BREAKING : NATO-member Norway to donate F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, becoming third country to do so I I SEE THE OLD FOX BEHIND OF THIS , AM I RIGHT?

[Litwin]

BAD NEWS FOR MOSCOW IMPERIALISM ! I SEE THE OLD FOX BEHIND OF THIS , AM I RIGHT ? ) This is just the start. There are plenty of F16 available.


Great job Norway!

42 - Netherlands
19 - Denmark
12 - Norway

NATO-member Norway to donate F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, becoming third country to do so

 

[CowboyTed]

Should leave the flag on it, to piss them off...

BTW...

Those idiots that said we should negotiate with Putin.

Wagner negotiated with Putin when he had an army outside Moscow... Wagner is another royal prick, BTW...

Putin's word is not worth a shit... There is not agreement with him that he will understand unless you show him consequences... You don't appease a bully like Putin, you bet him so he knows that we don't fuck around...

 

[Litwin]

Should leave the flag on it, to piss them off...

BTW...

Those idiots that said we should negotiate with Putin.

Wagner negotiated with Putin when he had an army outside Moscow... Wagner is another royal prick, BTW...

Putin's word is not worth a shit... There is not agreement with him that he will understand unless you show him consequences... You don't appease a bully like Putin, you bet him so he knows that we don't fuck around...

no negotiations only Moscow´s capitulation

there is the only one solution >

 

[JoeB131]

Should leave the flag on it, to piss them off...

BTW...

Those idiots that said we should negotiate with Putin.

Wagner negotiated with Putin when he had an army outside Moscow... Wagner is another royal prick, BTW...

Putin's word is not worth a shit... There is not agreement with him that he will understand unless you show him consequences... You don't appease a bully like Putin, you bet him so he knows that we don't fuck around...

Those F-16's won't be usable for a year.

By that time, the Russians will be so entrenched that nothing will get them out. You might even argue they are now, which is why the Ukrainian "Counteroffensive" has faltered.

Now would be the time for a negotiated peace that allows Crimea and the Donbass to join Russia for return of other territory.

 

[Litwin]

Those F-16's won't be usable for a year.

By that time, the Russians will be so entrenched that nothing will get them out. You might even argue they are now, which is why the Ukrainian "Counteroffensive" has faltered.

Now would be the time for a negotiated peace that allows Crimea and the Donbass to join Russia for return of other territory.

It can carry Harpoons. Nothing in the Black Sea fleet can withstand 24/7 sorties, even with air cover. Not only is their grain deal blackmail going away, but they will lose the Black Sea completely... unless they ask Ukraine nicely if they can please leave drydock.

 

[FA_Q2]

Good.

Always good to see Ukraine getting what they need to maintain self governance.

 

[JoeB131]

It can carry Harpoons. Nothing in the Black Sea fleet can withstand 24/7 sorties, even with air cover. Not only is their grain deal blackmail going away, but they will lose the Black Sea completely... unless they ask Ukraine nicely if they can please leave drydock.

Again a couple of problems with this.

First, if the Ukranians start attacking civilians ships carrying grain, they are going to lose a lot of the good will that they have around the world.
Second, it will be some time before Ukrainian pilots can operate these planes with any level of proficiency.

 

[Litwin]

First, if the Ukranians start attacking

we can start with attacking Moscow´s Black sea navy , do you have something against it ? logistic lines, Moscow army in Crimea etc.

Russian Black Sea Fleet 'hiding from a Ukrainian navy that doesn't exist'

Lieutenant General (retired) Ben Hodges says Russia's Black Sea Fleet is becoming "almost a non-factor" in the war with Ukraine.

www.forces.net

'Afraid of everything': Russia's Black Sea Fleet hiding in port

Unthinkable just a few weeks ago, no Russian warships are visible patrolling outside the port of Sevastopol following a Ukrainian drone attack.

central.asia-news.com

 

[Litwin]

Ukrainian pilots can operate these planes with any level of proficiency.

many of our pilots are ready to help ....

 

[JoeB131]

we can start with attacking Moscow´s Black sea navy , do you have something against it ? logistic lines, Moscow army in Crimea etc.

I have a problem with escalating the war that has now become kind of pointless.

Simply put, Ukraine can't make any more progress than they already have. The Russians are too well entrenched in their current positions. We're talking WWI type Trench warfare.

many of our pilots are ready to help ....

If a western pilot operates one of these planes, that would be a serious escalation of the war. We need to DE-ESCALATE this thing.

 

[luiza]

These planes are a 50 years old vintage with limited carrying range of only 500 miles . With Russian Hyper Sonic missiles five times faster than these stone age relics, the F16s can only load up and then come back down -- if they have not been knocked down within the first few minutes . When will they get there? When it is all over? Where will they fly from? If they do not have landing strip carpets to use , they just stop working .

 

[beautress]

Should leave the flag on it, to piss them off...

BTW...

Those idiots that said we should negotiate with Putin.

Wagner negotiated with Putin when he had an army outside Moscow... Wagner is another royal prick, BTW...

Putin's word is not worth a shit... There is not agreement with him that he will understand unless you show him consequences... You don't appease a bully like Putin, you bet him so he knows that we don't fuck around...

Mr. Ted, I believe the countries have had a change of heart since Putin's nasty boys and nastier missiles included Ukrainian day care centers, elementary schools, womens' birthing hospitals, and a few kindergardens to blow up with their heinously deadly missiles. When I found that out, I almost threw up. I can imagine these children-loving countries could be considerably irate about Putin's targets. They're not idiots, but they have a humanitarian way about themselves, and many fine Americans today had ancestry in the three countries you mentioned. I visited their countries in 2006, and I got the distinct impression the people there love children, and like me, it sickens them to hear reports that x amount of children were taken out in their own early-age schools. We don't need to know statistics to hear about children being executed by eyes in the sky. One child murdered is one too many.

We've all learned something about Mother Russia these days. Putin turned her into a whore the minute he cared so little about the Ukrainian children he would not bother himself to find out where not to kill them dead in their schoolrooms where they were learning about the world, geography, poetry, the fine arts of music, dancing, sculpture, and painting, not to mention caring communications in the presence of handicapped people. Many of the little ones and their teachers died slowly and painfully. Others survived without legs or arms. Others were just vaporized. I don't like this Hitleresque invasion one iota. What were the Russians thinking?

I've seen people from around the globe using Putin war pictures with Putin's face rearranged with wounds, facial gashes, and blood, several times and day after day. The nightly news had a different version of Putin in various conferences on the same evening of the morning the kill videos post what amounts to disdain, hatred, or whatever makes them hope Putin dies painfully. Just my thoughts on the sorry matter of Russian's invasive killing spree on neighboring and former satellite territories that became independent after World War II.

 

[beautress]

These planes are a 50 years old vintage with limited carrying range of only 500 miles . With Russian Hyper Sonic missiles five times faster than these stone age relics, the F16s can only load up and then come back down -- if they have not been knocked down within the first few minutes . When will they get there? When it is all over? Where will they fly from? If they do not have landing strip carpets to use , they just stop working .

Stone age relics? I looked up the F-16, and here are the facts:

Contractor: Lockheed Martin Corp.

Service: USAF

Armament: M-61A1 20mm cannon; external stations can carry up to six air-to-air missiles, conventional air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions and electronic countermeasure pods

Power Plant: F-16C/D: one Pratt and Whitney F100-PW-200/220/229 or General Electric F110-GE-100/129

Speed: 1,500 mph (Mach 2)

Range: 2,002 miles

One of the most versatile aircraft in the U.S. Air Force inventory, the F-16 Fighting Falcon has been the mainstay of the Air Force aerial combat fleet. With over 1,000 F-16s in service, the platform has been adapted to complete a number of missions, including air-to-air fighting, ground attack and electronic warfare.

In an air combat role, the F-16's maneuverability and combat radius (distance it can fly to enter air combat, stay, fight and return) exceed that of all potential threat fighter aircraft. It can locate targets in all weather conditions and detect low flying aircraft in radar ground clutter. In an air-to-surface role, the F-16 fighting falcon can fly more than 500 miles (860 kilometers), deliver its weapons with superior accuracy, defend itself against enemy aircraft, and return to its starting point. An all-weather capability allows it to accurately deliver ordnance during non-visual bombing conditions.

Design of the F-16 Fighting Falcon​

In designing the F-16, advanced aerospace science and proven reliable systems from other aircraft such as the F-15 and F-111 were selected. These were combined to simplify the airplane and reduce its size, purchase price, maintenance costs and weight. The light weight of the fuselage is achieved without reducing its strength. With a full load of internal fuel, the F-16 can withstand up to nine G's -- nine times the force of gravity -- which exceeds the capability of other current fighter aircraft.

Inside the F-16 Fighting Falcon​

The cockpit and its bubble canopy give the pilot unobstructed forward and upward vision, and greatly improved vision over the side and to the rear. The seat-back angle was expanded from the usual 13 degrees to 30 degrees, increasing pilot comfort and gravity force tolerance. The pilot has excellent flight control of the F-16 through its "fly-by-wire" system. Electrical wires relay commands, replacing the usual cables and linkage controls. For easy and accurate control of the aircraft during high G-force combat maneuvers, a side stick controller is used instead of the conventional center-mounted stick. Hand pressure on the side stick controller sends electrical signals to actuators of flight control surfaces such as ailerons and rudder.

Avionics systems include a highly accurate enhanced global positioning and inertial navigation systems, or EGI, in which computers provide steering information to the pilot. The plane has UHF and VHF radios plus an instrument landing system. It also has a warning system and modular countermeasure pods to be used against airborne or surface electronic threats. The fuselage has space for additional avionics systems.

Background on the F-16 Fighting Falcon​

The F-16A, a single-seat model, first flew in December 1976. The first operational F-16A was delivered in January 1979 to the 388th Tactical Fighter Wing at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-16B, a two-seat model, has tandem cockpits that are about the same size as the one in the A model. Its bubble canopy extends to cover the second cockpit. To make room for the second cockpit, the forward fuselage fuel tank and avionics growth space were reduced. During training, the forward cockpit is used by a student pilot with an instructor pilot in the rear cockpit.

All F-16s delivered since November 1981 have built-in structural and wiring provisions and systems architecture that permit expansion of the multirole flexibility to perform precision strike, night attack and beyond-visual-range interception missions. This improvement program led to the F-16C and F-16D aircraft, which are the single- and two-place counterparts to the F-16A/B, and incorporate the latest cockpit control and display technology. All active units and many Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve units have converted to the F-16C/D.

Why was the F-16 Fighting Falcon built?​

The F-16 fighting falcon was built under an unusual agreement creating a consortium between the United States and four NATO countries: Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway. These countries jointly produced with the United States an initial 348 F-16s for their air forces. Final airframe assembly lines were located in Belgium and the Netherlands. The consortium's F-16s are assembled from components manufactured in all five countries. Belgium also provides final assembly of the F100 engine used in the European F-16s. Recently, Portugal joined the consortium. The long-term benefits of this program will be technology transfer among the nations producing the F-16, and a common-use aircraft for NATO nations. This program increases the supply and availability of repair parts in Europe and improves the F-16's combat readiness.

USAF F-16 multirole fighters were deployed to the Persian Gulf in 1991 in support of Operation Desert Storm, where more sorties were flown than with any other aircraft. These fighters were used to attack airfields, military production facilities, Scud missiles sites and a variety of other targets.

During Operation Allied Force, USAF F-16 fighting falcon multirole fighters flew a variety of missions to include suppression of enemy air defense, offensive counter air, defensive counter air, close air support and forward air controller missions. Mission results were outstanding as these fighters destroyed radar sites, vehicles, tanks, MiGs and buildings.

Since Sept. 11, 2001, the F-16 fighting falcon has been a major component of the combat forces committed to the Global War on Terrorism flying thousands of sorties in support of operations Noble Eagle (Homeland Defense), Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and Iraqi Freedom.

Credits: F-16 Fighting Falcon

 

[Litwin]

I have a problem with escalating

THE DEFENSE SIDE ALWAYS ESCALATES, the leading geo - strategist Dr. Luttwak

do you want us or putin to win ?

 

[BluesLegend]

Remember the good old days when president Trump DIDN'T get us involved in another European war?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Dmitri, we've sent you hundreds of billions along with munitions and russia has smashed you with WW2 weapons and hired mercenaries.

 

[Litwin]

we've sent you hundreds of billions

look, ivan´s cuckold, its US very best investment

 

[Litwin]

 

[Litwin]

Remember the good old days when president Trump DIDN'T get us involved in another European war?

 

[luiza]

Stone age relics? I looked up the F-16, and here are the facts:

These planes are a 50 years old vintage with limited carrying range of only 500 miles . With Russian Hyper Sonic missiles five times faster than these stone age relics, the F16s can only load up and then come back down -- if they have not been knocked down within the first few minutes . When will they get there? When it is all over? Where will they fly from? If they do not have landing strip carpets to use , they just stop working .

Seems you missed out some Facts . And it is much worse than that. But I will leave that for another day when they start falling out of the sky .