Billboards telling troops to obey only lawful orders go up near Florida military base

[HikerGuy83]

Iraqi forces were retreating in compliance with UN Resolution 660 they were out of oombat. Article 3 of the Third Geneva Convention prohibits attacking soldier who are no longer actively fighting.

GoogleAI Overview:

"Presence of Civilians: The convoy included not only military vehicles but also hundreds of Kuwaiti civilian cars stolen by Iraqi troops, as well as foreign workers (Palestinians, Sudanese, and Egyptians). Critics argue the attacks violated the principle of distinction, which requires combatants to distinguish between military and civilian targets."

Activist and former United States Attorney General Ramsey Clark argued that the attacks violated the Third Geneva Convention, Article 3, which prohibits killing soldiers placed 'hors de combat' (out of combat) due to sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause.<a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a><a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> However other commentators point out that under current international law retreating is explicitly a military action and thus retreating soldiers are not out of combat.<a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> "Geneva Protocol I Article 41.2 defines 'hors de combat' as a person who is "in the power of an adverse Party", is expressing an intention to surrender, or is incapacitated; however it explicitly includes that hostile acts or attempting to escape (i.e. retreat) removes this protected status.<a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>

 

[ThisIsMe]

'A billboard campaign telling troops to obey only lawful orders in defiance of the Trump administration has launched in Florida near a military base.

Nonprofits Defiance.org and WhistleblowerAid.org launched the campaign at the MacDill Air Force base in Tampa, urging serving troops to “Obey Only Lawful Orders” amid the Trump administration’s lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean and Pacific, which have so far killed more than 100 people.

“We’re making sure troops know their rights and that they’re not alone if they’re told to cross the line,” Miles Taylor, a former Department of Homeland Security official in President Donald Trump’s first administration, said in a statement to 10 Tampa Bay.

“The president may be the commander-in-chief, but even he is bound by the law,” Taylor added. “This campaign is a constitutional alarm bell to remind our servicemembers of that.” The organizations are offering troops legal advice and providing whistleblower hotlines.'

Billboard telling troops to obey only lawful orders launches near Florida base

The billboards were launched amid the Trump administration’s lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean and Pacific

www.the-independent.com

Unfortunately, those serving in the Eastern Pacific and Caribbean haven’t gotten the message.

They’re obeying unlawful orders every time they attack civilian boats absent evidence of wrongdoing.

The criminal Trump regime has nothing but contempt for the law.

Soldiers already know this, they don’t need billboards to tell them this. The thing is, they are commanded to obey the orders of their superior officers, and likely none of them have any background in law, so they don’t know what a “lawful” order is. I think most of it comes down to orders they KNOW are wrong by common sense, I.e, if your commander tells you to commit a known crime.

Bombing a boat isn’t something they would be able to disobey because we do that kind of thing all over the world.

You all think we’re just randomly blowing up boats in the water? We have intelligence agencies that analyze this stuff, and they write reports and recommendations, and all that stuff is verified and a plan of action is created.

Or do you think they all just gather around the table and say “hey, I think we should bomb some boats today”?

 

[Seymour Flops]

So obvious that I shouldn't have to even say it, but . . .

First there is nothing in the UCMJ telling troops not to obey unlawful orders. Orders are presumed to be lawful and every service person takes an oath to obey them.

The principle that soldiers can disobey unlawful orders comes from court cases. In those cases, the orders were clearly unlawful.

There are more cases of soldiers committing crimes and being found not guilty because they were ordered to commot the crimes than of soldiers disobeying orders and being found not guilty because the orders were illegal.

There is no case in which a soldier was court martialed for disobeying an order and found not guilty on the grounds that a national policy was unlawful. It is incredibly stupid to think that that might happen. For Captain Kelly to encourage service members to make themselves some kind of test cases is a dick move done by a complete and total asshole.

 

[georgephillip]

Still shilling for Saddam? What the hell does that have to do with today?

I'm not still shilling for Gulf War Illness or the environmental devastation the "good guys" inflicted on Iraq and Kuwait.

I suppose you celebrate the human costs Desert Storm brought to innocent human beings on the opposite side of the planet and the profits made by US war mongers?

GoogleAI Overview:

• "Infrastructure Collapse: Targeted bombing destroyed 80% of Iraq's oil refineries and 96% of its electrical generation. This caused the collapse of water pumping and sewage treatment systems, leading to a humanitarian crisis.
• Civilian Casualties: An estimated 3,664 Iraqi civilians were killed directly during the war. Indirectly, tens of thousands more died in the following year due to disease and contaminated water.
• Economic Sanctions: Post-war sanctions imposed by the UN led to decades of economic hardship, which some estimates suggest contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children"

 

[Zincwarrior]

Prove it. Let’s see the annotated code the US is violating. Encouraging US Armed Forces to undermine commands is treason.

News is a thing. We have moved onto to seizing tankers and bombing countries. Blowing up boats is so last week. Keep up!

 

[j-mac]

I'm not still shilling for Gulf War Illness or the environmental devastation the "good guys" inflicted on Iraq and Kuwait.

I suppose you celebrate the human costs Desert Storm brought to innocent human beings on the opposite side of the planet and the profits made by US war mongers?

GoogleAI Overview:

• "Infrastructure Collapse: Targeted bombing destroyed 80% of Iraq's oil refineries and 96% of its electrical generation. This caused the collapse of water pumping and sewage treatment systems, leading to a humanitarian crisis.
• Civilian Casualties: An estimated 3,664 Iraqi civilians were killed directly during the war. Indirectly, tens of thousands more died in the following year due to disease and contaminated water.
• Economic Sanctions: Post-war sanctions imposed by the UN led to decades of economic hardship, which some estimates suggest contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children"

Well, Saddam fucked up when he decided to invade a neighboring country. The difference here is that you want to dismiss all of the evil Saddam perpetrated, while blaming the US only....Typical America hating leftist.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Have you ever been in the military and disobeyed an order that you judged to be unlawful?

jones in the military?....jones gets a nosebleed just thinking about it........

 

[Rawley]

It's as if you're advocating we go around wantonly murdering people, because others have gotten away with it.

Such as Obama?

 

[LeftofLeft]

News is a thing. We have moved onto to seizing tankers and bombing countries. Blowing up boats is so last week. Keep up!

Again, where or what part of an annotated code has been broken where it is a clear delineation for troops to make that call? Hell, one of your guys bombed US Citizens and killed them and you are worried about tankers?

 

[eagle1462010]

I'm not still shilling for Gulf War Illness or the environmental devastation the "good guys" inflicted on Iraq and Kuwait.

I suppose you celebrate the human costs Desert Storm brought to innocent human beings on the opposite side of the planet and the profits made by US war mongers?

GoogleAI Overview:

• "Infrastructure Collapse: Targeted bombing destroyed 80% of Iraq's oil refineries and 96% of its electrical generation. This caused the collapse of water pumping and sewage treatment systems, leading to a humanitarian crisis.
• Civilian Casualties: An estimated 3,664 Iraqi civilians were killed directly during the war. Indirectly, tens of thousands more died in the following year due to disease and contaminated water.
• Economic Sanctions: Post-war sanctions imposed by the UN led to decades of economic hardship, which some estimates suggest contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children"

And they were given every opportunity to leave Kuwaut. They refused. They paid the price.

 

[georgephillip]

Well, Saddam fucked up when he decided to invade a neighboring country. The difference here is that you want to dismiss all of the evil Saddam perpetrated, while blaming the US only....Typical America hating leftist.

The Greatest Purveyor of Violence on this planet sheds crocodile tears over Saddam invading a neighbor which was stealing Iraqi oil. (Sort of like Venezuela stealing "our" oil)

Only MAGA thinks America's greatness comes from mass murder and stealing land.

 

[georgephillip]

And they were given every opportunity to leave Kuwaut. They refused. They paid the price.

Did they pay a proportional price or was Desert Storm the opening move in the mass murder/displacement of the US Global War on (of) Terror?

Infographic: America's War On Terror Displaced 37 Million People

 

[eagle1462010]

Did they pay a proportional price or was Desert Storm the opening move in the mass murder/displacement of the US Global War on (of) Terror?

Infographic: America's War On Terror Displaced 37 Million People

We didnt invade Iraq. We drove its forces from Kuwait.

 

[j-mac]

The Greatest Purveyor of Violence on this planet sheds crocodile tears over Saddam invading a neighbor which was stealing Iraqi oil. (Sort of like Venezuela stealing "our" oil)

Only MAGA thinks America's greatness comes from mass murder and stealing land.

You make your list of people like Saddam Hussein that you support, and I'll continue to cast a hairy eyebrow in your direction....

 

[georgephillip]

Activist and former United States Attorney General Ramsey Clark argued that the attacks violated the Third Geneva Convention, Article 3, which prohibits killing soldiers placed 'hors de combat' (out of combat) due to sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause.<a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a><a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> However other commentators point out that under current international law retreating is explicitly a military action and thus retreating soldiers are not out of combat.<a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> "Geneva Protocol I Article 41.2 defines 'hors de combat' as a person who is "in the power of an adverse Party", is expressing an intention to surrender, or is incapacitated; however it explicitly includes that hostile acts or attempting to escape (i.e. retreat) removes this protected status.<a href="Highway of Death - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>

I don't know of any attempt by the US to distinguish between civilians and retreating combatants on the Highway of Death; it looks more like indiscriminate mass murder, to me.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

What illegal order do you think the troops might receive soon?

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They will never answer.

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[HikerGuy83]

I don't know of any attempt by the US to distinguish between civilians and retreating combatants on the Highway of Death; it looks more like indiscriminate mass murder, to me.

Whatever

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You have to look at democrats motives.

Democrats are obviously planning some kinda major attack on Americans and want to cripple a military response.

Democrats = traitors

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tick-tick-tick-tick-tick

It will be fun to watch. Soiboi puppies who grew up afraid to go outside vs. good old boys who have survived on dinner on the hoof for five or six decades.

Those boys can shoot, and they taught me to shoot as well as, if not better than, some of them!

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[georgephillip]

You make your list of people like Saddam Hussein that you support, and I'll continue to cast a hairy eyebrow in your direction....

I didn't support Saddam's invasion of Kuwait or the US invasions of Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, or Kuwait.

 

[georgephillip]

Whatever

What percentage of those currently serving in the US military regularly participate in criminal activities?

Drug Trafficking and Murder In the Special Forces (w/ Seth Harp) | The Chris Hedges Report

"The decades of warfare in the Middle East and 'Global War on Terror' has spawned a vast secret army embodied in special operations units such as the Green Berets, Navy Seals and the shadowy Delta Force.

"Seth Harp, in his book The Fort Bragg Cartel, calls Delta Force, for example, 'a high-tech death squad dedicated to covertly liquidating the male population base of a recalcitrant ethnic and tribal groups that resist U.S. military occupation.'"