Big Government, Socialism, and the VA

[Bush92]

Gramsci also advocated a complete challenge to the Christian family. His views on sexual deviancy were widely adopted by the left of the 1960's. Destroy the traditional family unit and its values and in its place you can have a homogeneous family of comrades loyal to the state.

 

[kaz]

Biggest problem at the VA was when Bush started 2 wars without first finding the $$$ and resources to fight them and take care of the warriors during and after the figtht.

Oh stop it. The wars were voted on and funded by Congress.

I worked in a VA hospital in the late 70s to early 80s. It was screwed up then and likely before. I also grew up as a military dependent and didn't have exactly the best of care. What I remember most is waiting...and waiting...and waiting. Human nature being what it is folks don't give a rip when you can't fire them.

As I remember Congress voted to turn the war over to President Bush as he, Bush, thought necessary and appropriate. It was Bush's call, his decision, his baby. You didn't see Congress flying on to a carrier deck claiming mission accomplished. That war was Bush from beginning to end.

Congress put it's manhood in a blind trust and gave it to W?

Let's talk Obamacare. Unlike the many Democrats who voted for the war, every Republican actually voted against it. Do you hold the Democrats totally responsible for that burning bag of shit?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you prove it without cutting and pasting the opinions of others?

Every single thing I post is my opinion.


Mull that over, moron.

So your proof is opinion only.
Wow, you admitted it.

That is one Tire Fire of a post.... the match hit the gasoline when I nailed you with a fact that would have been clear to any but an imbecile like you.

So....you've admitted that you are a moron.....and that every one of my posts is, in actuality, my opinion.

The fact that I document them makes even more clear that I am correct in same.


Now you're running away from that attempt at a post as fast as you can.



Bet you'd have difficulty alphabetizing a sack of M & M’s.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gramsci also advocated a complete challenge to the Christian family. His views on sexual deviancy were widely adopted by the left of the 1960's. Destroy the traditional family unit and its values and in its place you can have a homogeneous family of comrades loyal to the state.

Wow!


So very glad to have a post from one who knows about Gramschi!!!

Welcome to the board.

 

[Gadawg73]

Gramsci also advocated a complete challenge to the Christian family. His views on sexual deviancy were widely adopted by the left of the 1960's. Destroy the traditional family unit and its values and in its place you can have a homogeneous family of comrades loyal to the state.

Never heard of Gramsci having any views on "sexual deviancy".
What were they?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gramsci also advocated a complete challenge to the Christian family. His views on sexual deviancy were widely adopted by the left of the 1960's. Destroy the traditional family unit and its values and in its place you can have a homogeneous family of comrades loyal to the state.

Never heard of Gramsci having any views on "sexual deviancy".
What were they?

I've tried to imagine a list of things you've "never heard of," but infinity is so very hard to imagine.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Please link to a major veterans organization that wants the VA to be dismantled.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Oh stop it. The wars were voted on and funded by Congress.

I worked in a VA hospital in the late 70s to early 80s. It was screwed up then and likely before. I also grew up as a military dependent and didn't have exactly the best of care. What I remember most is waiting...and waiting...and waiting. Human nature being what it is folks don't give a rip when you can't fire them.

As I remember Congress voted to turn the war over to President Bush as he, Bush, thought necessary and appropriate. It was Bush's call, his decision, his baby. You didn't see Congress flying on to a carrier deck claiming mission accomplished. That war was Bush from beginning to end.

Congress put it's manhood in a blind trust and gave it to W?

Let's talk Obamacare. Unlike the many Democrats who voted for the war, every Republican actually voted against it. Do you hold the Democrats totally responsible for that burning bag of shit?

Is Congress supposed to review and approve of every move a Commander-in-Chief makes, once he's been give an authorization for the use force?

 

[Siete]

You are a ******* idiot. Enron. Took a while for the prosecutions, and the people that got rich off of that private scam stayed rich.

Interesting that you bring up the Democrat scandal, Enron.

It was allowed to burgeon because Clinton wouldn't investigate.
It wasn't until Bush did, that it was revealed.



"Documents Link Enron's Fall to Clinton 'Corruption'

In 1992, Enron was one of the most popular contributors to Bill Clinton and the DNC. Enron was right next to Bill Clinton from his first days in the White House. In 1992, Enron donated $100,000 to Clinton's inauguration, and Enron's top exec, Ken Lay, stayed at the White House 11 times.

If the FBI, GAO or Congress wants to investigate billions of dollars lost to "corruption, collusion and nepotism," they need look no further than Bill Clinton."
The Real Enron Scandal: Documents Link Enron's Fall to Clinton 'Corruption'

"Enron founder Ken Lay and his family rank among President Bush’s biggest financial backers of his political career. The family donated about $140,000 to Bush’s political campaigns in Texas and for the White House."

"Overall, Enron employees gave Bush some $600,000 in political donations. According to the Center for Public Integrity, this made Enron Bush’s top career donor, a distinction the company maintained until 2004."

P.S. Enron's downfall had nothing to do with any Bush investigation.

Enron: The Bush Connection | Democracy Now!

41 and Lay sat on the board at Eli Lilly ... 43 called Lay "Kenny" ... Bush was totally void of any responsibility remotely associated with investigating Enron

 

[NYcarbineer]

Please link to a major veterans organization that wants the VA to be dismantled.

Conservatives are discounting the opinions of veterans on this issue, because they fear the veterans can't be counted on to toe the conservative line.

 

[regent]

Oh stop it. The wars were voted on and funded by Congress.

I worked in a VA hospital in the late 70s to early 80s. It was screwed up then and likely before. I also grew up as a military dependent and didn't have exactly the best of care. What I remember most is waiting...and waiting...and waiting. Human nature being what it is folks don't give a rip when you can't fire them.

As I remember Congress voted to turn the war over to President Bush as he, Bush, thought necessary and appropriate. It was Bush's call, his decision, his baby. You didn't see Congress flying on to a carrier deck claiming mission accomplished. That war was Bush from beginning to end.

Congress put it's manhood in a blind trust and gave it to W?

Let's talk Obamacare. Unlike the many Democrats who voted for the war, every Republican actually voted against it. Do you hold the Democrats totally responsible for that burning bag of shit?

Democrats didn't vote for the war, they voted to dump the decision in Bush's lap, it was Bush's call as he thought necessary and appropriate. Read the resolution. If the Iraq War had been like Bush's carrier landing Democrats wouldn't be allowed to smell the invisible smoking cloud, but it wasn't it was disaster. A disaster the oil of Iraq didn't pay for, as promised. We have paid for that carrier landing in money, busted lives and will continue to pay for years to come.

 

[SAYIT]

Biggest problem at the VA was when Bush started 2 wars without first finding the $$$ and resources to fight them and take care of the warriors during and after the figtht.
Add in the massive amount of fraud in the disability rating system the VA is backlogged in now. Around 50% of all returning and retiring veterans are filing some form of disability.
WWII and Nam vets are outraged about this as it is now taboo to question any veteran about their applications for disability.
Add in the politics of funding with the current big dollar Senate bill that was correctly defeated by Republicans.
And the massive fraud still in the procurement of weapons systems and difficulty of closing long obsolete military bases. Pentagon does not want any more tanks but Congress funds that. The military is now a jobs program that the Pentagon does not need as Republicans and Democrats vote for them.
And when you look at the multi million dollar jobs retired brass get after they leave the Pentagon in the military industrial complex field there you go.
Eisenhower warned us and advised the entire nation go to national health care.
If we were really interested in HEALTH care instead of the massive disease care industry now set up, but that is a related but totally different story.

So the figures provided by the OP - number of vets down, costs soar - are meaningless?
Throwing cash isn't always the solution ... sometimes it's the prob and sometimes it just ideology or reading comprehension.

Why do conservatives always insist that solving obviously costly problems can be done by spending less money on them?

You people who wanted that Iraq war and constantly tried to lowball the overall costs are now going to find out what people like myself were talking about when we were saying you were full of shit.

What a flaming jackass. I neither suggested spending less nor did I support the Iraq war.
Now whatcha got, Princess?

 

[SAYIT]

Is that why stories like this were fiction?



Elderly Abused at 1 in 3 Nursing Homes: Report


Reports of serious, physical, sexual and verbal abuse are "numerous" among the nation's nursing homes, according to a congressional report released today.

The study, prepared by the minority (Democratic and Independent) staff of the Special Investigations Division of the House Government Reform Committee, finds that 30 percent of nursing homes in the United States — 5,283 facilities — were cited for almost 9,000 instances of abuse over a recent two-year period, from January 1999 to January 2001.

Elderly Abused at 1 in 3 Nursing Homes: Report - ABC News

Or the 200 plus people killed in hospitals each year. But they don't want to hear that.

They'd rather believe Larry Kudlow, the same idiot who proclaimed back in 2007 "There will be no recession."

Yup.

No, and ironically, under so-called tort reform, the conservatives want to make it harder for people to access the courts for redress.

Woo. You really are every bit the witless one-trick pony you seem to be.

 

[kaz]

As I remember Congress voted to turn the war over to President Bush as he, Bush, thought necessary and appropriate. It was Bush's call, his decision, his baby. You didn't see Congress flying on to a carrier deck claiming mission accomplished. That war was Bush from beginning to end.

Congress put it's manhood in a blind trust and gave it to W?

Let's talk Obamacare. Unlike the many Democrats who voted for the war, every Republican actually voted against it. Do you hold the Democrats totally responsible for that burning bag of shit?

Democrats didn't vote for the war, they voted to dump the decision in Bush's lap, it was Bush's call as he thought necessary and appropriate. Read the resolution. If the Iraq War had been like Bush's carrier landing Democrats wouldn't be allowed to smell the invisible smoking cloud, but it wasn't it was disaster. A disaster the oil of Iraq didn't pay for, as promised. We have paid for that carrier landing in money, busted lives and will continue to pay for years to come.

Evasion. You're saying W wanted it, W got it, W owns it.

On the other hand, Obama wanted it, Obama got it, it's on the Republicans to think of ideas to fix it now.

Liberals are consistent. You are responsible for nothing, including what you do, Republicans are responsible for everything, including what you do...

 

[kaz]

Or the 200 plus people killed in hospitals each year. But they don't want to hear that.

They'd rather believe Larry Kudlow, the same idiot who proclaimed back in 2007 "There will be no recession."

Yup.

No, and ironically, under so-called tort reform, the conservatives want to make it harder for people to access the courts for redress.

Woo. You really are every bit the witless one-trick pony you seem to be.

Yep, the only poster on any message board I have on ignore. Though it's not for being witless, liberals are all witless.

Carbineer likes to say, "oh, you're saying" and then a bunch of crap that's isn't remotely what I said. I'd say I'm not responding until he reads my post and says something related to what I said. Then he would, he'd actually process my post and while liberal at least address the actual subject. So he is capable of reading and processing

Unfortunately, even though he can process, he just doesn't like it. He kept doing the same thing. I told him I'm putting him on ignore until he commits to me to read and give lucid responses the first time. He's still on ignore.

 

[kaz]

So the figures provided by the OP - number of vets down, costs soar - are meaningless?
Throwing cash isn't always the solution ... sometimes it's the prob and sometimes it just ideology or reading comprehension.

Why do conservatives always insist that solving obviously costly problems can be done by spending less money on them?

You people who wanted that Iraq war and constantly tried to lowball the overall costs are now going to find out what people like myself were talking about when we were saying you were full of shit.

What a flaming jackass. I neither suggested spending less nor did I support the Iraq war.
Now whatcha got, Princess?

LOL, my point in the last post exactly...

 

[Howey]

Such bullshit.

If you have an emergency you get treated at the VA emergency room.

You've really become clueless, haven't you...



(CNN) -- President Barack Obama promised accountability, but he made clear Wednesday he won't fire Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki -- yet -- over excessive and sometimes deadly waiting times faced by veterans seeking government health care.
Obama: Shinseki stays for now, but VA misconduct will be punished - CNN.com



Clearly, the vulgar verbiage in your posts is inversely proportional to what you actually know.

I believe the word clueless applies to you. When I have a cold or any ailment, I can go to the VA and get seen immediately in triage.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Big Government, Socialism, and the VA

Actual thread title:

The OP, her ignorance of fundamental political philosophies, and the lies contrived by the partisan right.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Biggest problem at the VA was when Bush started 2 wars without first finding the $$$ and resources to fight them and take care of the warriors during and after the figtht.
Add in the massive amount of fraud in the disability rating system the VA is backlogged in now. Around 50% of all returning and retiring veterans are filing some form of disability.
WWII and Nam vets are outraged about this as it is now taboo to question any veteran about their applications for disability.
Add in the politics of funding with the current big dollar Senate bill that was correctly defeated by Republicans.
And the massive fraud still in the procurement of weapons systems and difficulty of closing long obsolete military bases. Pentagon does not want any more tanks but Congress funds that. The military is now a jobs program that the Pentagon does not need as Republicans and Democrats vote for them.
And when you look at the multi million dollar jobs retired brass get after they leave the Pentagon in the military industrial complex field there you go.
Eisenhower warned us and advised the entire nation go to national health care.
If we were really interested in HEALTH care instead of the massive disease care industry now set up, but that is a related but totally different story.

Which explains why there were absolutely no problems with the VA before Bush.

The biggest problem with the VA is the government.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Biggest problem at the VA was when Bush started 2 wars without first finding the $$$ and resources to fight them and take care of the warriors during and after the figtht.
Add in the massive amount of fraud in the disability rating system the VA is backlogged in now. Around 50% of all returning and retiring veterans are filing some form of disability.
WWII and Nam vets are outraged about this as it is now taboo to question any veteran about their applications for disability.
Add in the politics of funding with the current big dollar Senate bill that was correctly defeated by Republicans.
And the massive fraud still in the procurement of weapons systems and difficulty of closing long obsolete military bases. Pentagon does not want any more tanks but Congress funds that. The military is now a jobs program that the Pentagon does not need as Republicans and Democrats vote for them.
And when you look at the multi million dollar jobs retired brass get after they leave the Pentagon in the military industrial complex field there you go.
Eisenhower warned us and advised the entire nation go to national health care.
If we were really interested in HEALTH care instead of the massive disease care industry now set up, but that is a related but totally different story.

Which explains why there were absolutely no problems with the VA before Bush.

The biggest problem with the VA is the government.

The VA provides first rate care at low cost. Nobody with a serious mind thinks otherwise.