead, you just look like a moron.

 

[marvin martian]

I understand that's in the works.

This is shaping up to be like the loon Chuck Schumer encouraged to drive across the country to try to murder Brett Kavanaugh.

 

[Dr Grump]

You'd have a point if Babbitt had driven a 6,000 pound SUV into the Capitol.

Instead, you just look like a moron.

Instead she got lost among the other rioters...

 

[BS Filter]

So the driver of this van should have gotten shot in the head according to your statement?

Blocking vehicles isn't protesting.

 

[BS Filter]

Trumpsters don't do consistent principles. They just run interference for fascists.

Do you believe blocking vehicles is "protesting"?

 

[LibertyWeeps]

Iron clad proof she took extra steps to ensure the safety of officers before they executed her.

This was murder.

Two HARD, CONCRETE FACTS =

Innocent people do as instructed.

Criminals run.....or attempt to flee.

 

[Dr Grump]

Two HARD, CONCRETE FACTS =

Innocent people do as instructed.

Criminals run.....or attempt to flee.

Oh, I get it. Your avatar name is you being ironic.

 

[struth]

Sobriety checkpoints are actually a very interesting constitutional question.

But it also has nothing to do with this situation since there was no checkpoint.

No, they actually aren’t

Tr courts and said they are legal…see Michigan v Satz

 

[Marener]

Blocking vehicles isn't protesting.

Driving a car into people is assault with a deadly weapon deserving of a response with deadly force.

This driver tried to murder someone.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

Iron clad proof she took extra steps to ensure the safety of officers before they executed her.

This was murder.