Big Government, Socialism, and the VA

[TooTall]

In my and the real world advancing ideas is a helluva lot different than attacking and starting a war.

Tell that to the Islamist terrorists that flew airplanes into the WTC and the Pentagon. They are the ones that attacked and started a war.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Big Government, Socialism, and the VA

Actual thread title:

The OP, her ignorance of fundamental political philosophies, and the lies contrived by the partisan right.

Actual post.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Biggest problem at the VA was when Bush started 2 wars without first finding the $$$ and resources to fight them and take care of the warriors during and after the figtht.
Add in the massive amount of fraud in the disability rating system the VA is backlogged in now. Around 50% of all returning and retiring veterans are filing some form of disability.
WWII and Nam vets are outraged about this as it is now taboo to question any veteran about their applications for disability.
Add in the politics of funding with the current big dollar Senate bill that was correctly defeated by Republicans.
And the massive fraud still in the procurement of weapons systems and difficulty of closing long obsolete military bases. Pentagon does not want any more tanks but Congress funds that. The military is now a jobs program that the Pentagon does not need as Republicans and Democrats vote for them.
And when you look at the multi million dollar jobs retired brass get after they leave the Pentagon in the military industrial complex field there you go.
Eisenhower warned us and advised the entire nation go to national health care.
If we were really interested in HEALTH care instead of the massive disease care industry now set up, but that is a related but totally different story.

Which explains why there were absolutely no problems with the VA before Bush.

The biggest problem with the VA is the government.

The VA provides first rate care at low cost. Nobody with a serious mind thinks otherwise.

Are you saying your mind is not serious?

 

[TooTall]

Biggest problem at the VA was when Bush started 2 wars without first finding the $$$ and resources to fight them and take care of the warriors during and after the figtht.
Add in the massive amount of fraud in the disability rating system the VA is backlogged in now. Around 50% of all returning and retiring veterans are filing some form of disability.
WWII and Nam vets are outraged about this as it is now taboo to question any veteran about their applications for disability.
Add in the politics of funding with the current big dollar Senate bill that was correctly defeated by Republicans.
And the massive fraud still in the procurement of weapons systems and difficulty of closing long obsolete military bases. Pentagon does not want any more tanks but Congress funds that. The military is now a jobs program that the Pentagon does not need as Republicans and Democrats vote for them.
And when you look at the multi million dollar jobs retired brass get after they leave the Pentagon in the military industrial complex field there you go.
Eisenhower warned us and advised the entire nation go to national health care.
If we were really interested in HEALTH care instead of the massive disease care industry now set up, but that is a related but totally different story.

Which explains why there were absolutely no problems with the VA before Bush.

The biggest problem with the VA is the government.

The VA provides first rate care at low cost. Nobody with a serious mind thinks otherwise.

I seriously doubt that the 40 or so Vets that died waiting to get an appointment to get that 'first rate care' would agree with you if they could!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Big Government, Socialism, and the VA

Actual thread title:

The OP, her ignorance of fundamental political philosophies, and the lies contrived by the partisan right.

So....you weren't able to put together either analysis nor rebuttal?

Typical.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Such bullshit.

If you have an emergency you get treated at the VA emergency room.

You've really become clueless, haven't you...



(CNN) -- President Barack Obama promised accountability, but he made clear Wednesday he won't fire Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki -- yet -- over excessive and sometimes deadly waiting times faced by veterans seeking government health care.
Obama: Shinseki stays for now, but VA misconduct will be punished - CNN.com



Clearly, the vulgar verbiage in your posts is inversely proportional to what you actually know.

I believe the word clueless applies to you. When I have a cold or any ailment, I can go to the VA and get seen immediately in triage.

Where do you go for your mental condition?

 

[Iceweasel]

Let's hear the conservative plan for veterans' healthcare.

Or should we assume you don't have one?

Mine is to defund the VA and use the money to pay for private care.

 

[Iceweasel]

The VA provides first rate care at low cost. Nobody with a serious mind thinks otherwise.

Is this a serious post? I worked in one, were you on the top floor behind the locked door?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let's hear the conservative plan for veterans' healthcare.

Or should we assume you don't have one?

Mine is to defund the VA and use the money to pay for private care.

Like Medicare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Or the 200 plus people killed in hospitals each year. But they don't want to hear that.

They'd rather believe Larry Kudlow, the same idiot who proclaimed back in 2007 "There will be no recession."

Yup.

No, and ironically, under so-called tort reform, the conservatives want to make it harder for people to access the courts for redress.

Woo. You really are every bit the witless one-trick pony you seem to be.

Convince me that conservatives don't want so-called tort reform. Or shut the fuck up.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So the figures provided by the OP - number of vets down, costs soar - are meaningless?
Throwing cash isn't always the solution ... sometimes it's the prob and sometimes it just ideology or reading comprehension.

Why do conservatives always insist that solving obviously costly problems can be done by spending less money on them?

You people who wanted that Iraq war and constantly tried to lowball the overall costs are now going to find out what people like myself were talking about when we were saying you were full of shit.

What a flaming jackass. I neither suggested spending less nor did I support the Iraq war.
Now whatcha got, Princess?

Right. I guess it went past you that I referred to those who DID.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, and ironically, under so-called tort reform, the conservatives want to make it harder for people to access the courts for redress.

Woo. You really are every bit the witless one-trick pony you seem to be.

Yep, the only poster on any message board I have on ignore. Though it's not for being witless, liberals are all witless.

Carbineer likes to say, "oh, you're saying" and then a bunch of crap that's isn't remotely what I said. I'd say I'm not responding until he reads my post and says something related to what I said. Then he would, he'd actually process my post and while liberal at least address the actual subject. So he is capable of reading and processing

Unfortunately, even though he can process, he just doesn't like it. He kept doing the same thing. I told him I'm putting him on ignore until he commits to me to read and give lucid responses the first time. He's still on ignore.

He has me on ignore out of embarrassment at having lost so many arguments, and then he starts harassing me with a bunch of PM's with his conditions under which he would take me off ignore.

As if !!!!

 

[Iceweasel]

Let's hear the conservative plan for veterans' healthcare.

Or should we assume you don't have one?

Mine is to defund the VA and use the money to pay for private care.

Like Medicare.

In that respect yes, but they earned it.

 

[Antares]

Biggest problem at the VA was when Bush started 2 wars without first finding the $$$ and resources to fight them and take care of the warriors during and after the figtht.
Add in the massive amount of fraud in the disability rating system the VA is backlogged in now. Around 50% of all returning and retiring veterans are filing some form of disability.
WWII and Nam vets are outraged about this as it is now taboo to question any veteran about their applications for disability.
Add in the politics of funding with the current big dollar Senate bill that was correctly defeated by Republicans.
And the massive fraud still in the procurement of weapons systems and difficulty of closing long obsolete military bases. Pentagon does not want any more tanks but Congress funds that. The military is now a jobs program that the Pentagon does not need as Republicans and Democrats vote for them.
And when you look at the multi million dollar jobs retired brass get after they leave the Pentagon in the military industrial complex field there you go.
Eisenhower warned us and advised the entire nation go to national health care.
If we were really interested in HEALTH care instead of the massive disease care industry now set up, but that is a related but totally different story.

Which explains why there were absolutely no problems with the VA before Bush.

The biggest problem with the VA is the government.

The VA provides first rate care at low cost. Nobody with a serious mind thinks otherwise.

Sorry Secret Squirrel, not everywhere.

 

[SAYIT]

The VA provides first rate care at low cost. Nobody with a serious mind thinks otherwise.

Is this a serious post? I worked in one, were you on the top floor behind the locked door?

Nah ... he was in the basement in a padded cell.

 

[SAYIT]

No, and ironically, under so-called tort reform, the conservatives want to make it harder for people to access the courts for redress.

Woo. You really are every bit the witless one-trick pony you seem to be.

Convince me that conservatives don't want so-called tort reform. Or shut the fuck up.

Prove what cons don't want? Prove a negative? Are you serious?
You really are a lib ... too stupid to operate a computer.
Oh, and don't expect me to shut up anytime soon.
In fact, I think I'll follow your sorry ass around just for shits and giggles. You make a very fine punching bag.

 

[SAYIT]

Why do conservatives always insist that solving obviously costly problems can be done by spending less money on them?

You people who wanted that Iraq war and constantly tried to lowball the overall costs are now going to find out what people like myself were talking about when we were saying you were full of shit.

What a flaming jackass. I neither suggested spending less on vet health care nor did I support the Iraq war.
Now whatcha got, Princess?

Right. I guess it went past you that I referred to those who DID.

Really? I guess you don't know what "you people" means.

 

[SAYIT]

Woo. You really are every bit the witless one-trick pony you seem to be.

Yep, the only poster on any message board I have on ignore. Though it's not for being witless, liberals are all witless.

Carbineer likes to say, "oh, you're saying" and then a bunch of crap that's isn't remotely what I said. I'd say I'm not responding until he reads my post and says something related to what I said. Then he would, he'd actually process my post and while liberal at least address the actual subject. So he is capable of reading and processing

Unfortunately, even though he can process, he just doesn't like it. He kept doing the same thing. I told him I'm putting him on ignore until he commits to me to read and give lucid responses the first time. He's still on ignore.

He has me on ignore out of embarrassment at having lost so many arguments, and then he starts harassing me with a bunch of PM's with his conditions under which he would take me off ignore.

As if !!!!

Woo ... stupid and delusional. Yup ... you're a lib.

 

[Trinnity]

The problem with the VA is not gonna get better because
1) run by the fedgov
2) staffed by unionized personnel (govt unions)
3) Congress will do nothing because both parties can't and won't work together.

In addition, this is what ACA will be like; only worse.

Be careful what you wish for - we got screwed. I didn't want it or vote for it.

All you who did, you are the enemy of this country and I revile you for your part in it.
Stupidity is no more and excuse than malice. Either way you fucked us and yourself.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Woo. You really are every bit the witless one-trick pony you seem to be.

Convince me that conservatives don't want so-called tort reform. Or shut the fuck up.

Prove what cons don't want? Prove a negative? Are you serious?
You really are a lib ... too stupid to operate a computer.
Oh, and don't expect me to shut up anytime soon.
In fact, I think I'll follow your sorry ass around just for shits and giggles. You make a very fine punching bag.

Here's an actual bill that House Republicans actually passed on so-called tort reform, a bill that works to the detriment of plaintiffs.

House Republicans Pass Bill That Caps Malpractice Lawsuit Damages - AboutLawsuits.com

Now, again, you convince me that most conservatives don't support that sort of legislation.