Biden’s EPA Holds Up Major Oil Refinery Amid National Fuel Crisis

[CowboyTed]

The fact is that Biden has ben doing what he can to limit oil and gas production. Whether the rules allowed it is beside the point.

What is estimated by ideologically driven cranks is pure horseshit. Those regulations probably kill far more people than that.

Do you know oil and oil products are a global commodity?

The US People doesn't own one ounce of oil from that refinery.. Not one ounce...

The products from that refinery by law goes to the highest bidder (Transport is >1c a gallon worldwide).. Why by law? CEO (and all C-level employees) are by law forced to maximise profits.

Also I don't think you get how the law works... Air standards are air standards... Joe Biden is told to enforce the law... You want him to start making up the law now...

 

[bripat9643]

Do you know oil and oil products are a global commodity?

The US People doesn't own one ounce of oil from that refinery.. Not one ounce...

The products from that refinery by law goes to the highest bidder (Transport is >1c a gallon worldwide).. Why by law? CEO (and all C-level employees) are by law forced to maximise profits.

Also I don't think you get how the law works... Air standards are air standards... Joe Biden is told to enforce the law... You want him to start making up the law now...

There is no such law, idiot.

You don't understand how regulations work. Only imbeciles like you believe there's no wiggle room in how the government enforces regulations. Biden is the one making up the law.

CowboyTed, you are one of the dumbest posters in this forum.

 

[jc456]

You didn't name a single person. We're discussing specifically what Trump did, not the clean air act. And that self-serving estimate is a gross exaggeration. People die all the time because energy is too expensive.

Like people who can’t afford fuel to shop

 

[jc456]

Do you know oil and oil products are a global commodity?

The US People doesn't own one ounce of oil from that refinery.. Not one ounce...

The products from that refinery by law goes to the highest bidder (Transport is >1c a gallon worldwide).. Why by law? CEO (and all C-level employees) are by law forced to maximise profits.

Also I don't think you get how the law works... Air standards are air standards... Joe Biden is told to enforce the law... You want him to start making up the law now...

Refineries are not globally owned! You remain confused sheeple

 

[surada]

Your assumption that drilling is the only place where economies of scale could apply is the sign of a bonehead. Who says they aren't doing things right? What makes you believe the EPA determines the right way to do things? You're so full of bullshit ideas it's unbelievable.

Why do you think the US has the highest production costs in the world? Drilling, getting oil to a GOSP and refinery.. Why do you think the US is still using rockerpumps instead of Christmas trees?

 

[surada]

Refineries are not globally owned! You remain confused sheeple

Who said refineries are globally owned?

 

[bripat9643]

Well, I decided to go to the Google machine to find out how far homes are supposed to be from a refinery, and it varies from state to state. HUD operates under federal regs, and they say at least 300 feet, but some places it's allowed within 100. Here's a link..............

How far should oil and gas facilities be from a home? The federal government is more protective than some states

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) is home to the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). FHA insures home mortgages to help Americans buy homes. When considering whether a property is eligible for an FHA-insured loan, HUD requires that "a...

www.nrdc.org

But HUD goes further and states that "Operating and abandoned oil and gas wells pose potential hazards to housing, including potential fire, explosion, spray and other pollution.... No existing dwelling may be located closer than 300 feet from an active or planned drilling site. Note that this applies to the site boundary, not to the actual well site."

The mandated distance from an industrial facility to a home or other sensitive area is called a "setback." Some towns in Texas have setbacks of up to 1,000 feet from a home, fresh water well, school, hospital or public park.

Some places in the country, however, still have setbacks for homes that are less then 300 feet. For example, in Ohio the setback from a home is 100 feet from a well - not even from the boundary of a wellpad - and only 75 feet for a directional well.

So, you can see that it varies quite a bit.

As far as how safe is it to live from a refinery? Many medical experts say that you can suffer various serious problems if you live within 3 miles of one. Here's a lot of technical data if you're interested.....................

Proximity to Oil Refineries and Risk of Cancer: A Population-Based Analysis - PMC

The association between proximity to oil refineries and cancer rate is largely unknown. We sought to compare the rate of cancer (bladder, breast, colon, lung, lymphoma, and prostate) according to proximity to an oil refinery in Texas. A total of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And.....................here's some pictures of houses that are fairly close to refineries..................

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The Google machine is a wonderful device, it can help a great deal in sorting through all the bullshit that some people like to spew.

SO WHAT?
The houses were obviously built after the refinery. If no one wants to live there, they don't have to move there.

 

[bripat9643]

Why do you think the US has the highest production costs in the world? Drilling, getting oil to a GOSP and refinery.. Why do you think the US is still using rockerpumps instead of Christmas trees?

I fail to see what one has to do with the other. Rocker pumps are used where the oil won't come out under its own pressure, which is most places. It has nothing to do with any EPA regulations.

 

[jc456]

Who said refineries are globally owned?

You

 

[surada]

I fail to see what one has to do with the other. Rocker pumps are used where the oil won't come out under its own pressure, which is most places. It has nothing to do with any EPA regulations.

Injection keeps the pressure up. The US can't afford that.

 

[surada]

You

Nope. I never said that. However, Motiva is owned by the Saudis.

 

[bripat9643]

Injection keeps the pressure up. The US can't afford that.

You obviously don't know what the **** you're talking about.

 

[surada]

You obviously don't know what the **** you're talking about.

Sure. Ain Dar was a huge success in Ghawar.

 

[bripat9643]

Sure. Ain Dar was a huge success in Ghawar.

You're gibbering incoherently now.

 

[surada]

You're gibbering incoherently now.

I figured you didn't know. No problem.

 

[jc456]

Nope. I never said that. However, Motiva is owned by the Saudis.

Did you say oil was global?

 

[surada]

Did you say oil was global?

Oil is fungible. US oil companies are not nationalized.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Refineries are not globally owned! You remain confused sheeple

Did you say oil was global?

Surada said that oil was a global COMMODITY, not that refineries are globally owned, you are the one that made the mix up. Might wanna do a bit closer reading so you don't make yourself look like an idiot.

BTW..................here's the definition of commodity, of which oil certainly is one, and on the global scale.

Definition of COMMODITY

an economic good: such as; a product of agriculture or mining; an article of commerce especially when delivered for shipment… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

commodity​

noun​

com·mod·i·ty kə-ˈmä-də-tē

pluralcommodities
1: an economic good: such as
a: a product of agriculture or mining
agricultural commodities like grain and corn
b: an article of commerce especially when delivered for shipment
reported the damaged commodities to officials
c: a mass-produced unspecialized product
commodity chemicals
commodity memory chips
2a: something useful or valued
that valuable commodity, patience
also : THING, ENTITY
b: CONVENIENCE, ADVANTAGE
… the many commodities incidental to the life of a public office …—Charles Lamb
3: a good or service whose wide availability typically leads to smaller profit margins and diminishes the importance of factors (such as brand name) other than price
4: one that is subject to ready exchange or exploitation within a market
… stars as individuals and as commodities of the film industry.—Film Quarterly

 

[jc456]

Surada said that oil was a global COMMODITY, not that refineries are globally owned

Is oil a global commodity?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Is oil a global commodity?

Yes, oil is a global commodity. Read the definition in post 198 (right above yours), to see what a commodity is. Since oil is traded between nations, that means it's traded globally, and therefore, a global commodity. For someone who claims to be smart, you sure are dense.