Breaking: President Clinton Tells Obama To Honor The 'Keep Your Plan Promise'

[TooTall]

It seems to me Virginia and this latest series of major state elections were a bellwether. A look at things to come. Not very promising for the Grand Old Party.

It looks like...

It looks like a landslide for the Democrat turned into a real squeaker once the facts on Obamacare were made public.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Perhaps you should get your head out of your backside, Sarah.

You are so far left, you are to the left of Obama. This law will come down, it is nothing more than an inevitability now. Remind me again how it's the government's choice to make me buy my healthcare insurance again?

Even if ACA were repealed, health care has evolved tremendously since it was passed in order to accommodate it. Medicine is already on a parallel course since it is a business and has no choice but to follow the model.

Say what!?! You mean 5-7 million MORE people without healthcare insurance (thank you Barry) is "evolution"!?!?

Lucy…you have some splaining to do!!

Yea, I could try to ascertain the whole kit and caboodle here and write a long explanation, but I don't have the patience and was not addressing the general aspects of the bill, just the consequences.

 

[Sarah G]

It seems to me Virginia and this latest series of major state elections were a bellwether. A look at things to come. Not very promising for the Grand Old Party.

It looks like...

It looks like a landslide for the Democrat turned into a real squeaker once the facts on Obamacare were made public.

Is that what you're going with?

 

[TooTall]

I don't want Obama GRANTING US ANYTHING...he isn't OUR dictator...

all I want is to see him RESIGN IN SHAME or IMPEACHED

Billy should go stick with giving advice on how to give and get blowjobs

Granted, it's a bit early in the political cycle, but I believe that this is the first salvo that will be fired by the murderers Bill and Hillary. I (sort of) get the impression that they will begin distancing themselves from the clown in the WH and begin selective attacks on him. Doesn't matter, because (of course) Barry can't run again, but they will be running on a platform of "WE CAN FIX THIS MESS".

You know - more bull sh$t…...

How soon we forget the "Hillarycare" attempt at socializing American health care.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

By the way - a little note....there are less people covered today than before ACA started last month.
Less people. And guess what? My bet is that by January 2015...2015. After the business mandate engages, there will still be less people covered over a year from now - than before ACA.

 

[TooTall]

It seems to me Virginia and this latest series of major state elections were a bellwether. A look at things to come. Not very promising for the Grand Old Party.

It looks like...

It looks like a landslide for the Democrat turned into a real squeaker once the facts on Obamacare were made public.

Is that what you're going with?

What did I get wrong? A double digit lead goes down to a puny 2 point win in a week. What do you attribute that too?

 

[oreo]

Well, I guess most of us guessed this wouldn't take long for Democrats to start jumping ship on Obama--with 5.2 million losing their insurance, after Obama promised them 32 times that they could keep it.

Bill Clinton being the first big dog to come out and say it, and in reality the person responsible for Obama winning a second term.

Former President Bill Clinton believes that President Obama should keep his promise that those who liked their health insurance coverage before the Affordable Care Act became law could keep that coverage -- even if it means changing the law, he said in a recent interview.

Bill Clinton says Obama should honor health care promise - CBS News

Now that Bill has opened the door for criticism on this issue--it's Martha Bar the gates for other democrats to follow suit.

 

[bripat9643]

Now you know this is going to piss Obama off severely. President Clinton has spoken and said this earlier:

""So I personally believe, even if it takes a change to the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got," said Clinton

Clinton just tossed a grenade into the liberal locker room because Obamacare can't work if people are allowed to keep their old policies. I think he's deliberately torturing Obama.

 

[P@triot]

I don't know what he'll do about it but if he decides to let people keep their insurance if they're happy with it, it can't be up to anyone but the person who makes that decision to pay the entire bill if said insurance is not adequate to pay for any hospital stay. Either the insured or anyone on his inadequate policy.

That is IF Obama would ever allow it to happen. I don't want him to, the law should stand as is so that everyone gets coverage who needs it.

No shit. Sarah G for the first time in her life just acted like an adult instead of a mooching parasite!

Conservatives have been saying for 100 years now that every person should pay their own damn bill in FULL. It's you Dumbocrats who want to keep passing the cost off on everyone else so you can avoid personal responsibility.

 

[MeBelle]

Now you know this is going to piss Obama off severely. President Clinton has spoken and said this earlier:

""So I personally believe, even if it takes a change to the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got," said Clinton


Bill Clinton: Obama Should Honor His Keep Your Plan Promise - YouTube

To do that, they would have to open it up to everyone to purchase any type of plan they want. Purchasing a plan that contains all the provisions of the ACA would easily double in cost. This may actually end up being what happens at some point, but it would be very difficult to change it immediately. Even if they did that, many policies would still increase in cost.

It CAN be done!!!

During a press conference on Tuesday, California Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones (D) is scheduled to announce a required delay in the cancellation of about 104,000 Anthem Blue Cross health plans that do not meet the Affordable Care Act's requirements, the San Francisco Business Times' "Bay Area BizTalk" reports (Rauber, "Bay Area BizTalk," San Francisco Business Times, 11/11).
Calif. Requires Anthem Blue Cross To Delay Cancellation of Plans - California Healthline

The move follows a similar state order issued to Blue Shield of California last week.

Calif. Officials Require Blue Shield To Delay Policy Cancellations - California Healthline

 

[oreo]

Bill Clinton is telling someone else that it's important to keep your promises???

That's hilarious!

What's next? Bernie Madoff solemnly lecturing us on the importance of integrity in business dealings?

Never the less, Bill threw President Obama under the bus.

Yes, Bill is starting to slap Obama around a bit.

 

[MeBelle]

By the way - a little note....there are less people covered today than before ACA started last month.
Less people. And guess what? My bet is that by January 2015...2015. After the business mandate engages, there will still be less people covered over a year from now - than before ACA.

The elephant in the room is the eleven (11) Million illegal immigrants who don't have health insurance.

 

[Sarah G]

It looks like a landslide for the Democrat turned into a real squeaker once the facts on Obamacare were made public.

Is that what you're going with?

What did I get wrong? A double digit lead goes down to a puny 2 point win in a week. What do you attribute that too?

There was something very close to a sweep of statewide executive offices that you're conveniently minimizing. That AG slot is still being processed. Only a 600 vote difference and it has yet to be decided. This is a RED state. Obama took it and Terry McAulliffe took it decidedly. You say 2 points but it was more like three. Predictions were 6 so I'd say Terry pretty much did what he had to do.

 

[Sarah G]

I don't know what he'll do about it but if he decides to let people keep their insurance if they're happy with it, it can't be up to anyone but the person who makes that decision to pay the entire bill if said insurance is not adequate to pay for any hospital stay. Either the insured or anyone on his inadequate policy.

That is IF Obama would ever allow it to happen. I don't want him to, the law should stand as is so that everyone gets coverage who needs it.

No shit. Sarah G for the first time in her life just acted like an adult instead of a mooching parasite!

Conservatives have been saying for 100 years now that every person should pay their own damn bill in FULL. It's you Dumbocrats who want to keep passing the cost off on everyone else so you can avoid personal responsibility.

I'm talking about Republicans paying their bills when their insurance turns out to be inadequate. Just so I'm sure you understand what was said..

 

[Stephanie]

I don't know what he'll do about it but if he decides to let people keep their insurance if they're happy with it, it can't be up to anyone but the person who makes that decision to pay the entire bill if said insurance is not adequate to pay for any hospital stay. Either the insured or anyone on his inadequate policy.

That is IF Obama would ever allow it to happen. I don't want him to, the law should stand as is so that everyone gets coverage who needs it.

No shit. Sarah G for the first time in her life just acted like an adult instead of a mooching parasite!

Conservatives have been saying for 100 years now that every person should pay their own damn bill in FULL. It's you Dumbocrats who want to keep passing the cost off on everyone else so you can avoid personal responsibility.

I'm talking about Republicans paying their bills when their insurance turns out to be inadequate. Just so I'm sure you understand what was said..

lol, but of course you were...whatever the heck that is suppose to mean..do you have a study that says, Republicans DON'T PAY THEIR PAYS or something?
please don't talk about stuff you have no idea about..spare us all

I've paid my own bills for almost 60 years, We don't need people like you or Obama insinuating Republicans don't pay their bills to JUSTIFY him passing this fascist law, Ofailcare
you want to be a slave to him, have it..but fortunately the Majority of the people in this country DON'T want to be

 

[abacus]

09/09/09 Joe Wilson was right. YOU LIE !!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

By the way - a little note....there are less people covered today than before ACA started last month.
Less people. And guess what? My bet is that by January 2015...2015. After the business mandate engages, there will still be less people covered over a year from now - than before ACA.

The elephant in the room is the eleven (11) Million illegal immigrants who don't have health insurance.

abacus

09/09/09 Joe Wilson was right. YOU LIE !!

Well, nutters, which is it?

Hint: Joe Wilson lied. ACA does not cover illegals. Illegals are not eligible to buy less expensive coverage.

But, Reagan's Socialist EMTALA does. You fools pay for illegals' live births and their abortions.

 

[abacus]

By the way - a little note....there are less people covered today than before ACA started last month.
Less people. And guess what? My bet is that by January 2015...2015. After the business mandate engages, there will still be less people covered over a year from now - than before ACA.

The elephant in the room is the eleven (11) Million illegal immigrants who don't have health insurance.

abacus

09/09/09 Joe Wilson was right. YOU LIE !!

Well, nutters, which is it?

Hint: Joe Wilson lied. ACA does not cover illegals. Illegals are not eligible to buy less expensive coverage.

But, Reagan's Socialist EMTALA does. You fools pay for illegals' live births and their abortions.

Recognizing that Joe Wilson's shout out to Obama occurred as he was discussing the illegal immigrant issue, the point of the post was more generic relating to the thead's topic.

 

[RKMBrown]

By the way - a little note....there are less people covered today than before ACA started last month.
Less people. And guess what? My bet is that by January 2015...2015. After the business mandate engages, there will still be less people covered over a year from now - than before ACA.

The elephant in the room is the eleven (11) Million illegal immigrants who don't have health insurance.

abacus

09/09/09 Joe Wilson was right. YOU LIE !!

Well, nutters, which is it?

Hint: Joe Wilson lied. ACA does not cover illegals. Illegals are not eligible to buy less expensive coverage.

But, Reagan's Socialist EMTALA does. You fools pay for illegals' live births and their abortions.

IOW you are completely clueless with regard to the history of amendments to EMTALA that came after Reagan. It was the Amendments that broke EMTALA.

 

[RKMBrown]

The Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) was enacted by Congress in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA) of 1985 (42USC§1395dd). Often referred to as the patient “anti-dumping” law, it was originally designed to prevent hospitals from transferring uninsured or Medicaid patients to public hospitals without, at a minimum, providing a medical screening examination and treatment to assure that such transfers could be done safely.

The concern for patient safety at that time was not unwarranted. Studies showed that in the early 1980’s of transfers to public or Veteran’s Administration (VA) hospitals, 87% were for economic reasons, only 6% gave informed consent, 24% were unstable at the time of transfer, mortality was 3 times that of other patients, and there were 250,000 such transfers occurring annually 3,4,5,6

Congress has amended and expanded the scope of EMTALA five times. For example, until 1989, EMTALA did not require hospitals or physicians to provide on-call services nor did it require hospitals with specialized services to accept patients in transfer. Over the years additional amendments enhanced the ability to impose fines, increased penalties, provided whistleblower protections, and expand the reach of the law and mandated duties of providers.

Despite passage in 1986, there was little enforcement of EMTALA for the first 10 years 7,8
. Enforcement increased significantly after the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS, formerly the Health Care Financing Authority or HCFA) published rules for the enforcement of
EMTALA in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) in 1994 [42CFR§489.xx]. By 1999 there had been more than 2000 EMTALA investigations and more than 1000
confirmed violations 9.

In June 1996 a diverse national EMTALA Task Force was formed to clarify the regulations with new Interpretive Guidelines published in July 1998. Interpretive Guidelines do not carry the force of law and, while well-intention, left many issues vague. As a result, federal and state civil courts continued to have a significant influence on EMTALA interpretation. Consequently EMTALA now has little
resemblance to its original intent of regulating economically motivated transfers. 10

http://www.acep.org/uploadedFiles/A...Meetings/EDDA/Phase_II/26 Taylor - EMTALA.pdf

IOW the purpose intent and execution of the law was completely changed and bastardized from anti-dumping laws to free emergency room care.

Don't blame Reagan for this mess.