Silver Cat
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No. I think, that right now China is much more important than even the whole Europe. We can't get Russia on our side (or even turn them East) without allowing them to eliminate treats in Europe (whatever they consider as a treat). And, clearly, the USA should not be distracted from their main goals. China, and Southeast Asia are more important than Ukraine, Poland or even Germany and France.Crimea is Russian territory. Same goes for half of the territory that now belongs to Ukraine. Sooner or later, they will return home, as well as the Crimea. The fascist rulers of Ukraine know this and therefore seek to cultivate feelings of hatred for the russians in order to prolong their thievish power.. That is UK territory, just as the waters around Guam are US territory.
I see, Comrade. SO I guess we should then just go ahead and let them take over everything to the border of old East Germany again, right?
Go ahead and gobble up most of Poland and Finland also, as that was once Russian territory.
Yea, the Ukraine stole it, right.
And where exactly is China expanding? Building up some islands and trying to claim more ocean?
Hongkong, Macau, some lands in Russia and India. But what is more important, they are raising economically. If we do nothing, in 2025 dollar will cost less then paper. And they make our sanctions against Russia ineffective.
Russia, as an ally of China is almost invulnerable economically.
China, as an ally of Russia is almost invulnerable military.
To brake this combination (and the whole Shanghai Pact) we have to be much more strong, smart, united, disciplined and flexible than we used to be.
So what? It isn't bad by itself.Russia on the other hand is repeating a play right out of the Hitler plan. Taking over chunks of territory, claiming it as being "theirs", and doing it a piece at a time, waiting for the uproar over one such chunk before taking over the other.
Better they, than we. What scenario would you prefer?That bothers me much more, because they are actually taking over parts of other countries, not just "making land" as China is doing. China kills some coral and displaces some fish. Russia kills people and they have to submit to new masters, or flee with nothing but what they have on their back.
1) Russian large-scale invasion in Europe;
2) Collapse of the USA and then - Chinese occupation.
If they want to take over all of Ukraine - let them do so. If we are supporting anti-Russian regimes, discriminating Russians on the "West-controlled" lands, we are marking ourselves as "enemies of all Russians". We just can't say "Russian lives don't matter" and expect them not becoming anti-West. They have pretty traumatic experience of the "Western barbarians" invading their lands every century and they react in their typical manner.And since you see them as "Fascist", in your mind that seems to forgive anything that is done to them. Once again, your bias and propaganda is noticed. Why not just take over all of Ukraine, then? Is not like they have not done so before and killed millions of people.
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