Biden’s BLS Overestimated Jobs Numbers by 1.5 Million

[Seymour Flops]

You want to know why they didn't figure it out sooner? Because it's not that big of a deal really. I think it became a big deal when Trump's number was abysmal.

You're exactly right. It wasn't a big deal under Biden. Biden had good numbers come out that the press reported and he celebrated. Then the correction came out, and the press barely covered it. Probably would not have covered it at all if there were no conservative media.

But the press made a YUGE deal out of it when the same thing happened to Trump. They couldn't stop crowing about how Trump had put his foot in his mouth, which happened due to the incompetence of BLS.

So, yeah. The media prides itself on being activists and having a strong influence on policy, so they should be proud of themselves. They set off events that now lead to a shakeup at BLS.

During the Bush and Trump 1.0 years it was always hospitality jobs. And healthcare. I can believe healthcare but hospitality must report high to make Bush or Trump look good.

But then who's fudging the numbers for Biden?

I don't know why hospitality would be motivated to help Trump or Bush. Other than the fact that the liesure industry requires a good economy, and that happens more under Republicans than Dems.

I don't know that anyone was deliberately fudging for Biden, or against Trump. It's sheer incompetence. Maybe the BLS has been used as a plum reward job with high pay and low expectations for so long that it evolved into a shit show with no understanding of the mathematical principals of statistics.

I've never heard of a statistician who believed that self reporting was a good sampling method. No one familiar with psychology or just human nature should be surprised that companies that are doing well report more quickly than those doing poorly.

 

[sealybobo]

You're exactly right. It wasn't a big deal under Biden. Biden had good numbers come out that the press reported and he celebrated. Then the correction came out, and the press barely covered it. Probably would not have covered it at all if there were no conservative media.

But the press made a YUGE deal out of it when the same thing happened to Trump. They couldn't stop crowing about how Trump had put his foot in his mouth, which happened due to the incompetence of BLS.

So, yeah. The media prides itself on being activists and having a strong influence on policy, so they should be proud of themselves. They set off events that now lead to a shakeup at BLS.

I don't know why hospitality would be motivated to help Trump or Bush. Other than the fact that the liesure industry requires a good economy, and that happens more under Republicans than Dems.

I don't know that anyone was deliberately fudging for Biden, or against Trump. It's sheer incompetence. Maybe the BLS has been used as a plum reward job with high pay and low expectations for so long that it evolved into a shit show with no understanding of the mathematical principals of statistics.

I've never heard of a statistician who believed that self reporting was a good sampling method. No one familiar with psychology or just human nature should be surprised that companies that are doing well report more quickly than those doing poorly.

When the number going down happened to Biden it wasn’t because of something Biden did. We told you trumps going t **** up the economy. Abysmal job numbers. Now prices are going up because of tariffs.

No government employee has ever messed with the e money as much as trump. You guys wanted less government intervention you’ve given us more.

We’re watching very carefully wha trumps policies are having n the economy.

And when trumps new head of the fed raises interest rates, inflation will come back.

Trumps an idiot. So must you be.

 

[Seymour Flops]

When the number going down happened to Biden it wasn’t because of something Biden did.

Oh, so the buck didn't stop there?

We told you trumps going t **** up the economy. Abysmal job numbers.

No, they are not "Abysmal." But they are nothing to brag about. That Trump bragged when the numbers were fake is bad enough. What about all the decisions businesses made based on those fake numbers.

Why in the world are you arguing in favor of using fake numbers to make economic decisions?

Now prices are going up because of tariffs.

No, they are not. Even the liberal media is admiting that.

No government employee has ever messed with the e money as much as trump. You guys wanted less government intervention you’ve given us more.

How has Trump "messed with the money?"

We’re watching very carefully wha trumps policies are having n the economy.

No, you are not. You are taking whatever the media says about Trump as true, whether you understand it or not.

And when trumps new head of the fed raises interest rates, inflation will come back.

Trumps an idiot. So must you be.

I guess that's what you have to fall back on when you are literally reduced to arguing in favor of feeding fake economic numbers to the public, and as quickly as possible.

 

[cnm]

The Power of Ideas

Great read. Basically, the Heritage Foundation emerged out of conservatives being pissed off that public financing of Supersonic Transport was pulled. Ain't that a hoot.

I don't think there's much new in conservative dogma about privatise the profit, socialise the risk .

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't think there's much new in conservative dogma about privatise the profit, socialise the risk .

Yes, that is a good point, and well put.

But that's what happens when government is turned into a massive wealth re-distribution program instead of a defender of safety and security, and provider of guardrails for the free market.

Of course even people whose ideology dictates small government that spends only what is needed for legitimate government functions will be tempted to include themselves in the Great Give-away Festival. Especially since the wealthy pay such a large percentage of government funding, they will look for ways to get some back.

 

[cnm]

So you see? You are saying Biden's BLS overestimated jobs numbers by 1.5 million.

So what about Trump? Come on! Hold him to the same standard. If Biden did it, well so was Trump. The only reason he's crying is he doesn't like the numbers.

'Hold him to the same standard.'​

Now that's funny, I don't care who said it.

 

[cnm]

Yes, that is a good point, and well put.

But that's what happens when government is turned into a massive wealth re-distribution program instead of a defender of safety and security and provider of guardrails for the free market.

Of course even people whose ideology dictates small government that spends only what is needed for legitimate government functions will be tempted to include themselves in the Great Give-away Festival. Especially since the wealthy pay such a large percentage of government funding, they will look for ways to get some back.

Where ideology = hypocrisy, sure.

 

[cnm]

Either you think everyone is stupid so you think you can lie your ass off.. or you genuinely believe this and are stupid. Which is it?

The eternal question, are they knowing or unknowing? I mean, no one could be that dumb, it must be an act, right?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Where ideology = hypocrisy, sure.

No more hypocricy than when liberal Democrats and "not Democrats" accept "tax cuts for the wealthy."

People have to work with the system as it is, regardless of how they wish it would be.

 

[dudmuck]

2020 Had to be stolen. Biden didn't even campaign and now we know, he was not even competent for the job. We now know he wasn't even running the country, the auto pen was running the country. When is the legacy media and the Democrat controlled cable 'news' going to have to pay for lying about Trump in 'Russiagate?'

 

[Winston]

Yes, that is a good point, and well put.

But that's what happens when government is turned into a massive wealth re-distribution program instead of a defender of safety and security, and provider of guardrails for the free market.

Of course even people whose ideology dictates small government that spends only what is needed for legitimate government functions will be tempted to include themselves in the Great Give-away Festival. Especially since the wealthy pay such a large percentage of government funding, they will look for ways to get some back.

So let me see if I got this right. The government has no business running a massive wealth re-distribution program, but re-distributing risk, that is fair game? I mean release toxic sludge into the the water system, ah, let society pay the cost. Pollute the air, with twenty years old diesel trucks or coal fired power plants, ah, let society pay the cost with higher childhood asthma rates. Large agricultural farms dumping tons of toxic chemicals in the form of pesticides, fertilizers that blend with the tons of SHIT, yes, SHIT, to create nitrates that leech into the soil. Ah, let society pay with cancer clusters, check out Pala Alto county Iowa.

So, you got a problem with a wealthy person paying some taxes, I mean after all, that wealthy person has more to protect, depends more on our infrastructure, depends more on the trade routes our military protects, but you feel bad about some of his tax dollars going to some poor person barely getting by, living paycheck to paycheck.

But on the other hand, you don't feel bad about some large corporate farm that rakes in millions of dollars in crop subsidies, dumping shit and chemicals, essentially, "externalizing their risks", you go ahead and look up that term. Causing 27 year old women to die from breast cancer, almost doubling the cancer risk of the neighbors that live close to that farm, and even for those that live several miles away. I mean there is a cancer cluster here in Western North Carolina, in beautiful Ashe County. From ******* Christmas trees. I've seen the immigrants spraying those trees. They look like aliens, covered from head to toe in hazmat gear, and those pesticides just float along in the air, the residents breathing it in. You are fine with that.

Sorry, but you got a warped sense of reality.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So let me see if I got this right. The government has no business running a massive wealth re-distribution program, but re-distributing risk, that is fair game? I mean release toxic sludge into the the water system, ah, let society pay the cost. Pollute the air, with twenty years old diesel trucks or coal fired power plants, ah, let society pay the cost with higher childhood asthma rates. Large agricultural farms dumping tons of toxic chemicals in the form of pesticides, fertilizers that blend with the tons of SHIT, yes, SHIT, to create nitrates that leech into the soil. Ah, let society pay with cancer clusters, check out Pala Alto county Iowa.

So, you got a problem with a wealthy person paying some taxes, I mean after all, that wealthy person has more to protect, depends more on our infrastructure, depends more on the trade routes our military protects, but you feel bad about some of his tax dollars going to some poor person barely getting by, living paycheck to paycheck.

But on the other hand, you don't feel bad about some large corporate farm that rakes in millions of dollars in crop subsidies, dumping shit and chemicals, essentially, "externalizing their risks", you go ahead and look up that term. Causing 27 year old women to die from breast cancer, almost doubling the cancer risk of the neighbors that live close to that farm, and even for those that live several miles away. I mean there is a cancer cluster here in Western North Carolina, in beautiful Ashe County. From ******* Christmas trees. I've seen the immigrants spraying those trees. They look like aliens, covered from head to toe in hazmat gear, and those pesticides just float along in the air, the residents breathing it in. You are fine with that.

Sorry, but you got a warped sense of reality.

No you don't got this right. Not at all. I probably didn't explain it well for a person just jumping into the conversation:

As a libertarian, I believe that government should stay out of the business of business, except for enforcing contracts, settlling lawsuits, and in a very limited way, taxing certain financial transactions. That means both that government should not help business, and that government should not harm business. It should be in the "government business" of protecting us from crime and from foreign attacks. Conservatives claim to believe the same.

The dig was at conservatives wanting government support with the specific example of socializing risk. Now does my reply:

But that's what happens when government is turned into a massive wealth re-distribution program instead of a defender of safety and security, and provider of guardrails for the free market.

Of course even people whose ideology dictates small government that spends only what is needed for legitimate government functions will be tempted to include themselves in the Great Give-away Festival. Especially since the wealthy pay such a large percentage of government funding, they will look for ways to get some back.

make more sense? I'm sure you disagree with it, but do you see how you got it wrong?

It's not that re-distributing risk to help the wealthy is fair game. Far from it, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't even think that share holders of corporations should be immune from penalties and liabilities for what they corporations they own do. This came up years ago in the context of a disastrous and expensive oil spill in the then Gulf of Mexico. I said that the shareholders should be forced to pay up if the corporation goes bankrupt. A poster said, "but most shares are owned by mom and pop, they cannot affort that."

My reply: That's why mom and pop have no business drilling for oil in international waters.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Biden didn't do any of it. By 2020, he was barely able to speak coherently, much less plan a massive rigging of an election.

In 2024, Democrats did not do the things they did in 2020. No bags of ballots dropped off after-hours, no closing doors to witnesses with a promise to stop the counting and then going on with the count behind closed doors, no ballot harvesters preying on old folks homes.

Why did they not do the full court press to win at any cost again? You'd have to ask them. I can only theorize.

 

[Delldude]

Looks like Trump was lied to by the Biden administration.

The labor market created far fewer jobs than previously thought, according to a Labor Department report Tuesday that added to concerns both about the health of the economy and the state of data collection.

Annual revisions to nonfarm payrolls data for the year prior to March 2025 showed a drop of 911,000 from the initial estimates, according to a preliminary report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The total revision was on the high end of Wall Street expectations, which ranged from a low around 600,000 to as many as a million.

The revisions were more than 50% higher than last year’s adjustment and the largest on record going back to 2002. On a monthly basis, they suggest average job growth of 76,000 less than initially reported.
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Most of the time span for the report came before President Donald Trump took office, indicating the jobs picture was deteriorating before he began levying tariffs against U.S. trading partners.

“The BLS’ preliminary benchmark revisions to nonfarm payrolls show a much weaker labor market over most of 2024 and early 2025 than previously estimated,” said Oren Klachkin, market economist at Nationwide Financial. “Importantly, the slower job creation implies income growth was also on a softer footing even prior to the recent rise in policy uncertainty and economic slowdown we’ve seen since the spring. This should give the Fed more impetus to restart its cutting cycle.”

Tuesday’s revisions are not by themselves a reflection of current conditions as they go back as much as a year and a half. However, recent months’ data also has been pointing to a soft labor market. The summer months of June, July and August saw average payroll growth of just 29,000 per month, below the break-even level for keeping the unemployment rate steady.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/09/jobs-report-revisions-september-2025-.html

 

[justoffal]

Now we know the truth.

And this is why the head of BLS was fired by President Trump.

All Democratic Party lies, all the time. Aided and abetted by the MSM.

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The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) under Joe Biden overestimated the number of jobs added by 1.5 million, according to a pro-Trump economist.​

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Controversy erupted this month after Donald Trump fired Erika McEntarfer, the Biden-appointed Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Regardless of the allegations that she deliberately tried to weaken the latest jobs report to make Trump look bad, anyone who’s been paying attention to the jobs numbers over the past few years understands that numbers were reported high, then quietly revised downward. Something shady has been going on at the BLS. That’s what economist Steve Moore is trying to emphasize.​

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The Biden administration grossly overestimated job gains, and whereas real wages consistently went down under Biden, the opposite trend is emerging under Trump, based on the data Moore shared.​

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It is also worth keeping in mind that, as of the start of 2024, the touted “job gains” were going to migrants, including illegal aliens, while U.S.-born men were facing disturbingly high unemployment. While big companies, hotels, and farming conglomerates hired illegal aliens at lower wages, Americans couldn’t find any of the jobs McEntarfer and Biden boasted about.​

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At an Oval Office presentation Thursday, Moore explained, “I called the President because I had some very good news from some new data that we've been able to put together … I was telling the President that he did the right thing in calling for a new head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, because this shows that over the last two years of the Biden administration, the BLS overestimated job creation by 1.5 million jobs.”​

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To call it “a gigantic error” is an understatement. Trump jumped in to say he believes that the BLS under Biden deliberately manipulated the data, but regardless, McEntarfer obviously had a terrible track record.​

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Moore continued, “We have access to some data that no one else does on what has happened month by month with median household income. This is based on unpublished Census Bureau data. It will be released sometime in the next six months, but we get an advanced look at it. And so I was telling the President, in his first five months in office, starting in January through the end of June, the average median household income adjusted for inflation for the average family in America is already up $1,174.” Trump proudly took the chart from Moore and showed it to the press.​

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Then, Moore moved on to compare data from under Biden and from under Trump in his first term. “We finally have the 2024 data on what happened with real family income in the United States,” Moore elucidated. “And so what I did was I compared the record in Donald Trump's first term with the Joe Biden first term.”​

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Even counting in the economic crisis caused by the Covid-19 lockdowns starting in the last year of the first Trump term, as of “2020 we saw a $6,400 real after inflation gain in income for the average family. And that compares with Joe Biden, which was a measly $551. So Mr. President, you get — you gained 10 times more income for the average family than Joe Biden did because of your policies,” Moore concluded.​

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As noted above, real wages went down consistently under the disaster of Bidenomics. But hopefully, a new era is dawning, and workers can look forward to a slowly strengthening economy and jobs market.​

Biden’s BLS Overestimated Jobs Numbers by 1.5 Million

Biden's BLS overestimated job growth by 1.5 million, sparking controversy and claims of manipulation.

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Yeah the whole place is still staffed with past administration loyalists. It's going to be very hard to trust any numbers coming out of that bureau.

 

[Delldude]

Yeah the whole place is still staffed with past administration loyalists. It's going to be very hard to trust any numbers coming out of that bureau.

That about covers the entire government.