Breaking: Van mows down people walking on London Bridge.

[leftwinger]

Mother-pluckers never interview the victims of these barbaric terror attacks and what it does the the families.

Correct. All those years and years of surgeries, the healing, changed forever for so many IF they survive.

In France..........I hear rumors that they did not tell the entire story of that concert massacre? The hours of torture going on after the shootings. They don't think we can handle it? Might add fuel to the backlash tommyT fears. Why did the Police not go in right away? Maybe it is only rumor?

 

[leftwinger]

Mother-pluckers never interview the victims of these barbaric terror attacks and what it does the the families.

Correct. All those years and years of surgeries, the healing, changed forever for so many IF they survive.

In France..........I hear rumors that they did not tell the entire story of that concert massacre? The hours of torture going on after the shootings. They don't think we can handle it? Might add fuel to the backlash tommyT fears. Why did the Police not go in right away? Maybe it is only rumor?

Speaking of old "Tommy T........" here he is by George.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Shake-downs would be monitoring Mosques. Or large scale implants of deep undercover agents. Or too many street stops.

Electronic surveillance of CLEARLY identified threats would tell you far more. Build maps of their contacts, their foreign connections, their travel. Attempts to buy bomb making materials or weapons. Financial transactions.

Too much overt police presence in those areas sends folks underground. It needs to be focused on LISTED threats and done COVERTLY.

And both the USA and the UK have 3 or 4 THOUSAND -- listed threats. MOST of the terrorist actions have COME from "dropped cases" on these lists. DON'T DROP THEM. Back off the police following them around. Make it an Intelligence responsibility.

More than that - it will make the muslim communities less willing to be cooperative and more fearful of the police.

I agree though - too many tips seem to have been provided on the people in the last several attacks and not taken seriously enough.

Police numbers have been decimated over the past few years. There arent enough offices to follow up every tip off. However it is shocking that they didnt act on the FBI tip off. The chances of an enquiry though are zero if the tories get back in.

 

[Tilly]

Shake-downs would be monitoring Mosques. Or large scale implants of deep undercover agents. Or too many street stops.

Electronic surveillance of CLEARLY identified threats would tell you far more. Build maps of their contacts, their foreign connections, their travel. Attempts to buy bomb making materials or weapons. Financial transactions.

Too much overt police presence in those areas sends folks underground. It needs to be focused on LISTED threats and done COVERTLY.

And both the USA and the UK have 3 or 4 THOUSAND -- listed threats. MOST of the terrorist actions have COME from "dropped cases" on these lists. DON'T DROP THEM. Back off the police following them around. Make it an Intelligence responsibility.

More than that - it will make the muslim communities less willing to be cooperative and more fearful of the police.

I agree though - too many tips seem to have been provided on the people in the last several attacks and not taken seriously enough.

Police numbers have been decimated over the past few years. There arent enough offices to follow up every tip off. However it is shocking that they didnt act on the FBI tip off. The chances of an enquiry though are zero if the tories get back in.

May has already promised an enquiry.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Shake-downs would be monitoring Mosques. Or large scale implants of deep undercover agents. Or too many street stops.

Electronic surveillance of CLEARLY identified threats would tell you far more. Build maps of their contacts, their foreign connections, their travel. Attempts to buy bomb making materials or weapons. Financial transactions.

Too much overt police presence in those areas sends folks underground. It needs to be focused on LISTED threats and done COVERTLY.

And both the USA and the UK have 3 or 4 THOUSAND -- listed threats. MOST of the terrorist actions have COME from "dropped cases" on these lists. DON'T DROP THEM. Back off the police following them around. Make it an Intelligence responsibility.

More than that - it will make the muslim communities less willing to be cooperative and more fearful of the police.

I agree though - too many tips seem to have been provided on the people in the last several attacks and not taken seriously enough.

Police numbers have been decimated over the past few years. There arent enough offices to follow up every tip off. However it is shocking that they didnt act on the FBI tip off. The chances of an enquiry though are zero if the tories get back in.

May has already promised an enquiry.

What are the terms of reference ?

 

[Roudy]

Not all are isolated, however a lot of their isolation is due to how they are treated when they get there.

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

Then they start their own prayer groups. Like one of the scumbags did when he was captured on TV praying with "his buds" on "The Jihadi Next Door Show". Shunning them is good --- but LESS important than TRACKING them. If Sky TV can track a group and find one of the London bridge slimebags -- Scotland Yard ought to be able to do it.

I'm getting plain fed up with MORE and MORE general surveillance on EVERYBODY -- when terrorists cases are DROPPED for "rules and policies" designed out of political correctness.

The last dozen terrorists in the UK and US -- MOST had been on watch lists. DROPPED, because they complained about being profiled or because of brain-dead "time-clocks" expiring on HOW LONG they can be watched. Govt is incapable of protecting anything under those circumstances.

That's what the Liberal politically correct speech has done. Muslims know this and have taken advantage of it, as we know. That is why law enforcement is always two steps late to the scene of the latest massacre, they aren't allowed profile, or take anyone in for questioning. And the public has their hands tied as well, everybody is afraid of being called a bigot or Islamophobic if they report suspicious behavior.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

Then they start their own prayer groups. Like one of the scumbags did when he was captured on TV praying with "his buds" on "The Jihadi Next Door Show". Shunning them is good --- but LESS important than TRACKING them. If Sky TV can track a group and find one of the London bridge slimebags -- Scotland Yard ought to be able to do it.

I'm getting plain fed up with MORE and MORE general surveillance on EVERYBODY -- when terrorists cases are DROPPED for "rules and policies" designed out of political correctness.

The last dozen terrorists in the UK and US -- MOST had been on watch lists. DROPPED, because they complained about being profiled or because of brain-dead "time-clocks" expiring on HOW LONG they can be watched. Govt is incapable of protecting anything under those circumstances.

That's what the Liberal politically correct speech has done. Muslims know this and have taken advantage of it, as we can. That is why law enforcement is always two steps late to the scene of the latest massacre, they aren't allowed profile, or take anyone in for questioning. And the public has their hands tied as well, everybody is afraid of being called a bigot or Islamophobic if they report suspicious behavior.

But these characters have been reported many times and those complaints have not been followed up. They havent been followed up because we have 20,000 less police than we had a few years ago.
So you are speaking in ignorance.

 

[Tilly]

Shake-downs would be monitoring Mosques. Or large scale implants of deep undercover agents. Or too many street stops.

Electronic surveillance of CLEARLY identified threats would tell you far more. Build maps of their contacts, their foreign connections, their travel. Attempts to buy bomb making materials or weapons. Financial transactions.

Too much overt police presence in those areas sends folks underground. It needs to be focused on LISTED threats and done COVERTLY.

And both the USA and the UK have 3 or 4 THOUSAND -- listed threats. MOST of the terrorist actions have COME from "dropped cases" on these lists. DON'T DROP THEM. Back off the police following them around. Make it an Intelligence responsibility.

More than that - it will make the muslim communities less willing to be cooperative and more fearful of the police.

I agree though - too many tips seem to have been provided on the people in the last several attacks and not taken seriously enough.

Police numbers have been decimated over the past few years. There arent enough offices to follow up every tip off. However it is shocking that they didnt act on the FBI tip off. The chances of an enquiry though are zero if the tories get back in.

May has already promised an enquiry.

What are the terms of reference ?

IDK, I just caught a part of her speech.

 

[Roudy]

Random muslim with backpack in London stopped and frisked today....oh look machetes.

Wow Achmed, are all these your guitars?! Wanna take a bath?!

 

[Roudy]

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

Then they start their own prayer groups. Like one of the scumbags did when he was captured on TV praying with "his buds" on "The Jihadi Next Door Show". Shunning them is good --- but LESS important than TRACKING them. If Sky TV can track a group and find one of the London bridge slimebags -- Scotland Yard ought to be able to do it.

I'm getting plain fed up with MORE and MORE general surveillance on EVERYBODY -- when terrorists cases are DROPPED for "rules and policies" designed out of political correctness.

The last dozen terrorists in the UK and US -- MOST had been on watch lists. DROPPED, because they complained about being profiled or because of brain-dead "time-clocks" expiring on HOW LONG they can be watched. Govt is incapable of protecting anything under those circumstances.

That's what the Liberal politically correct speech has done. Muslims know this and have taken advantage of it, as we can. That is why law enforcement is always two steps late to the scene of the latest massacre, they aren't allowed profile, or take anyone in for questioning. And the public has their hands tied as well, everybody is afraid of being called a bigot or Islamophobic if they report suspicious behavior.

But these characters have been reported many times and those complaints have not been followed up. They havent been followed up because we have 20,000 less police than we had a few years ago.
So you are speaking in ignorance.

Maybe if they didn't let in wave after wave of people that could potentially have terrorist tendencies, then you might not need a whole friggin' army of police to chase after them, and eventually turn your country into a police state.

Just a thought.

 

[Tilly]

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

Then they start their own prayer groups. Like one of the scumbags did when he was captured on TV praying with "his buds" on "The Jihadi Next Door Show". Shunning them is good --- but LESS important than TRACKING them. If Sky TV can track a group and find one of the London bridge slimebags -- Scotland Yard ought to be able to do it.

I'm getting plain fed up with MORE and MORE general surveillance on EVERYBODY -- when terrorists cases are DROPPED for "rules and policies" designed out of political correctness.

The last dozen terrorists in the UK and US -- MOST had been on watch lists. DROPPED, because they complained about being profiled or because of brain-dead "time-clocks" expiring on HOW LONG they can be watched. Govt is incapable of protecting anything under those circumstances.

That's what the Liberal politically correct speech has done. Muslims know this and have taken advantage of it, as we can. That is why law enforcement is always two steps late to the scene of the latest massacre, they aren't allowed profile, or take anyone in for questioning. And the public has their hands tied as well, everybody is afraid of being called a bigot or Islamophobic if they report suspicious behavior.

But these characters have been reported many times and those complaints have not been followed up. They havent been followed up because we have 20,000 less police than we had a few years ago.
So you are speaking in ignorance.

At least two of these guys were known to security services, that implies some follow up. so how do you know they weren't followed up? The police don't always report back to the reporter, I know that from personal experience. If they were reported for saying extremist things - that is nnot usually enough to do all that much. Do you think that people who report things are told if secret surveillance is a result of their information?

 

[Tilly]

All the Imams in London have refused to say prayers over the bodies of the killers. Its a pretty clear message.

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

Then they start their own prayer groups. Like one of the scumbags did when he was captured on TV praying with "his buds" on "The Jihadi Next Door Show". Shunning them is good --- but LESS important than TRACKING them. If Sky TV can track a group and find one of the London bridge slimebags -- Scotland Yard ought to be able to do it.

I'm getting plain fed up with MORE and MORE general surveillance on EVERYBODY -- when terrorists cases are DROPPED for "rules and policies" designed out of political correctness.

The last dozen terrorists in the UK and US -- MOST had been on watch lists. DROPPED, because they complained about being profiled or because of brain-dead "time-clocks" expiring on HOW LONG they can be watched. Govt is incapable of protecting anything under those circumstances.

That's what the Liberal politically correct speech has done. Muslims know this and have taken advantage of it, as we can. That is why law enforcement is always two steps late to the scene of the latest massacre, they aren't allowed profile, or take anyone in for questioning. And the public has their hands tied as well, everybody is afraid of being called a bigot or Islamophobic if they report suspicious behavior.

But these characters have been reported many times and those complaints have not been followed up. They havent been followed up because we have 20,000 less police than we had a few years ago.
So you are speaking in ignorance.

And maybe there are simply TOO MANY extremists to deal with (potentially 30000 of them).

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It's pretty meaningless message. Perhaps these same imams should focus on being proactive when it comes to ending extremist, not petty posturing after the fact.

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

Then they start their own prayer groups. Like one of the scumbags did when he was captured on TV praying with "his buds" on "The Jihadi Next Door Show". Shunning them is good --- but LESS important than TRACKING them. If Sky TV can track a group and find one of the London bridge slimebags -- Scotland Yard ought to be able to do it.

I'm getting plain fed up with MORE and MORE general surveillance on EVERYBODY -- when terrorists cases are DROPPED for "rules and policies" designed out of political correctness.

The last dozen terrorists in the UK and US -- MOST had been on watch lists. DROPPED, because they complained about being profiled or because of brain-dead "time-clocks" expiring on HOW LONG they can be watched. Govt is incapable of protecting anything under those circumstances.

That's what the Liberal politically correct speech has done. Muslims know this and have taken advantage of it, as we can. That is why law enforcement is always two steps late to the scene of the latest massacre, they aren't allowed profile, or take anyone in for questioning. And the public has their hands tied as well, everybody is afraid of being called a bigot or Islamophobic if they report suspicious behavior.

But these characters have been reported many times and those complaints have not been followed up. They havent been followed up because we have 20,000 less police than we had a few years ago.
So you are speaking in ignorance.

At least two of these guys were known to security services, that implies some follow up. so how do you know they weren't followed up? The police don't always report back to the reporter, I know that from personal experience. If they were reported for saying extremist things - that is nnot usually enough to do all that much. Do you think that people who report things are told if secret surveillance is a result of their information?

The FBI warned us about one of them. But he was not on the risky list. Im not blaming the police. Im pointing the finger where it should be pointed - tory austerity.

 

[leftwinger]

And maybe there are simply TOO MANY extremists to deal with (potentially 30000 of them).

Questions: Can any of the other bad ones (muslims) just pop over from the other EU countries? (Belgium). Can they just ride over from France? thru the "Tube"? (can they carry luggage?)

Tommys' answer to everything........more GOVT funding. You probably got Two-on-retirement-pension for every one-working...................like CALIF has. sigh. Throw money at it, that will fix it. Shut the door !!!

 

[Coyote]

It kind of sounds like Britain is where we immediately post 9/11 with the Patriot Act...figuring out how to balance a free society with security.

 

[basquebromance]

London Muslim mayor says folks shouldn't be alarmed.

Who exactly would be "alarmed" by seeing POLICE, other than criminals and terrorists?

 

[Coyote]

London Muslim mayor says folks shouldn't be alarmed.

Who exactly would be "alarmed" by seeing POLICE, other than criminals and terrorists?

Armed police when police usually don't go armed.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why are the UK and the US selling arms to the terrorists.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

London Muslim mayor says folks shouldn't be alarmed.

Who exactly would be "alarmed" by seeing POLICE, other than criminals and terrorists?

Armed police when police usually don't go armed.

If I see a police car drive through the village I wonder what is going on.

 

[Tilly]

What would you have them do ?
They kick them out of their Mosques,they report them to the police and they condemn their actions.

Both the Manchester and London killers were reported by their communities to the police and neither were followed up.

Probably because the tories have slashed police numbers.

What else should they be doing ?

Then they start their own prayer groups. Like one of the scumbags did when he was captured on TV praying with "his buds" on "The Jihadi Next Door Show". Shunning them is good --- but LESS important than TRACKING them. If Sky TV can track a group and find one of the London bridge slimebags -- Scotland Yard ought to be able to do it.

I'm getting plain fed up with MORE and MORE general surveillance on EVERYBODY -- when terrorists cases are DROPPED for "rules and policies" designed out of political correctness.

The last dozen terrorists in the UK and US -- MOST had been on watch lists. DROPPED, because they complained about being profiled or because of brain-dead "time-clocks" expiring on HOW LONG they can be watched. Govt is incapable of protecting anything under those circumstances.

That's what the Liberal politically correct speech has done. Muslims know this and have taken advantage of it, as we can. That is why law enforcement is always two steps late to the scene of the latest massacre, they aren't allowed profile, or take anyone in for questioning. And the public has their hands tied as well, everybody is afraid of being called a bigot or Islamophobic if they report suspicious behavior.

But these characters have been reported many times and those complaints have not been followed up. They havent been followed up because we have 20,000 less police than we had a few years ago.
So you are speaking in ignorance.

At least two of these guys were known to security services, that implies some follow up. so how do you know they weren't followed up? The police don't always report back to the reporter, I know that from personal experience. If they were reported for saying extremist things - that is nnot usually enough to do all that much. Do you think that people who report things are told if secret surveillance is a result of their information?

The FBI warned us about one of them. But he was not on the risky list. Im not blaming the police. Im pointing the finger where it should be pointed - tory austerity.

It isn't Tory austerity. No matter how much money you throw at this, We could not employ enough people when it takes 30-40 MI5 officers to watch just one of 30000. Why can't you get that? And the ones that people reported it seems were being watched but clealry others took priority. There's no point blaming this on money.