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Part Two: addressing your ignorant and racist attempt at a rebuttal to facts.LMAO.. And those indians were still using bow & arrows. They were still selling their daughters off for horses. They didn't have a fucking clue about a garden. They raided, murdered and rape other tribes.
LMAO. Claiming the north went to war with the south just to end slavery is bull. It was over the economic and trade benefits that the south had over the north. Better weather in the spring, summer and fall. Meant we had a economic advantage over the north. Our trade agreements with other countries surpassed the north. Which meant the south was making a lot more money. And the north wanted to start taxing us more. Remember the tea party and what that was all about? The north was turning into the Brits. And when the foreigners were willing to pay more for things like cotton, than the yankee's, the war was on. They only used slavery as a means to sell it. You know, like the "Patriot Act." <<< Label anything like that and it's an easy sell.
BTW, there were a LOT fewer slave owners than what you may think. I think out of all the south, only 5% of the south owned slaves. Link to the below.
Looking just at the slave states then, there were 393,975 slave owners in the slave states out of apopulation of 12,240,293. So this means that 3.22 percent of the population of the 15 slave states wereslave owners.“But we have to remember that only free people owned slaves, and that the total population of the slavestates included enslaved people themselves, so we have to adjust our numbers to reflect only freepeople. Therefore, the 393,975 slave owners were out of a free population of 8,289,782, or 4.75 percentof the free population of the slave states being slave owners,” Mackey wrote.The confederacy’s 11 states had 316,632 slave owners out of a free population of 5,582,222. Thisequals 5.67 percent of the free population of the confederacy were slave owners.
Also noted, that only one member of a family was the actual slave owner. You'll find slanted statistics that'll include the entire family. Which increases the number of slave owners by a lot. Making the number exaggerated.
Matter of fact, the very first slave owner in this country, was from the north. And he was a black man. Some white folks took his slave from him and he sued to get him back.
Another point was that it was blacks selling blacks into the slave trade.
And one more point. Throughout history, there's been way more Caucasian slaves than blacks.
Those original laws of slave ownership, began being dismantled by whites. Laws were being struck down by whites. Even in the south. Blacks didn't hardly make up 1% of the population when these laws were being struck down. Hell, blacks only make up about 13% of the population now. So to say it was the blacks who ended Jim Crow, segregation and other racist crap, is just bull snot.
BTW, the last nation to end slavery was Africa. And that was only like a decade or so ago. But slavery amongst blacks still exist there. Just under the radar.
It doesn't matter if the Indigenous Indians were stone age or advanced researchers it was still their land, you suggest that white people had some moral or god given right to steal, slaughter, rape and commit genocide because their skin wasn't white. This isn't even a decent rebuttal it's simply ignorant. They didn't need a garden, are you really this stupid?...lol They had and abundance of any fruit or vegetable they wanted."They raided, raped and murdered," sounds exactly like the behavior of the vikings,english, saxons, greeks, romans, welsh,british,etc. Let us know when yout brain slightly processes the point.
The english were shitting and drinking the same water, believed bathing was deadly and couldn't even properly wipe their asses, save us the eurocentric claptrap.
Slavery was indeed the root cause of the civil war, ignorance grows in and empty garden and yours is vast, White southerners introduced this half truth and many others in order to obscure and rewrite factual history much like the daughters of the confederacy. In your ignorance you have shot yourself in the foot...lol. COTTON made stupid backwards southerners ultra rich and that cotton was planted, grown and harvested by free lifetime labor aka chattel slavery.
Let’s start with the value of the slave population. Steven Deyle shows that in 1860, the value of the slaves was “roughly three times greater than the total amount invested in banks,” and it was “equal to about seven times the total value of all currency in circulation in the country, three times the value of the entire livestock population, twelve times the value of the entire U.S. cotton crop and forty-eight times the total expenditure of the federal government that year.” As mentioned here in a previous column, the invention of the cotton gin greatly increased the productivity of cotton harvesting by slaves. This resulted in dramatically higher profits for planters, which in turn led to a seemingly insatiable increase in the demand for more slaves, in a savage, brutal and vicious cycle.
Now, the value of cotton: Slave-produced cotton “brought commercial ascendancy to New York City, was the driving force for territorial expansion in the Old Southwest and fostered trade between Europe and the United States,” according to Gene Dattel. In fact, cotton productivity, no doubt due to the sharecropping system that replaced slavery, remained central to the American economy for a very long time: “Cotton was the leading American export from 1803 to 1937.”

The Role Cotton Played in the 1800s Economy | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross
Cotton was 'king' in the plantation economy of the Deep South. The cotton economy had close ties to the Northern banking industry, New England textile factories and the economy of Great Britain.
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Further attempts at rewriting history that only stupid people believe.."why would poor whites that owned no slaves fight in the civil war?"
They did it ti maintain the racial hierarchy in this country and particularly in the South. The lowest, dirtiest most ignorant white person could claim superiority over the most intelligent, educated and accomplished Black person simply because they lacked melanin in their skin.
Though only a few held any slaves, almost all middle class southerners supported the slave system because they enjoyed the privileged status that a racially based society bestowed on them, and they feared that they would have to compete with the slaves for land and work if African Americans were free
.https://web-clear.unt.edu/course_projects/HIST2610/content/04_Unit_Four/13_lesson_thirteen/03_southern_soc.htm#:~:text=Though%20only%20a%20few%20held,if%20African%20Americans%20were%20free.
Wealth, Slaveownership, and Fighting for the Confederacy: An Empirical Study of the American Civil War
The war was fundamentally fought over the institution of slavery. We might expect that as white farmers in the Antebellum South became wealthier, their incentives to preserve slavery likewise rose, possibly making them more willing to fight for the Confederacy. This logic is consistent with research throughout political science highlighting how individuals are motivated to fight due to grievances against the state (Cederman, Gleditsch, and Buhaug Reference Cederman, Gleditsch and Buhaug2013; Gurr Reference Gurr1970; Humphreys and Weinstein Reference Humphreys and Weinstein2008; Paige Reference Paige1978)—in this case, grievances against a federal government they saw as threatening an institution that they had been socialized into and upon which their future livelihood depended.Wealth, Slaveownership, and Fighting for the Confederacy: An Empirical Study of the American Civil War | American Political Science Review | Cambridge Core
Wealth, Slaveownership, and Fighting for the Confederacy: An Empirical Study of the American Civil War - Volume 113 Issue 3
I understand how ignorant you were when you attempted AND FAILED to compare African slavery to white chattel slavery. Try to become a little more educated...
Many African slaves were eventually freed and absorbed into their owner's kin group. Another difference was that in African societies most slaves were female. Women were preferred because they bore children and performed most field labor. They were not only responsible for agricultural production, but for spinning and weaving and other productive tasks.
Slavery in early sub-Saharan Africa took a variety of forms. Before the fifteenth century, there was some chattel slavery in sub-Saharan Africa, under which slaves could be bought and sold like livestock.
But most slavery in Africa differed profoundly from the kind of plantation labor that developed in the New World. The gap in status between masters and slaves was not as wide as it would be in the New World. While most slaves were field workers, some served in royal courts, where they served as officials, soldiers, servants, and artisans. Under a system known as "pawnship," youths (usually girls) served as collateral for their family's debts. If their parents or kin defaulted on these debts, then these young girls were forced to labor to repay these debts. In many instances, these young women eventually married into their owner's lineage, and their family's debt was cancelled.
You can attempt a rebuttal, however one can read and simply come to the factual conclusion that you are basically ignorant of the entire subject matter.