Bob Schieffer just before SOTU

[Amelia]

The subject of Obama's executive actions was broached and Schieffer said that Obama has used the executive power sparingly up until now, much less than his recent predecessors.

I just about choked. Walked out of the room. CBS lost a viewer tonight. What a joke.

I'm so disgusted with and exhausted by Obama that I almost didn't tune in for the SOTU tonight, but I decided to go ahead and listen and then I was greeted with that whopper from Schieffer.

Give me a break!

 

[AquaAthena]

The subject of Obama's executive actions was broached and Schieffer said that Obama has used the executive power sparingly up until now, much less than his recent predecessors.

I just about choked. Walked out of the room. CBS lost a viewer tonight. What a joke.

I'm so disgusted with and exhausted by Obama that I almost didn't tune in for the SOTU tonight, but I decided to go ahead and listen and then I was greeted with that whopper from Schieffer.

Give me a break!

Unfortunately, I think what he said was true. However O might be being compared to presidents of 8 years, v. 5. And also Obama has just been ignoring the Constitution and the Congress, so effectively, he HAS been using executive fiat to get his way, often, as opposed to persuasion with opposing politicians. He knows not how to negotiate, and wouldn't do it if he could. It is his way or the pen and phone way, if he can get away with that....

 

[JakeStarkey]

1/15/2013 at 3:14 PM President Obama Has Issued Fewer Executive Orders Than Any President in Over 100 Years Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

That was a year ago.

Barack Obama

Barack Obama issued 166 executive orders between 2009 and 2013. https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders
2013 EO 13635 - EO 13655 21
2012 EO 13597 - EO 13634 38
2011 EO 13563 - EO 13596 33
2010 EO 13526 - EO 13562 35
2009 EO 13489 - EO 15323 39

George W. Bush

George W. Bush issued 287 executive orders between 2001 and 2009.
2009 EO 13484 - EO 13488 5
2008 EO 13454 - EO 13483 29
2007 EO 13421 - EO 13453 32
2006 EO 13395 - EO 13420 25
2005 EO 13368 - EO 13394 27
2004 EO 13322 - EO 13367 46
2003 EO 13282 - EO 13321 40
2002 EO 13249 - EO 13281 32
2001 EO 13198 - EO 13248 51

 

[Jroc]

1/15/2013 at 3:14 PM President Obama Has Issued Fewer Executive Orders Than Any President in Over 100 Years Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

That was a year ago.

Barack Obama

Barack Obama issued 166 executive orders between 2009 and 2013. https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders
2013 EO 13635 - EO 13655 21
2012 EO 13597 - EO 13634 38
2011 EO 13563 - EO 13596 33
2010 EO 13526 - EO 13562 35
2009 EO 13489 - EO 15323 39

George W. Bush

George W. Bush issued 287 executive orders between 2001 and 2009.
2009 EO 13484 - EO 13488 5
2008 EO 13454 - EO 13483 29
2007 EO 13421 - EO 13453 32
2006 EO 13395 - EO 13420 25
2005 EO 13368 - EO 13394 27
2004 EO 13322 - EO 13367 46
2003 EO 13282 - EO 13321 40
2002 EO 13249 - EO 13281 32
2001 EO 13198 - EO 13248 51

Only idiots put up numbers with no context ....Congratulations Jake

 

[JakeStarkey]

1/15/2013 at 3:14 PM President Obama Has Issued Fewer Executive Orders Than Any President in Over 100 Years Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

That was a year ago.

Barack Obama

Barack Obama issued 166 executive orders between 2009 and 2013. https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders
2013 EO 13635 - EO 13655 21
2012 EO 13597 - EO 13634 38
2011 EO 13563 - EO 13596 33
2010 EO 13526 - EO 13562 35
2009 EO 13489 - EO 15323 39

George W. Bush

George W. Bush issued 287 executive orders between 2001 and 2009.
2009 EO 13484 - EO 13488 5
2008 EO 13454 - EO 13483 29
2007 EO 13421 - EO 13453 32
2006 EO 13395 - EO 13420 25
2005 EO 13368 - EO 13394 27
2004 EO 13322 - EO 13367 46
2003 EO 13282 - EO 13321 40
2002 EO 13249 - EO 13281 32
2001 EO 13198 - EO 13248 51

Only idiots put up numbers with no context ....Congratulations Jake

You are simple, eh.

The context was number nothing else.

 

[Jroc]

1/15/2013 at 3:14 PM President Obama Has Issued Fewer Executive Orders Than Any President in Over 100 Years Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

That was a year ago.

Barack Obama

Barack Obama issued 166 executive orders between 2009 and 2013. https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders
2013 EO 13635 - EO 13655 21
2012 EO 13597 - EO 13634 38
2011 EO 13563 - EO 13596 33
2010 EO 13526 - EO 13562 35
2009 EO 13489 - EO 15323 39

George W. Bush

George W. Bush issued 287 executive orders between 2001 and 2009.
2009 EO 13484 - EO 13488 5
2008 EO 13454 - EO 13483 29
2007 EO 13421 - EO 13453 32
2006 EO 13395 - EO 13420 25
2005 EO 13368 - EO 13394 27
2004 EO 13322 - EO 13367 46
2003 EO 13282 - EO 13321 40
2002 EO 13249 - EO 13281 32
2001 EO 13198 - EO 13248 51

Only idiots put up numbers with no context ....Congratulations Jake

You are simple, eh.

The context was number nothing else.

Your first impulse is to defend Obama.

 

[MarcATL]

The subject of Obama's executive actions was broached and Schieffer said that Obama has used the executive power sparingly up until now, much less than his recent predecessors.

I just about choked. Walked out of the room. CBS lost a viewer tonight. What a joke.

I'm so disgusted with and exhausted by Obama that I almost didn't tune in for the SOTU tonight, but I decided to go ahead and listen and then I was greeted with that whopper from Schieffer.

Give me a break!

Then you should have no problem finding and posting a link or two to back up that incredible claim.

Please do.

 

[Amelia]

The subject of Obama's executive actions was broached and Schieffer said that Obama has used the executive power sparingly up until now, much less than his recent predecessors.

I just about choked. Walked out of the room. CBS lost a viewer tonight. What a joke.

I'm so disgusted with and exhausted by Obama that I almost didn't tune in for the SOTU tonight, but I decided to go ahead and listen and then I was greeted with that whopper from Schieffer.

Give me a break!

Unfortunately, I think what he said was true. However O might be being compared to presidents of 8 years, v. 5. And also Obama has just been ignoring the Constitution and the Congress, so effectively, he HAS been using executive fiat to get his way, often, as opposed to persuasion with opposing politicians. He knows not how to negotiate, and wouldn't do it if he could. It is his way or the pen and phone way, if he can get away with that....

Whatever the exact number of executive orders he has written, "sparingly" was a whopper when used to describe Obama's efforts to circumvent the Congress and the checks and balances which protect us from the kind of abuse which Senator Obama and all the little Obama fluffers and members of the media would have howled about if it were a Republican president doing what Obama has done and what he is threatening to escalate.

 

[william the wie]

The SOTU is always crap no matter who is giving it. as Jake pointed out Obama is on track to make W look like a school boy because many of his stunts have not been by executive order.

 

[Amelia]

The SOTU is always crap no matter who is giving it. as Jake pointed out Obama is on track to make W look like a school boy because many of his stunts have not been by executive order.

In sheer numbers of executive orders -- by the figures Jake so thoughtfully provided -- Obama is on track to have approximately the same number as Bush by the end of his term. Obama is just over 6/10 of the way through his tenure and has just under 6/10 as many executive orders as Bush.

And Obama has done things like declaring that the Senate was in recess when the Senate said it wasn't.

"Sparingly" is simply a lie. And Senator Obama would have laughed at anyone who suggested that as president he would do what he has done.

But with message shapers like Bob Schieffer out there to massage the story, Obama still thinks he can get away with the ongoing betrayal of democratic principles and his own supposed principles.


Silver lining: Probably not that many people, relatively speaking, were listening to Schieffer shill for Obama.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The subject of Obama's executive actions was broached and Schieffer said that Obama has used the executive power sparingly up until now, much less than his recent predecessors.

I just about choked. Walked out of the room. CBS lost a viewer tonight. What a joke.

I'm so disgusted with and exhausted by Obama that I almost didn't tune in for the SOTU tonight, but I decided to go ahead and listen and then I was greeted with that whopper from Schieffer.

Give me a break!

Unfortunately, I think what he said was true. However O might be being compared to presidents of 8 years, v. 5. And also Obama has just been ignoring the Constitution and the Congress, so effectively, he HAS been using executive fiat to get his way, often, as opposed to persuasion with opposing politicians. He knows not how to negotiate, and wouldn't do it if he could. It is his way or the pen and phone way, if he can get away with that....

Whatever the exact number of executive orders he has written, "sparingly" was a whopper when used to describe Obama's efforts to circumvent the Congress and the checks and balances which protect us from the kind of abuse which Senator Obama and all the little Obama fluffers and members of the media would have howled about if it were a Republican president doing what Obama has done and what he is threatening to escalate.

What the fuck is this ongoing whacked-out Right-Wing obsession with references to gay sex in order to voice disapproval? WTF?

 

[candycorn]

The SOTU is always crap no matter who is giving it. as Jake pointed out Obama is on track to make W look like a school boy because many of his stunts have not been by executive order.

In sheer numbers of executive orders -- by the figures Jake so thoughtfully provided -- Obama is on track to have approximately the same number as Bush by the end of his term. Obama is just over 6/10 of the way through his tenure and has just under 6/10 as many executive orders as Bush.

And Obama has done things like declaring that the Senate was in recess when the Senate said it wasn't.

"Sparingly" is simply a lie. And Senator Obama would have laughed at anyone who suggested that as president he would do what he has done.

But with message shapers like Bob Schieffer out there to massage the story, Obama still thinks he can get away with the ongoing betrayal of democratic principles and his own supposed principles.


Silver lining: Probably not that many people, relatively speaking, were listening to Schieffer shill for Obama.

Jake addressed your OP about his "sparing" used of the EO.

Clinton had more than Bush if I recall correctly. Nobody has talked about signing statements that can basically EOs by a different name. I see conflicting data on how many Bush signed.

------

The end result is that the hysteria (and hysterical) responses to Obama have largely been exaggerated by folks on the right.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

1/15/2013 at 3:14 PM President Obama Has Issued Fewer Executive Orders Than Any President in Over 100 Years Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

That was a year ago.

Barack Obama

Barack Obama issued 166 executive orders between 2009 and 2013. https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders
2013 EO 13635 - EO 13655 21
2012 EO 13597 - EO 13634 38
2011 EO 13563 - EO 13596 33
2010 EO 13526 - EO 13562 35
2009 EO 13489 - EO 15323 39

George W. Bush

George W. Bush issued 287 executive orders between 2001 and 2009.
2009 EO 13484 - EO 13488 5
2008 EO 13454 - EO 13483 29
2007 EO 13421 - EO 13453 32
2006 EO 13395 - EO 13420 25
2005 EO 13368 - EO 13394 27
2004 EO 13322 - EO 13367 46
2003 EO 13282 - EO 13321 40
2002 EO 13249 - EO 13281 32
2001 EO 13198 - EO 13248 51

Only idiots put up numbers with no context ....Congratulations Jake

Here's the context of the EO's.

Executive Orders Issued by President George W. Bush

Executive Orders

Subject Index for Barack Obama - 2009-Present

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama has not exceeded any "alarming" number of EOs, and so far has less than BHO and GWB.

Having said that, we would not to look at the type and context of the EOs. I have no doubt that Bush will have been as much or more expansive of government powers than Obama.

Having said that lol, I would like to see Congressional legislation put limits on EOs, but I don't know if they constitutionally have the power to do that.

 

[Jroc]

Obama has not exceeded any "alarming" number of EOs, and so far has less than BHO and GWB.

Having said that, we would not to look at the type and context of the EOs. I have no doubt that Bush will have been as much or more expansive of government powers than Obama.

Having said that lol, I would like to see Congressional legislation put limits on EOs, but I don't know if they constitutionally have the power to do that.

Fake is not "alarmed" by Obama...He only wants what's good for us. Do you have an autographed picture of your hero?

 

[MarcATL]

The subject of Obama's executive actions was broached and Schieffer said that Obama has used the executive power sparingly up until now, much less than his recent predecessors.

I just about choked. Walked out of the room. CBS lost a viewer tonight. What a joke.

I'm so disgusted with and exhausted by Obama that I almost didn't tune in for the SOTU tonight, but I decided to go ahead and listen and then I was greeted with that whopper from Schieffer.

Give me a break!

Unfortunately, I think what he said was true. However O might be being compared to presidents of 8 years, v. 5. And also Obama has just been ignoring the Constitution and the Congress, so effectively, he HAS been using executive fiat to get his way, often, as opposed to persuasion with opposing politicians. He knows not how to negotiate, and wouldn't do it if he could. It is his way or the pen and phone way, if he can get away with that....

Whatever the exact number of executive orders he has written, "sparingly" was a whopper when used to describe Obama's efforts to circumvent the Congress and the checks and balances which protect us from the kind of abuse which Senator Obama and all the little Obama fluffers and members of the media would have howled about if it were a Republican president doing what Obama has done and what he is threatening to escalate.

No lie, using air quotes won't do.

Post the number of Executive Orders that President Obama has ordered.

PROVE your claims.

 

[Amelia]

Unfortunately, I think what he said was true. However O might be being compared to presidents of 8 years, v. 5. And also Obama has just been ignoring the Constitution and the Congress, so effectively, he HAS been using executive fiat to get his way, often, as opposed to persuasion with opposing politicians. He knows not how to negotiate, and wouldn't do it if he could. It is his way or the pen and phone way, if he can get away with that....

Whatever the exact number of executive orders he has written, "sparingly" was a whopper when used to describe Obama's efforts to circumvent the Congress and the checks and balances which protect us from the kind of abuse which Senator Obama and all the little Obama fluffers and members of the media would have howled about if it were a Republican president doing what Obama has done and what he is threatening to escalate.

No lie, using air quotes won't do.

Post the number of Executive Orders that President Obama has ordered.

PROVE your claims.

Jake posted the numbers.

Executive orders aren't the only abuse of executive power Obama has done. But Jake already posted the proof.

Obama's numbers are comparable to Bush's. They do not merit the claim that he has use executive power "sparingly". Jake gave you the proof. I don't need to link to it.

He has signed fewer executive orders but not that many fewer, and he has done things he decried Bush for doing, and promised to do even more of that.

Senator Obama would have given President Obama a drubbing, if he were honest. And so would you. And so would Bob Schieffer.

But you can't. And Bob can't. Because Obama is a Dem. But you sure could if he were a Republican doing the things Senator Obama was so opposed to.


Quit asking for the proof. Jake already provided it. The numbers Jake provided belie the claim that Obama's use of executive power has been employed sparingly. Since that one figure is all that seems to matter to you guys, leave it at that. It speaks for itself.

 

[Sallow]

The subject of Obama's executive actions was broached and Schieffer said that Obama has used the executive power sparingly up until now, much less than his recent predecessors.

I just about choked. Walked out of the room. CBS lost a viewer tonight. What a joke.

I'm so disgusted with and exhausted by Obama that I almost didn't tune in for the SOTU tonight, but I decided to go ahead and listen and then I was greeted with that whopper from Schieffer.

Give me a break!

What about that is wrong?

Executive Orders

 

[hortysir]

1/15/2013 at 3:14 PM President Obama Has Issued Fewer Executive Orders Than Any President in Over 100 Years Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

That was a year ago.

Barack Obama

Barack Obama issued 166 executive orders between 2009 and 2013. https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders
2013 EO 13635 - EO 13655 21
2012 EO 13597 - EO 13634 38
2011 EO 13563 - EO 13596 33
2010 EO 13526 - EO 13562 35
2009 EO 13489 - EO 15323 39

George W. Bush

George W. Bush issued 287 executive orders between 2001 and 2009.
2009 EO 13484 - EO 13488 5
2008 EO 13454 - EO 13483 29
2007 EO 13421 - EO 13453 32
2006 EO 13395 - EO 13420 25
2005 EO 13368 - EO 13394 27
2004 EO 13322 - EO 13367 46
2003 EO 13282 - EO 13321 40
2002 EO 13249 - EO 13281 32
2001 EO 13198 - EO 13248 51

Only comparing Obama's last 4 years to Bush's total 8 years?

tsk, tsk

 

[MarcATL]

Jake posted the numbers.

Executive orders aren't the only abuse of executive power Obama has done. But Jake already posted the proof.

Obama's numbers are comparable to Bush's. They do not merit the claim that he has use executive power "sparingly". Jake gave you the proof. I don't need to link to it.

He has signed fewer executive orders but not that many fewer, and he has done things he decried Bush for doing, and promised to do even more of that.

Senator Obama would have given President Obama a drubbing, if he were honest. And so would you. And so would Bob Schieffer.

But you can't. And Bob can't. Because Obama is a Dem. But you sure could if he were a Republican doing the things Senator Obama was so opposed to.


Quit asking for the proof. Jake already provided it. The numbers Jake provided belie the claim that Obama's use of executive power has been employed sparingly. Since that one figure is all that seems to matter to you guys, leave it at that. It speaks for itself.

Sallow just posted some numbers that states that in his 1st term GWB signed about 173, and thus far obama has signed about 168. (approx) Bush did a total of 291 (approx) So Obama has a bit to go to catch up to that by the end of his term.

So are you asserting that you yourself are AGAINST Executive Orders in general? No matter WHO the President is?

Is that it?