Birth Rates

[JohnDB]

We have a real problem in most of the industrialized world.

Birth rates for women.

Currently we need a 2.7 live births per woman in the USA (or any nation in reality) to achieve stable populations. Meaning we aren't getting more crowded but we aren't going extinct either.

Currently we have a 1.7 birth rate for women.

Meaning every woman capable need to plan on having three children minimum....likely more.

How do we think this concept (a reality) is going to play out in the USA?

If you are a woman replying on this forum does the idea appeal to you?

If you are a man replying....how does the idea of fathering 3-4 children appeal to you?

Have you had any children? How many?

 

[1srelluc]

Low testosterone for young men does not help. JFK jr said the other day that young men in the US have the average testosterone level of a 68 year old man.

 

[JohnDB]

Low testosterone for young men does not help. JFK jr said the other day that young men in the US have the average testosterone level of a 68 year old man.

But what do you think about having 3-4 kids of your own?

 

[1srelluc]

But what do you think about having 3-4 kids of your own?

I'm fine with it.....I don't want to pay for them though.

I know, something like a Lebensborn program run by the right-leaning!

Get them lined up barefoot!

No problem.

 

[Eman623]

It's 2.1 kids to maintain stable population, not 2.7

 

[JohnDB]

It's 2.1 kids to maintain stable population, not 2.7

Not really....
A portion of children grow up to become non-parents or have genetic, physical abnormalities or through environmental interventions become incapable of having children. .1% is insufficient to overcome these factors. Childhood death, disease, dismemberment or disfiguration does a number on population. Plus incarceration....people go to jail. Then there's the ever growing population of LGBTQ. (not helping) And those undesirable to procreate with (OnlyFans moms?....uh NO!) Then the autism rates....

So in essence we need the additional boost of .7% to cover for these losses.

So....there ya go.

But MORE IMPORTANTLY.
What are your thoughts on having 3-4 children of your own?

Diapers? School? Discipline? Soccer/baseball practices?

 

[JohnDB]

I'm fine with it.....I don't want to pay for them though.

I know, something like a Lebensborn program run by the right-leaning!

Get them lined up barefoot!

No problem.

I'm going to assume you have no children and really don't want them (especially the expense of having them) as well as the routine maintenance and care of children.

Is that correct?

 

[luiza]

We have a real problem in most of the industrialized world.

Birth rates for women.

Currently we need a 2.7 live births per woman in the USA (or any nation in reality) to achieve stable populations. Meaning we aren't getting more crowded but we aren't going extinct either.

Currently we have a 1.7 birth rate for women.

Meaning every woman capable need to plan on having three children minimum....likely more.

How do we think this concept (a reality) is going to play out in the USA?

If you are a woman replying on this forum does the idea appeal to you?

If you are a man replying....how does the idea of fathering 3-4 children appeal to you?

Have you had any children? How many?

Deep State has sent Birth Rate plumetting with their Evil Covid Killer Jabs .
See Czech study involving over 1 million patients .

Separate Topic . Same Forum section .
Bomb the Pfizer factories and gaol all senior personnel.
Same for other Killer Jab manufacturers

Flog Deniers publicly .

Nothing too much over the top . Just measured revenge .

 

[Eman623]

Not really....
A portion of children grow up to become non-parents or have genetic, physical abnormalities or through environmental interventions become incapable of having children. .1% is insufficient to overcome these factors. Childhood death, disease, dismemberment or disfiguration does a number on population. Plus incarceration....people go to jail. Then there's the ever growing population of LGBTQ. (not helping) And those undesirable to procreate with (OnlyFans moms?....uh NO!) Then the autism rates....

So in essence we need the additional boost of .7% to cover for these losses.

So....there ya go.

But MORE IMPORTANTLY.
What are your thoughts on having 3-4 children of your own?

Diapers? School? Discipline? Soccer/baseball practices?

My wife and I have 1 child. We thought about having a 2nd but it just didn't happen. A 3rd or 4th would have been too much.

The thing to remember is no one worries about maintaining a stable population when they think about kids. They think how many do they want and that's that.

And how many they want changes from generation to generation. In the old days when most people were farmers, kids equaled free labor. Now they are expensive luxuries. I have 1 child. My mom had 3 children. He mom had 5 children. And her mom had 12 children. You see where this is going? My daughter says she doesn't want to have any kids.

And in case you think immigration will fix the problem, it does to some extent. But it's a temporary fix. My daughter's friend is the child of immigrants. She has 4 siblings. But like my daughter, she doesn't plan to have kids either. She has fully assimilated into the culture.

The real question to ask is how many people should America have? Is 335 million the right number that we should try to keep the population stable? Why or why not?

 

[JohnDB]

Now they are expensive luxuries

I think this is the nail getting hit squarely.

And you are correct....immigration is not a permanent solution.

Should the USA continue to grow in population? Yes, our entire monetary systems and retirement systems are built around continued growth. (Has to end someday; I'll agree with that but not for a LONG time)


Children require daycare ($$$$$) after being born (which can cost from $30k-$750k)
Daycare is roughly $500/wk and up. And you still pay for vacations and sick time when because your child is sick they cannot go to daycare.

Then there's the education costs...
Public school is not free. (Contrary to public opinion) all sorts of school supplies and Gap and activity fees....fundraisers are a ripoff...
And the rates for sexual assault in the schools are so high anymore....(teachers and children) nevermind the grooming teachers trying to convert your child into some sort of LGBTQ even if they can't read or write.

So, private education might be called for. More$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Public schools DO seem free by comparison with private schools.

 

[Eman623]

I think this is the nail getting hit squarely.

And you are correct....immigration is not a permanent solution.

Should the USA continue to grow in population? Yes, our entire monetary systems and retirement systems are built around continued growth. (Has to end someday; I'll agree with that but not for a LONG time)


Children require daycare ($$$$$) after being born (which can cost from $30k-$750k)
Daycare is roughly $500/wk and up. And you still pay for vacations and sick time when because your child is sick they cannot go to daycare.

Then there's the education costs...
Public school is not free. (Contrary to public opinion) all sorts of school supplies and Gap and activity fees....fundraisers are a ripoff...
And the rates for sexual assault in the schools are so high anymore....(teachers and children) nevermind the grooming teachers trying to convert your child into some sort of LGBTQ even if they can't read or write.

So, private education might be called for. More$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Public schools DO seem free by comparison with private schools.

You are preaching to the choir. My daughter is a senior in high school and wants to go to Santa Clara University, a small but highly ranked private school here in the San Jose area. A year's tuition - not even counting room and board - is about $60K/year. We're not 1%-ers, but we are rich enough to not qualify for assistance. She took some college classes in high school, so she's got a year or so already under her belt. But even still, we're gonna need student loans and paid internships and every other education dollar we can get our hands on.

I'm cool with all of that. I came from humble beginnings and every parent wants their kids to be better off than themselves. I'm just glad I don't have 3 or 4 kids. No way I'd be able to afford all of this more than once.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

With AI we don't need the birth rates.

The quality of mankind plus numbers will shrink over the decades.

 

[JohnDB]

You are preaching to the choir. My daughter is a senior in high school and wants to go to Santa Clara University, a small but highly ranked private school here in the San Jose area. A year's tuition - not even counting room and board - is about $60K/year. We're not 1%-ers, but we are rich enough to not qualify for assistance. She took some college classes in high school, so she's got a year or so already under her belt. But even still, we're gonna need student loans and paid internships and every other education dollar we can get our hands on.

I'm cool with all of that. I came from humble beginnings and every parent wants their kids to be better off than themselves. I'm just glad I don't have 3 or 4 kids. No way I'd be able to afford all of this more than once.

But it never used to be this way.
The husband worked and provided a good, solid middle class income to support a wife and 3 to 4 kids. Wives stayed at home and raised kids, volunteered at school or libraries or hospitals or whatever.

But the thing was that a whole family was supported by a single income for most of America. Sure, there were hard times at times....tough stuff happened to everyone at some point. But you still could go camping or fishing....have picnics and etc for fun.

Not these days....you can't afford rent (much less a house payment) and groceries for a family of 5.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

But it never used to be this way.
The husband worked and provided a good, solid middle class income to support a wife and 3 to 4 kids. Wives stayed at home and raised kids, volunteered at school or libraries or hospitals or whatever.

But the thing was that a whole family was supported by a single income for most of America. Sure, there were hard times at times....tough stuff happened to everyone at some point. But you still could go camping or fishing....have picnics and etc for fun.

Not these days....you can't afford rent (much less a house payment) and groceries for a family of 5.

Thank Trump.

 

[JohnDB]

Thank Trump.

It started to get rough under Carter. That's when it really started to get tough. My mother had to go back to work to keep the homestead afloat financially.
Reagan didn't really make things better....but I was able to find a job at least.
On through Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama things got to where the thought of trying to keep our heads above water on one income alone was Really scary.
We were able to get a little ahead and had one son.. Financially it was disastrous.
We made it through though.

I don't know what we would have done with 3 or four kids.

 

[DGS49]

The unspoken "problem" is that the women who ARE having children are not the ones that one would prefer. It's not the intelligent, educated, accomplished young adults who are having large families, it's the ones who are in many ways dependent on Government. That is a generalization, I know, but true.

Nobody here seems to have noticed the Democrats' plan to increase the population: Import tens of millions of third-world wretches, and **** the consequences.

 

[JohnDB]

The unspoken "problem" is that the women who ARE having children are not the ones that one would prefer. It's not the intelligent, educated, accomplished young adults who are having large families, it's the ones who are in many ways dependent on Government. That is a generalization, I know, but true.

Nobody here seems to have noticed the Democrats' plan to increase the population: Import tens of millions of third-world wretches, and **** the consequences.

Well, the results of unregulated immigration from 2nd world countries is clear.

Those who immigrated unlawfully begin making a 1st world nation they immigrated into look, become just like the nation they immigrated from.
Rampant gang violence, rapes, thefts, vandalism and etc everywhere. The economic cost is also high as stores and industry close and are not replaced.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Everyone of us is a descendant of legal or illegal or both styles of immigrants.

 

[initforme]

The old tradition of getting married, having kids, was rinse repeat simply isn't appealing to a rapidly growing number of young women and there's nothing that's going to change the trend. Many women aspire for something different and they feel free to do what they wish. It's calledvliberty and freedom. Having kids is not a duty to the nation.

 

[JohnDB]

The old tradition of getting married, having kids, was rinse repeat simply isn't appealing to a rapidly growing number of young women and there's nothing that's going to change the trend. Many women aspire for something different and they feel free to do what they wish. It's calledvliberty and freedom. Having kids is not a duty to the nation.

And that is not what children are for.

Every person should be free to create a lasting rich heritage and legacy. Not a short lived career and subdivision house. Also when we get old, children provide a boost of needed assistance as well as the all important grandbabies to spoil with goodies.
It's not just about caregiving....it's about relationships with others that make a full, rich, and rewarding life that being internet famous seem more like breaking the bank in monopoly board game. (Not very important and extremely temporary)

Huge difference from what you are describing. You call it freedom and liberty....I call it alone and unloved.