Boehner and Ryan step out of the crazy house.

[Sallow]

he's prolly just doing Washington, kabuki theater to allay the minds of his owners (Big Biz/Wall St) that he won't allow Teapartiers to hold the econ hostage this time at least.

I kind of think he was seriously mad.

I think so, also. Another bit of theater like the government shutdown, and the House goes Democratic in the 2014 elections.

He's got a legacy to worry about.

Look for immigration reform early next year. And I think the minimum wage may go up too.

They want Hispanics back.

 

[JoeB131]

The thing is, Boehner knows that he's got a good thing going with ACA difficulties, and the last thing he needs is the GOP reminding everyone they are douchebags by shutting down the government again.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The gop needs to become a party of a first world nation once again. They need to make fucking sense like pro-education, infrastructure, r@d and science.

They're barking up the wrong tree until they do.

 

[Sallow]

The thing is, Boehner knows that he's got a good thing going with ACA difficulties, and the last thing he needs is the GOP reminding everyone they are douchebags by shutting down the government again.

That ship has basically sailed.

You watch, there's a good chance that they'll be walking back the Cruz bull and trying to own the law. I'm thinking it will start with some Republican saying "Well it was our idea in the first place.." and then chime in "We are glad that Obama saw things our way.."

 

[iamwhatiseem]

yeah...let's all celebrate a budget that no one thinks is any good, in fact everyone knows it is a bad bill.
But as long as everyone agrees it is bad - and passes it in bi-partisan fashion - it's all good.
Right?
So we are now conditioned to accept that doing a bad job is a good thing??
In essence this bill is an agreement by both parties to officially do nothing about MAJOR economic issues, sign it and we are all heroes.
Man you guys are sheep.

 

[mudwhistle]

Face it folks........the fact that Obama is in the WhiteHouse assured that bad deals will have to be made to keep the government afloat.

 

[Sallow]

yeah...let's all celebrate a budget that no one thinks is any good, in fact everyone knows it is a bad bill.
But as long as everyone agrees it is bad - and passes it in bi-partisan fashion - it's all good.
Right?
So we are now conditioned to accept that doing a bad job is a good thing??
In essence this bill is an agreement by both parties to officially do nothing about MAJOR economic issues, sign it and we are all heroes.
Man you guys are sheep.

Well no.

You folks voted in a bunch of radicals that think that the Federal government should be dismantled and we should devolve into Balkanized states that have their own little Theocratic Lords that squelch the vote and harden the monied caste.

Our "MAJOR" economic issues are self inflicted. Corporate personhood has allowed these corporate citizens to not pay taxes, not raise wages, layoff Americans in favor of hiring low paid labor in other countries and craft legislation favorable to maintaining their wealth. And no, none of you folks want to deal with that at all..quite the contrary..you want to throw these guys military contracts.

People are SLOWLY waking up to this.

 

[JoeB131]

yeah...let's all celebrate a budget that no one thinks is any good, in fact everyone knows it is a bad bill.
But as long as everyone agrees it is bad - and passes it in bi-partisan fashion - it's all good.
Right?
So we are now conditioned to accept that doing a bad job is a good thing??
In essence this bill is an agreement by both parties to officially do nothing about MAJOR economic issues, sign it and we are all heroes.
Man you guys are sheep.

That they can get something passed without bringing us to the brink of default is progress.

Sadly.

here's the real problem. You aren't going to get to a balanced budget without both large cuts in spending AND huge increases in taxes.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

yeah...let's all celebrate a budget that no one thinks is any good, in fact everyone knows it is a bad bill.
But as long as everyone agrees it is bad - and passes it in bi-partisan fashion - it's all good.
Right?
So we are now conditioned to accept that doing a bad job is a good thing??
In essence this bill is an agreement by both parties to officially do nothing about MAJOR economic issues, sign it and we are all heroes.
Man you guys are sheep.

Well no.

You folks voted in a bunch of radicals that think that the Federal government should be dismantled and we should devolve into Balkanized states that have their own little Theocratic Lords that squelch the vote and harden the monied caste.

Our "MAJOR" economic issues are self inflicted. Corporate personhood has allowed these corporate citizens to not pay taxes, not raise wages, layoff Americans in favor of hiring low paid labor in other countries and craft legislation favorable to maintaining their wealth. And no, none of you folks want to deal with that at all..quite the contrary..you want to throw these guys military contracts.

People are SLOWLY waking up to this.

Blah Blah Blah...partisan blather...blah blah
Answer the question - IS THIS EVEN A DECENT BILL???
You won't answer this because either you are so blind by partisanship that you have no idea what it is specifically - or you just want to celebrate it because you think your side looks better than the other by it passing.

 

[zeke]

Good for him, a rare drop of sanity from boner going after the Koch's and other right wing puppetmasters.

Black Label, from what I read here in Ohio, it is not "sanity" that has hit John. It is fear for his job that has him acting more reasonable. John love his job. And will do whatever and say whatever he has to. And people like the Koch's want John in his position. They will cut him some slack, knowing he doesn't really mean what he says.

Chances are he will face a primary challenge. But he does have a highly rigged district and as long as he acts reasonable for the next 9 months, he will survive.

Then we will be back to the ole John wiith his Teabagger friends.

 

[mudwhistle]

yeah...let's all celebrate a budget that no one thinks is any good, in fact everyone knows it is a bad bill.
But as long as everyone agrees it is bad - and passes it in bi-partisan fashion - it's all good.
Right?
So we are now conditioned to accept that doing a bad job is a good thing??
In essence this bill is an agreement by both parties to officially do nothing about MAJOR economic issues, sign it and we are all heroes.
Man you guys are sheep.

That they can get something passed without bringing us to the brink of default is progress.

Sadly.

here's the real problem. You aren't going to get to a balanced budget without both large cuts in spending AND huge increases in taxes.

We've already had huge tax increases......$600 billion last year. When is the spending cuts going to kick in?

That's always later. Much later, if ever.

The Bush tax cuts amounted to over $400 billion and the Dems said they needed that back. Instead they get $600 billion and they keep asking for more.

This is over the Sequester. The Sequester was the only thing decreasing the Defict. The debt was still increasing but the Deficit was decreasing.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Here is what we do
Get out of the middle east besides a few drones
Close all the bases
Dock 2 aircraft carrier battle groups
remove 50 troops from military to reserves
---Don't touch the r@d budget. Hell increase darpa funding.----

Invest in our children with education, 20-30 billion for infrastructure and give our children a chance with a well funding field of science. First in the world.

No more war...

and lastly raise taxes on the fat cats 5%.

 

[zeke]

Yes sir that Paul Ryan fellow is sure serious about that debt. Why, he is so serious that he proposed spending increases and gave his assurances that the debt will go down.......10 years from now.

LMFAO.

When you rethugs on here start with that bullshit about how much the Repubs in Congress want to cut the spending and the deficit, stfu. No one wants to her your bullshit and fantasies about cutting spending.

It is just like the Dems on here say. You rethugs are all mouth about how you want these cuts and reductions. Right up till you can start spending again. Then it becomes the ole story; the deficit will go down 10 years from now.

Yea right. Sure it will.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You can so easily define the sheep by moments like these.
No one should be celebrating anything. Why the hell be satisfied that the two sides agreed to do nothing?
As mudwhistle alluded to - OBVIOUSLY a deal was made.

1) Republicans - you give up spending cuts and just let ACA ride...you get to save face and no tax increases.
2) Democrats - you give up tax increases for the ability to keep spending money like there is no tomorrow.
Deal?...deal.
Yay! we all win!!!!

 

[Sallow]

yeah...let's all celebrate a budget that no one thinks is any good, in fact everyone knows it is a bad bill.
But as long as everyone agrees it is bad - and passes it in bi-partisan fashion - it's all good.
Right?
So we are now conditioned to accept that doing a bad job is a good thing??
In essence this bill is an agreement by both parties to officially do nothing about MAJOR economic issues, sign it and we are all heroes.
Man you guys are sheep.

Well no.

You folks voted in a bunch of radicals that think that the Federal government should be dismantled and we should devolve into Balkanized states that have their own little Theocratic Lords that squelch the vote and harden the monied caste.

Our "MAJOR" economic issues are self inflicted. Corporate personhood has allowed these corporate citizens to not pay taxes, not raise wages, layoff Americans in favor of hiring low paid labor in other countries and craft legislation favorable to maintaining their wealth. And no, none of you folks want to deal with that at all..quite the contrary..you want to throw these guys military contracts.

People are SLOWLY waking up to this.

Blah Blah Blah...partisan blather...blah blah
Answer the question - IS THIS EVEN A DECENT BILL???
You won't answer this because either you are so blind by partisanship that you have no idea what it is specifically - or you just want to celebrate it because you think your side looks better than the other by it passing.

You can go "blah blah blah" all you want and it still doesn't change the facts I posted.

Why the fuck do we need some 7% of the population owning 1/2 the wealth in this country?

Is that a "DECENT" thing?

It's gotten SO bad that even the Pope is talking about it.

Is this a "DECENT" bill? Well it's better then what's been going on..that's for sure.

 

[Sallow]

yeah...let's all celebrate a budget that no one thinks is any good, in fact everyone knows it is a bad bill.
But as long as everyone agrees it is bad - and passes it in bi-partisan fashion - it's all good.
Right?
So we are now conditioned to accept that doing a bad job is a good thing??
In essence this bill is an agreement by both parties to officially do nothing about MAJOR economic issues, sign it and we are all heroes.
Man you guys are sheep.

That they can get something passed without bringing us to the brink of default is progress.

Sadly.

here's the real problem. You aren't going to get to a balanced budget without both large cuts in spending AND huge increases in taxes.

We've already had huge tax increases......$600 billion last year. When is the spending cuts going to kick in?

That's always later. Much later, if ever.

The Bush tax cuts amounted to over $400 billion and the Dems said they needed that back. Instead they get $600 billion and they keep asking for more.

This is over the Sequester. The Sequester was the only thing decreasing the Defict. The debt was still increasing but the Deficit was decreasing.

For one thing, no taxes were increased, a temporary tax cut was allowed to sunset.

And had it not, and had we not eliminated paygo?

About now we'd be looking at much smaller debt. And by smaller? I mean ALOT smaller.

But thanks to you folks? The pooch got screwed.

 

[deltex1]

Well for a while anyways..

How Outside Conservative Groups Pushed John Boehner Over The Edge

After several right-wing outside groups slammed the bipartisan budget deal negotiated by House Budget Chair Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Senate Budget Chair Patty Murray (D-WA) — in some cases before the deal was even announced — Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) hit his breaking point. “When you criticize something and you have no idea what you’re criticizing, you’ve lost your credibility,” he told reporters Thursday, noting that it “comes to a point where some people step over a line.” But Boehner’s frustration has no doubt been building up over this three years as Speaker, as groups like Heritage Action, FreedomWorks, and the Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF) have stymied his attempts to pass even conservative-friendly legislation.
How Outside Conservative Groups Pushed John Boehner Over The Edge | ThinkProgress

Tipping point?

We'll have to see.

its easy to compromise when the sacrifice is minimal.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Well no.

You folks voted in a bunch of radicals that think that the Federal government should be dismantled and we should devolve into Balkanized states that have their own little Theocratic Lords that squelch the vote and harden the monied caste.

Our "MAJOR" economic issues are self inflicted. Corporate personhood has allowed these corporate citizens to not pay taxes, not raise wages, layoff Americans in favor of hiring low paid labor in other countries and craft legislation favorable to maintaining their wealth. And no, none of you folks want to deal with that at all..quite the contrary..you want to throw these guys military contracts.

People are SLOWLY waking up to this.

Blah Blah Blah...partisan blather...blah blah
Answer the question - IS THIS EVEN A DECENT BILL???
You won't answer this because either you are so blind by partisanship that you have no idea what it is specifically - or you just want to celebrate it because you think your side looks better than the other by it passing.

You can go "blah blah blah" all you want and it still doesn't change the facts I posted.

Why the fuck do we need some 7% of the population owning 1/2 the wealth in this country?

Is that a "DECENT" thing?

It's gotten SO bad that even the Pope is talking about it.

Is this a "DECENT" bill? Well it's better then what's been going on..that's for sure.

Why the fuck do we need the top 7% seeing a RECORD 28% earnings increase in the past few years - while the rest of us received -5%????
Why the fuck are we still throwing out $85 bn a month in tax revenue to prop up the system that keeps these folks raking it in and hurting us?
But you see - to answer these questions realistically requires you to step away from "it is all their fault" mantra and realize your "side" is equally corrupt and just paying lip service to all of us while continuing the oligarchical governance while padding their pockets.
Fuck it Sallow. You are one of the lost sheep. You are exactly the kind of person that keeps any hope of ACTUAL change from happening by consistently towing the party line like a good little soldier.
They laugh at you.

 

[Darkwind]

Blah Blah Blah...partisan blather...blah blah
Answer the question - IS THIS EVEN A DECENT BILL???
You won't answer this because either you are so blind by partisanship that you have no idea what it is specifically - or you just want to celebrate it because you think your side looks better than the other by it passing.

You can go "blah blah blah" all you want and it still doesn't change the facts I posted.

Why the fuck do we need some 7% of the population owning 1/2 the wealth in this country?

Is that a "DECENT" thing?

It's gotten SO bad that even the Pope is talking about it.

Is this a "DECENT" bill? Well it's better then what's been going on..that's for sure.

Why the fuck do we need the top 7% seeing a RECORD 28% earnings increase in the past few years - while the rest of us received -5%????
Why the fuck are we still throwing out $85 bn a month in tax revenue to prop up the system that keeps these folks raking it in and hurting us?
But you see - to answer these questions realistically requires you to step away from "it is all their fault" mantra and realize your "side" is equally corrupt and just paying lip service to all of us while continuing the oligarchical governance while padding their pockets.
Fuck it Sallow. You are one of the lost sheep. You are exactly the kind of person that keeps any hope of ACTUAL change from happening by consistently towing the party line like a good little soldier.
They laugh at you.

Because they are better than you are.

 

[hazlnut]

Well for a while anyways..

How Outside Conservative Groups Pushed John Boehner Over The Edge

After several right-wing outside groups slammed the bipartisan budget deal negotiated by House Budget Chair Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Senate Budget Chair Patty Murray (D-WA) — in some cases before the deal was even announced — Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) hit his breaking point. “When you criticize something and you have no idea what you’re criticizing, you’ve lost your credibility,” he told reporters Thursday, noting that it “comes to a point where some people step over a line.” But Boehner’s frustration has no doubt been building up over this three years as Speaker, as groups like Heritage Action, FreedomWorks, and the Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF) have stymied his attempts to pass even conservative-friendly legislation.
How Outside Conservative Groups Pushed John Boehner Over The Edge | ThinkProgress

Tipping point?

We'll have to see.

I'm not sure who are the bigger cowards, the moderate GOPs in Congress or the Dems?

Both are afraid to stand up to the fringe, call them out, and flush them like a turd.

The GOP is afraid that without their beloved/hated base, they can't win elections -- in other words, they don't trust moderates and independents to love them.

Dems are just afraid of their own shadow and old people.