BREAKING: Biden administration reverses Trump policy, sends troops to Somalia

[pknopp]

When was ISIS on our side? The US wants the Bab Al Mandab open to shipping.

ISIS is largely a term we simply made up. We were arming them in the fight to depose Assad.

 

[surada]

ISIS is largely a term we simply made up. We were arming them in the fight to depose Assad.

Nope. We didn't arm ISIS. ISIS came out of Camp Bucca prison in Iraq in 2003-2004.

 

[surada]

The Insurgency of ISIS in Syria

The Islamic State (ISIS) has morphed into a non-spatial insurgency capable of conquering territorial boundaries.

carnegieendowment.org

 

[pknopp]

Nope. We didn't arm ISIS. ISIS came out of Camp Bucca prison in Iraq in 2003-2004.

Which means little as far as what I said.

The Insurgency of ISIS in Syria

In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA

Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and…

www.latimes.com

 

[struth]

Sadly many do not understand any difference. Whether we liked it or not, the Taliban were the ruling party in Afghanistan. Just because we do not like a countries leadership doesn't make them "terrorists" like so many labelled them.

When we "negotiate" with them, they are the our partners in negotiation. When they actually take back over, they are once again, terrorists.

Even ISIS, when we want them on our side we label them "freedom fighters", when they are not, then all of a sudden they become the "terrorists".

Is it any wonder the labels get all confusing?

Biden was absolutely right to pull out of Afghanistan. He was 100% wrong to put troops in Somalia.

No, they aren't terrorist because we don't like them...they are terrorist because they back, and support terrorist operations, and groups...such as AQ. When we negotiate with them, or did, it was to try and end the continued conflict. When they take over the country again, by force, and release ISIS terrorist from prisons, they are once again terrorist.

I am not sure whoever labeled ISIS "freedom fighters" = never heard that.

 

[surada]

No, they aren't terrorist because we don't like them...they are terrorist because they back, and support terrorist operations, and groups...such as AQ. When we negotiate with them, or did, it was to try and end the continued conflict. When they take over the country again, by force, and release ISIS terrorist from prisons, they are once again terrorist.

I am not sure whoever labeled ISIS "freedom fighters" = never heard that.

ISIS shows up anytime there is trouble.

 

[pknopp]

No, they aren't terrorist because we don't like them...they are terrorist because they back, and support terrorist operations, and groups...such as AQ.

They never backed them. They just couldn't do much about them. Much like how we really can't. But besides, we backed and funded AQ when it suited our purposes.

When we negotiate with them, or did, it was to try and end the continued conflict. When they take over the country again, by force, and release ISIS terrorist from prisons, they are once again terrorist.

I am not sure whoever labeled ISIS "freedom fighters" = never heard that.

That's what we always call "terrorists" when we back them. But we all know this but some feel this incredible need to provide cover for our massive, destructive hypocrisy around the world.

 

[struth]

They never backed them. They just couldn't do much about them. Much like how we really can't. But besides, we backed and funded AQ when it suited our purposes.



That's what we always call "terrorists" when we back them. But we all know this but some feel this incredible need to provide cover for our massive, destructive hypocrisy around the world.

1) of course they backed them, and aided and abetted them...and refused to help us after 9/11 to get them.
2) We never backed ISIS

 

[pknopp]

1) of course they backed them, and aided and abetted them...and refused to help us after 9/11 to get them.
2) We never backed ISIS

We did. We didn't call them that though. As I said, we called them the Freedom Fighters. That's what we do.

 

[struth]

We did. We didn't call them that though. As I said, we called them the Freedom Fighters. That's what we do.

when did we back ISIS and call them “freedom fighters?”

 

[pknopp]

when did we back ISIS and call them “freedom fighters?”

Read the links already provided.

 

[daveman]

The US wants the Bab Al Mandab open to shipping.

"NO WAR FOR OIL".

You bozos used to screech that. Now, you WANT a war for oil.

Because a Democrat's doing it.

Leftists have no principle so deeply held you won't throw it on the ground next to a trash can when you're told to.

 

[surada]

"NO WAR FOR OIL".

You bozos used to screech that. Now, you WANT a war for oil.

Because a Democrat's doing it.

Leftists have no principle so deeply held you won't throw it on the ground next to a trash can when you're told to.

Closing access to the Red Sea is about more than oil.

 

[daveman]

Closing access to the Red Sea is about more than oil.

Horseshit.

The Bab el-Mandeb Strait is a strategic route for oil and natural gas shipments​

The Bab el-Mandeb Strait is a sea route chokepoint between the Horn of Africa and the Middle East, connecting the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea. Most exports of petroleum and natural gas from the Persian Gulf that transit the Suez Canal or the SUMED Pipeline pass through both the Bab el-Mandeb and the Strait of Hormuz.

Chokepoints are narrow channels along widely used global sea routes that are critical to global energy security. The Bab el-Mandeb Strait is 18 miles wide at its narrowest point, limiting tanker traffic to two 2-mile-wide channels for inbound and outbound shipments.

Closure of the Bab el-Mandeb Strait could keep tankers originating in the Persian Gulf from transiting the Suez Canal or reaching the SUMED Pipeline, forcing them to divert around the southern tip of Africa, which would increase transit time and shipping costs.

In 2018, an estimated 6.2 million barrels per day (b/d) of crude oil, condensate, and refined petroleum products flowed through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait toward Europe, the United States, and Asia, an increase from 5.1 million b/d in 2014. Total petroleum flows through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait accounted for about 9% of total seaborne-traded petroleum (crude oil and refined petroleum products) in 2017. About 3.6 million b/d moved north toward Europe; another 2.6 million b/d flowed in the opposite direction mainly to Asian markets such as Singapore, China, and India.

 

[surada]

Horseshit.

The Bab el-Mandeb Strait is a strategic route for oil and natural gas shipments​

The Bab el-Mandeb Strait is a sea route chokepoint between the Horn of Africa and the Middle East, connecting the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea. Most exports of petroleum and natural gas from the Persian Gulf that transit the Suez Canal or the SUMED Pipeline pass through both the Bab el-Mandeb and the Strait of Hormuz.

Chokepoints are narrow channels along widely used global sea routes that are critical to global energy security. The Bab el-Mandeb Strait is 18 miles wide at its narrowest point, limiting tanker traffic to two 2-mile-wide channels for inbound and outbound shipments.

Closure of the Bab el-Mandeb Strait could keep tankers originating in the Persian Gulf from transiting the Suez Canal or reaching the SUMED Pipeline, forcing them to divert around the southern tip of Africa, which would increase transit time and shipping costs.

In 2018, an estimated 6.2 million barrels per day (b/d) of crude oil, condensate, and refined petroleum products flowed through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait toward Europe, the United States, and Asia, an increase from 5.1 million b/d in 2014. Total petroleum flows through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait accounted for about 9% of total seaborne-traded petroleum (crude oil and refined petroleum products) in 2017. About 3.6 million b/d moved north toward Europe; another 2.6 million b/d flowed in the opposite direction mainly to Asian markets such as Singapore, China, and India.

All shipping for East Africa and Western Arabia go through the Red Sea... Not just oil.

 

[daveman]

All shipping for East Africa and Western Arabia go through the Red Sea... Not just oil.

Face it...you support a war for oil because you were told to. And you're very obedient.