BREAKING: Family of Palestinian toddler burned alive sue Israel

[louie888]

Israel firsters?

YES, THEY EXIST, WAKE UP.

 

[Coyote]

Buildings with combatants on their grounds, or inside, with weapon cache's stored within are no longer civilian structures but are military strongholds welcome to attack.

There were no weapons aor combatants in the residential buildings bombed.

But you agree that, at least in theory, if there were, they are legit military objectives, yes?

How the hell is a Palestinian toddler you people burned alive a legit military objective?

You are sicker than I thought.

That was an act of terrorism, not a military act. The people who did that horrible thing were arrested have faced justice. Now, you can argue that it took a hell of a long time for them to finally take settler terrorism seriously - but they did.

Why are you conflating that with military objectives? That's really dishonest.

 

[louie888]

Buildings with combatants on their grounds, or inside, with weapon cache's stored within are no longer civilian structures but are military strongholds welcome to attack.

There were no weapons aor combatants in the residential buildings bombed.

But you agree that, at least in theory, if there were, they are legit military objectives, yes?

How the hell is a Palestinian toddler you people burned alive a legit military objective?

You are sicker than I thought.

That was an act of terrorism, not a military act. The people who did that horrible thing were arrested have faced justice. Now, you can argue that it took a hell of a long time for them to finally take settler terrorism seriously - but they did.

Why are you conflating that with military objectives? That's really dishonest.

Seems like you are not capable of following a conversation without changing the topic every time you get stumped.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Almost any military operation includes some civilian casualties - that doesn't make them a war crime.

There is the rule of proportionality. How many civilians casualties can be accepted for military gain?

So, can Israel bomb apartment buildings and family homes because they expect a militant inside? It is clear that they are killing women and children. It will be no "accident" of war.

Another problem with Israel's BS is that civilians (Palestine has no military. They are all civilians.) only lose their civilian, i.e. protected person status, when actively engaged in military operations.

Pop sleeping at home with the wife and kids is not actively engaged in military operations.

So, I think the allegations of Israel's war crimes is valid.

 

[Lipush]

Israel firsters?

YES, THEY EXIST, WAKE UP.

"Israel firstirst"- The ones who are not ready to bow down to any Palestinian fart, and believe Israeli Jews have the right to breathe.

 

[Slyhunter]

Almost any military operation includes some civilian casualties - that doesn't make them a war crime.

There is the rule of proportionality. How many civilians casualties can be accepted for military gain?

So, can Israel bomb apartment buildings and family homes because they expect a militant inside? It is clear that they are killing women and children. It will be no "accident" of war.

Another problem with Israel's BS is that civilians (Palestine has no military. They are all civilians.) only lose their civilian, i.e. protected person status, when actively engaged in military operations.

Pop sleeping at home with the wife and kids is not actively engaged in military operations.

So, I think the allegations of Israel's war crimes is valid.

If we made a rule saying 1 rocket launcher wasn't worth more than 5 civilian lives than Hamas would make sure 6 civilians was around every rocket launcher.

 

[Coyote]

Almost any military operation includes some civilian casualties - that doesn't make them a war crime.

There is the rule of proportionality. How many civilians casualties can be accepted for military gain?

Agree with that - and I think Susha mentioned proportionality in one of her posts.

So, can Israel bomb apartment buildings and family homes because they expect a militant inside? It is clear that they are killing women and children. It will be no "accident" of war.

I think it has to looked at at a case by case basis. On the negative side - we have what occurred during "Operation Cast Lead", the use of white phospherous in an densely populated urban area, the inability of civilians to escape for find safety - I think there a lot of problems with that.

On the positive side - Israel has made efforts to really minimize civilian casualties, far more so than many other nations in a similar circumstance. They've gotten very good at precision targetting as well.

Another problem with Israel's BS is that civilians (Palestine has no military. They are all civilians.) only lose their civilian, i.e. protected person status, when actively engaged in military operations.

Pop sleeping at home with the wife and kids is not actively engaged in military operations.

So, I think the allegations of Israel's war crimes is valid.

I think that's messy.

For instance - in Israel, most Israeli's have compulsary military service. Does that mean when they aren't actively engaged in military operations - Pop sleeping at home with the wife and kids - they are civilians? I've heard people here argue that they are still "legitimate" targets.

The way I'm seeing it seems one-sided. Palestinians have no "formal military" but they clearly have an informal one - one where it's "martyrs" are honored and it's widows and families compensated financially. That creates a huge grey area for civilian vs militant. That also allows for the Palestinians to engage in acts of violence against Israeli civilians while effectively tying Israel's hands in it's ability to defend it's civilian population.

 

[Coyote]

Buildings with combatants on their grounds, or inside, with weapon cache's stored within are no longer civilian structures but are military strongholds welcome to attack.

There were no weapons aor combatants in the residential buildings bombed.

But you agree that, at least in theory, if there were, they are legit military objectives, yes?

How the hell is a Palestinian toddler you people burned alive a legit military objective?

You are sicker than I thought.

That was an act of terrorism, not a military act. The people who did that horrible thing were arrested have faced justice. Now, you can argue that it took a hell of a long time for them to finally take settler terrorism seriously - but they did.

Why are you conflating that with military objectives? That's really dishonest.

Seems like you are not capable of following a conversation without changing the topic every time you get stumped.

Well it seems to me that you USE Palestinians as a convenient vehicle for your hatred of Jews - like you used the tragedy in the OP. Any time we try to discuss solutions you revert to something about how Jews aren't Jews, but Europeans etc etc.

 

[louie888]

Well it seems to me that you USE Palestinians as a convenient vehicle for your hatred of Jews

That is either a) because you too are illiterate, or b) that you have never researched theses matters in any amount of depth.

like you used the tragedy in the OP.

Hardly

Any time we try to discuss solutions you revert to something about how Jews aren't Jews, but Europeans etc etc.

To create a solution, one first must understand the problem. A major problem is the nonstop bullshit about "the Jewish people" and their "ancestral homeland."

STOP CONFLATING THE BIBLICAL JEWS FROM A FICTITIOUS BOOK WRITTEN BY JEWS WITH TODAY'S PSYCHOPATHS AND MURDERERS IN PALESTINE WHO IMMIGRATED FROM EUROPE.

The Jewish people (Jews who follow the Torah) are absolutely restricted from stealing land (STEALING ANYTHING), let alone taking the holy land by force., LET ALONE FROM MURDERING G-D'S CHILDREN. This entire concept is THE ANTITHESIS OF JUDAISM.

Their homeland is Poland, Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Turkey, etc..

Beyond that, nobody believes, anywhere outside of israel, that if your family lived on a piece of our earth 1000 years ago, then your great, great, great, great, great, etc., grandchild has the right 1000 years later to steal someones home, let alone murder them, on that land you claimed that your family lived on. And that, my friend, is the essence of what israel's shills post here daily.

 

[rylah]

Well it seems to me that you USE Palestinians as a convenient vehicle for your hatred of Jews

That is either a) because you too are illiterate, or b) that you have never researched theses matters in any amount of depth.

like you used the tragedy in the OP.

Hardly

Any time we try to discuss solutions you revert to something about how Jews aren't Jews, but Europeans etc etc.

To create a solution, one first must understand the problem. A major problem is the nonstop bullshit about "the Jewish people" and their "ancestral homeland."

STOP CONFLATING THE BIBLICAL JEWS FROM A FICTITIOUS BOOK WRITTEN BY JEWS WITH TODAY'S PSYCHOPATHS AND MURDERERS IN PALESTINE WHO IMMIGRATED FROM EUROPE.

The Jewish people (Jews who follow the Torah) are absolutely restricted from stealing land (STEALING ANYTHING), let alone taking the holy land by force., LET ALONE FROM MURDERING G-D'S CHILDREN. This entire concept is THE ANTITHESIS OF JUDAISM.

Their homeland is Poland, Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Turkey, etc..

Beyond that, nobody believes, anywhere outside of israel, that if your family lived on a piece of our earth 1000 years ago, then your great, great, great, great, great, etc., grandchild has the right 1000 years later to steal someones home, let alone murder them, on that land you claimed that your family lived on. And that, my friend, is the essence of what israel's shills post here daily.

The anti-thesis of Judaism is exactly what You've just posted.
Basically it's the only thing You post anywhere

 

[P F Tinmore]

Buildings with combatants on their grounds, or inside, with weapon cache's stored within are no longer civilian structures but are military strongholds welcome to attack.

There were no weapons aor combatants in the residential buildings bombed.

But you agree that, at least in theory, if there were, they are legit military objectives, yes?

Not really. It would be an aggression against a dependent people.

There is something to be said for that - for instance, ISIS has forced civilians into areas to be used as human sheilds...how would you rate that in an attack?

Hamas never does that. Israel attacks people where they live and work Then calls them human shield. Of course that is a crock of crap.

 

[Shusha]

Hamas never does that. Israel attacks people where they live and work Then calls them human shield. Of course that is a crock of crap.

Hamas places military objectives where people live and work.

 

[P F Tinmore]

On the positive side - Israel has made efforts to really minimize civilian casualties, far more so than many other nations in a similar circumstance. They've gotten very good at precision targetting as well.

OK, but the numbers don't add up. Start @ 11:40 - 13:45



With that in mind, why were there only a few hundred militants killed? Civilians and civilian infrastructure seems to be the major targets. I stand by my claim of Israel's war crimes.

 

[Hollie]

Buildings with combatants on their grounds, or inside, with weapon cache's stored within are no longer civilian structures but are military strongholds welcome to attack.

There were no weapons aor combatants in the residential buildings bombed.

But you agree that, at least in theory, if there were, they are legit military objectives, yes?

Not really. It would be an aggression against a dependent people.

There is something to be said for that - for instance, ISIS has forced civilians into areas to be used as human sheilds...how would you rate that in an attack?

Hamas never does that. Israel attacks people where they live and work Then calls them human shield. Of course that is a crock of crap.

Your Islamic terrorist heroes wage war from where people live and work. Obviously you believe Islamic terrorists deserve an entitlement to wage war without consequence.

Wrong.

There's good news in all of this: you and those like you have lots of dead Islamo's to parade around.

 

[Hollie]

On the positive side - Israel has made efforts to really minimize civilian casualties, far more so than many other nations in a similar circumstance. They've gotten very good at precision targetting as well.

OK, but the numbers don't add up. Start @ 11:40 - 13:45



With that in mind, why were there only a few hundred militants killed? Civilians and civilian infrastructure seems to be the major targets. I stand by my claim of Israel's war crimes.

Stand by your specious claim. The Tinmore Vortex™ will suck it up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There were no weapons aor combatants in the residential buildings bombed.

But you agree that, at least in theory, if there were, they are legit military objectives, yes?

Not really. It would be an aggression against a dependent people.

There is something to be said for that - for instance, ISIS has forced civilians into areas to be used as human sheilds...how would you rate that in an attack?

Hamas never does that. Israel attacks people where they live and work Then calls them human shield. Of course that is a crock of crap.

Your Islamic terrorist heroes wage war from where people live and work. Obviously you believe Islamic terrorists deserve an entitlement to wage war without consequence.

Wrong.

There's good news in all of this: you and those like you have lots of dead Islamo's to parade around.

Israel does target civilians and civilian infrastructure.

War crimes.

 

[Hollie]

But you agree that, at least in theory, if there were, they are legit military objectives, yes?

Not really. It would be an aggression against a dependent people.

There is something to be said for that - for instance, ISIS has forced civilians into areas to be used as human sheilds...how would you rate that in an attack?

Hamas never does that. Israel attacks people where they live and work Then calls them human shield. Of course that is a crock of crap.

Your Islamic terrorist heroes wage war from where people live and work. Obviously you believe Islamic terrorists deserve an entitlement to wage war without consequence.

Wrong.

There's good news in all of this: you and those like you have lots of dead Islamo's to parade around.

Israel does target civilians and civilian infrastructure.

War crimes.

Actually, no. Islamic terrorists and Islamic terrorist infrastructure is targeted.

Your Islamic terrorist heroes wage war in a manner consistent with other cowardly Islamic terrorist franchises, explicitly and deliberately putting civilians in the crossfire.

The Tinmore Vortex™, a thought crime.

 

[Coyote]

Buildings with combatants on their grounds, or inside, with weapon cache's stored within are no longer civilian structures but are military strongholds welcome to attack.

There were no weapons aor combatants in the residential buildings bombed.

But you agree that, at least in theory, if there were, they are legit military objectives, yes?

Not really. It would be an aggression against a dependent people.

There is something to be said for that - for instance, ISIS has forced civilians into areas to be used as human sheilds...how would you rate that in an attack?

Hamas never does that. Israel attacks people where they live and work Then calls them human shield. Of course that is a crock of crap.

I think it's a mixture of "crap" and "fact". Hamas does embed itself in civilian populations. The "human sheild" claim is overused.

 

[Coyote]

On the positive side - Israel has made efforts to really minimize civilian casualties, far more so than many other nations in a similar circumstance. They've gotten very good at precision targetting as well.

OK, but the numbers don't add up. Start @ 11:40 - 13:45



With that in mind, why were there only a few hundred militants killed? Civilians and civilian infrastructure seems to be the major targets. I stand by my claim of Israel's war crimes.

In what particular conflicts though? AND - how does that compare to other similar conflicts?

 

[montelatici]

There are no similar conflicts today. Israel controls and rules over an occupied territory and population and bombs the crap out of the territory it controls as long as the population is non-Jewish. The civilian to combatant ratio casualties of the Israelis is naturally the worst, as they have complete control of the territory and the people they are killing.

Sudan's previous action in Darfur is perhaps similar.