BREAKING : Moscow "shots were fired at the British warship HMS Defender in the Black Sea"

[22lcidw]

Russia has always had its sphere of influence. We may not like what they do, but they also kept nations under control from being war like. Other nations like Eastern Europe have a beef. Their unfortunate dilemma is location. Stuck between Germany and Russia.

 

[Silver Cat]

None of our business. If the Brits want to commit suicide - they should do it themselves.
DDG 58 Laboon just left the Black Sea.

 

[Mushroom]

It was a provocation, they are not even trying to hide it anymore

Yes, and?

and for country, that officially calls Russia an enemy and constantly joins the sanctions against Russia, it is better to keep its warships outside of Russia's territory. Or, if the captains of the British navy do not know how to read maps, they should better take care of improving their skills.

And when did the UK declare that Russia is an "Enemy"?

And even so, what does that matter?

BTW, Iran claims huge areas of the Persian Gulf, and has been screaming they will sink any ships in their "Territorial Waters" for years now. Yet we and the rest of the world still ignore them. Not unlike when Qadaffy Duck said the same thing about the Gulf of Sidra about 30-someodd years ago. And how we respond to China when it says the same thing today.

So once again, you apparently think it is rational to fire shots and drop bombs on a ship that strays a bit inside of what a nation claims is territorial waters.

Noted. Should we do the same thing the next time we find Russia lets its ships or aircraft come a bit to close to our territory?

 

[Mushroom]

They definitely can read the maps. And the maps say it is Ukraine's waters.

And the waters around the Falkland Islands, thousands of miles from England, belong to Argentina?

No, it belongs to the UK.

Now why you are bringing up the Malvinas, I have absolutely no idea. That is UK territory, just as the waters around Guam are US territory. As well as around American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and other territories removed from the US mainland. You are really trying to grasp at straws here, I see.

 

[Mushroom]

They definitely can read the maps. And the maps say it is Ukraine's waters.

And the waters around the Falkland Islands, thousands of miles from England, belong to Argentina?
By the way, who owns Gibraltar? Spain continues to believe that it belongs to her....

Clearly, they can read maps. The provocation was carried out by order from above. Johnson ordered this and said that he would do it in the future. Why this freak wants to provoke a war is an interesting question.

"A BBC journalist published a video from the destroyer Defender"
Is there a BBC journalist on the staff of every warship of Her Majesty, or only those who are sent to arrange provocations?
A very important question, by the way.

Actually, yes there is. They are known as "Embeds", and are quite often part of the crew of just about any ship not actively in a war zone. We knew who the ones were on our Amphib ships in the 1980's, they routinely moved from ship to ship to catch stories of interest. Most times of a "local interest", like when they interviewed a guy I knew because his wife gave birth to a baby while we were at sea, and how he was looking forward to seeing them when he got home. It was filed with both the newspaper outside our base, and with his home town newspaper.

Are you really not aware that this is a common practice?

 

[Mindful]

HMS Defender was in internationally recognised waters. It was only 3 miles off the coast of Crimea, but no international body recognises Crimea as Russian territory.

 

[Silver Cat]

HMS Defender was in internationally recognised waters. It was only 3 miles off the coast of Crimea, but no international body recognises Crimea as Russian territory.

Well, next time, they may not recognize their destroyer sunk, or a base destroyed. That's just the typically British combination of ignorance, hypocrisy, wishful thinking and incompetence. Even Biden-Harris clique can't be stupid enough to support Brits in their attempts to spoil American efforts to avoid WWIII.

 

[Silver Cat]

What I find fascinating in this, is that the Russians are claiming they not only fired shots at her, they also dropped bombs in front of her.

Every year, they are showing themselves to be even more unstable than even the Soviets were. It is almost like they want to provoke another war.

Not all of them, of course, but too many.

 

[Mindful]

HMS Defender was in internationally recognised waters. It was only 3 miles off the coast of Crimea, but no international body recognises Crimea as Russian territory.

Well, next time, they may not recognize their destroyer sunk, or a base destroyed. That's just the typically British combination of ignorance, hypocrisy, wishful thinking and incompetence. Even Biden-Harris clique can't be stupid enough to support Brits in their attempts to spoil American efforts to avoid WWIII.

 

[Ringo]

. That is UK territory, just as the waters around Guam are US territory.

Crimea is Russian territory. Same goes for half of the territory that now belongs to Ukraine. Sooner or later, they will return home, as well as the Crimea. The fascist rulers of Ukraine know this and therefore seek to cultivate feelings of hatred for the russians in order to prolong their thievish power.

 

[ESay]

and for country, that officially calls Russia an enemy and constantly joins the sanctions against Russia, it is better to keep its warships outside of Russia's territory. Or, if the captains of the British navy do not know how to read maps, they should better take care of improving their skills

They definitely can read the maps. And the maps say it is Ukraine's waters.

Therefore their maps are obsolete. Sometimes it is necessary to be realistic.

No worries, they were utterly realistic.

 

[ESay]

They definitely can read the maps. And the maps say it is Ukraine's waters.

And the waters around the Falkland Islands, thousands of miles from England, belong to Argentina?
By the way, who owns Gibraltar? Spain continues to believe that it belongs to her....

Clearly, they can read maps. The provocation was carried out by order from above. Johnson ordered this and said that he would do it in the future. Why this freak wants to provoke a war is an interesting question.

"A BBC journalist published a video from the destroyer Defender"
Is there a BBC journalist on the staff of every warship of Her Majesty, or only those who are sent to arrange provocations?
A very important question, by the way.

Name at least one country which doesn't recognize the Falklands and Gibraltar as Britain ruled territory (maybe only Argentina in the first case). And name at least one country except of Russia which recognizes Crimea to be a Russian part.

Of course, the move of the British ship was prearranged. And coordinated with the US.

 

[ekrem]

That's what you get when you think it is your duty to patrol Black Sea

 

[Ringo]

. And name at least one country except of Russia which recognizes Crimea to be a Russian part.

That's enough

 

[Mushroom]

. That is UK territory, just as the waters around Guam are US territory.

Crimea is Russian territory. Same goes for half of the territory that now belongs to Ukraine. Sooner or later, they will return home, as well as the Crimea. The fascist rulers of Ukraine know this and therefore seek to cultivate feelings of hatred for the russians in order to prolong their thievish power.

I see, Comrade. SO I guess we should then just go ahead and let them take over everything to the border of old East Germany again, right?

Go ahead and gobble up most of Poland and Finland also, as that was once Russian territory.

Yea, the Ukraine stole it, right.

 

[ekrem]

None of our business. If the Brits want to commit suicide - they should do it themselves.
DDG 58 Laboon just left the Black Sea.
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USA has other priorities, after all they were not *** British sailors

 

[CrusaderFrank]

UK denies Moscow fired warning shots at Royal Navy ship off ...​

https://www.theguardian.com › world › jun › russian-sh...



2 hours ago — The UK has rejected claims from Moscow that warning shots were fired at the British warship HMS Defender in the Black Sea on Wednesday

Russia says it chases British destroyer out of Crimea waters with warning shots, bombs

Russia said on Wednesday it had fired warning shots and dropped bombs in the path of a British warship to chase it out of waters Moscow claims in the Black Sea off the coast of the Crimea peninsula.

www.reuters.com

1) British state ´ll always have our support , 2) still did Putin fire at the British warship HMS Defender in the Black Sea? or its just Moscow propaganda.RU ?

Russia says it chases British destroyer out of Crimea waters with warning shots, bombs

Russia said on Wednesday it had fired warning shots and dropped bombs in the path of a British warship to chase it out of waters Moscow claims in the Black Sea off the coast of the Crimea peninsula.

www.reuters.com

I thought Putin said he respected Quid Pro Joe?

 

[Silver Cat]

. That is UK territory, just as the waters around Guam are US territory.

Crimea is Russian territory. Same goes for half of the territory that now belongs to Ukraine. Sooner or later, they will return home, as well as the Crimea. The fascist rulers of Ukraine know this and therefore seek to cultivate feelings of hatred for the russians in order to prolong their thievish power.

I see, Comrade. SO I guess we should then just go ahead and let them take over everything to the border of old East Germany again, right?

Go ahead and gobble up most of Poland and Finland also, as that was once Russian territory.

Yea, the Ukraine stole it, right.

No. I think, that right now China is much more important than even the whole Europe. We can't get Russia on our side (or even turn them East) without allowing them to eliminate treats in Europe (whatever they consider as a treat). And, clearly, the USA should not be distracted from their main goals. China, and Southeast Asia are more important than Ukraine, Poland or even Germany and France.

 

[Silver Cat]

They definitely can read the maps. And the maps say it is Ukraine's waters.

And the waters around the Falkland Islands, thousands of miles from England, belong to Argentina?
By the way, who owns Gibraltar? Spain continues to believe that it belongs to her....

Clearly, they can read maps. The provocation was carried out by order from above. Johnson ordered this and said that he would do it in the future. Why this freak wants to provoke a war is an interesting question.

"A BBC journalist published a video from the destroyer Defender"
Is there a BBC journalist on the staff of every warship of Her Majesty, or only those who are sent to arrange provocations?
A very important question, by the way.

Name at least one country which doesn't recognize the Falklands and Gibraltar as Britain ruled territory (maybe only Argentina in the first case). And name at least one country except of Russia which recognizes Crimea to be a Russian part.

Of course, the move of the British ship was prearranged. And coordinated with the US.

Ha! It was not coordinated even with other ships of CSG21, for example, with HNLMS Evertseen. It was a pure British provocation.

 

[Mushroom]

. That is UK territory, just as the waters around Guam are US territory.

Crimea is Russian territory. Same goes for half of the territory that now belongs to Ukraine. Sooner or later, they will return home, as well as the Crimea. The fascist rulers of Ukraine know this and therefore seek to cultivate feelings of hatred for the russians in order to prolong their thievish power.

I see, Comrade. SO I guess we should then just go ahead and let them take over everything to the border of old East Germany again, right?

Go ahead and gobble up most of Poland and Finland also, as that was once Russian territory.

Yea, the Ukraine stole it, right.

No. I think, that right now China is much more important than even the whole Europe. We can't get Russia on our side (or even turn them East) without allowing them to eliminate treats in Europe (whatever they consider as a treat). And, clearly, the USA should not be distracted from their main goals. China, and Southeast Asia are more important than Ukraine, Poland or even Germany and France.

And where exactly is China expanding? Building up some islands and trying to claim more ocean?

Russia on the other hand is repeating a play right out of the Hitler plan. Taking over chunks of territory, claiming it as being "theirs", and doing it a piece at a time, waiting for the uproar over one such chunk before taking over the other.

That bothers me much more, because they are actually taking over parts of other countries, not just "making land" as China is doing. China kills some coral and displaces some fish. Russia kills people and they have to submit to new masters, or flee with nothing but what they have on their back.

And since you see them as "Fascist", in your mind that seems to forgive anything that is done to them. Once again, your bias and propaganda is noticed. Why not just take over all of Ukraine, then? Is not like they have not done so before and killed millions of people.