Biden ok’d Ukrainian missile strikes into Russia with our long range missiles.

[BackAgain]

Remember, the DemoKKKrats removed Biden from the presidential election because of his mental decline. Now he's ordering potentially world-changing military strikes.

Well done, Dems!

It would be more concerning if he was actually making any of the decisions but he’s obviously not

What’s still very troubling is that whoever is making those decisions (using Potato as a mere stage prop) is unaccountable.

 

[Delldude]

I think this is an effort to keep the portfolios growing for the war pigs.
Trump stops war, they lose money.

See what happens when Russian civilians are killed by US missiles.

 

[para bellum]

They have to be tweeked by US personnel to go the extra distance.

These are solid fuel rockets (once they are ignited, they burn all the fuel), the longer range variant just has a reduced payload. The trajectory is what controls the range. What they have is Block 1, and possibly a few Block 1A (which is the reduced payload version). Range ~165-190 km.

There is no reason to think they need the US to provide targeting, there are a bunch of countries that field these systems and as I mentioned Ukraine has been using them for a year or longer.

There are a lot of those M39 rockets sitting around in Europe- they were taken out of service due to the fact that they use cluster munitions, and European countries are signatories to the Convention on Cluster Munitions. Any country that uses M142 or M270 launchers (Germany, France, Poland, Romania) have these stockpiled.

The M57 is the 300km version and has a regrained motor and there are very few of those even in existence.

Also just to note, the strike that was just carried out was on a warehouse 130km inside Russia. This is not the first time Ukraine has targeted that facility.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Biden escalates the war then hands the shit to Trump and says "here fix what I fucked up."

Sounds like 2017, with him and Obama.

 

[Delldude]

These are solid fuel rockets (once they are ignited, they burn all the fuel), the longer range variant just has a reduced payload. The trajectory is what controls the range. What they have is Block 1, and possibly a few Block 1A (which is the reduced payload version). Range ~165-190 km.

There is no reason to think they need the US to provide targeting, there are a bunch of countries that field these systems and as I mentioned Ukraine has been using them for a year or longer.

There are a lot of those M39 rockets sitting around in Europe- they were taken out of service due to the fact that they use cluster munitions, and European countries are signatories to the Convention on Cluster Munitions. Any country that uses M142 or M270 launchers (Germany, France, Poland, Romania) have these stockpiled.

The M57 is the 300km version and has a regrained motor and there are very few of those even in existence.

Also just to note, the strike that was just carried out was on a warehouse 130km inside Russia. This is not the first time Ukraine has targeted that facility.

Dude.... software is what has to be altered to extend the missiles range.

By US military techs.

 

[para bellum]

Dude.... software is what has to be altered to extend the missiles range.

By US military techs.

Pfft, they have the range they have. You can't extend the range with software- the propellant burns until it's exhausted. The burn profile is a function of the grain design.

The block 1 has a heavier payload- 930x M74 submunitions vs. 300 on the A1 so it has a shorter range.

The only launcher that can't fire ATACMS is the first generation M270, and they can't fire GMRLS either. Everything else, M270A1 and newer, and M142 can interchange ATACMS or GMRLS pods.

These are short range SSM's- well under the MTCR threshold and there are no International restrictions on their transfer (other than the CCM if you are a signatory country).

We have sold them to a whole bunch of different countries, and they don't need our help (or satellites) to use them.

You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Delldude]

You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.

I'll await Putin's mountain. Like I said, they hit rusky civilians.....duh.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If NATO countries can attack Russian underwater propery in Baltic sea, its quite possible that Russia also can attack property of NATO countries there.

If you haven't gathered yet, this poster is a Russian propaganda bot. I recommend everyone ignore his posts.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

With MERVS. Guarantees MAD. All we need is 1 boomer. All they need is 1 Typhone.

Let that sink in.

What Typhoons? The ones waiting to be scrapped?

BTW, it's MIRV.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Asshole, I didn't ask you about your imaginary conventional might. You'd be hiding under your bed when the draftsman came to invite you to fight for the motherland, I'm sure.

I already toyed with your country for 12 years on everything from a ballistic missile submarine to an aircraft carrier, and watched your city lights at night from the Black Sea. You are a paper tiger at best. You can't even whip poor little Ukraine in almost 3 years in a battle that should have taken 3 days.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The USA is attacking Russia with missiles 50 miles inside its borders. Biden had committed an act of war. This is no longer a border skirmish.


Is anything Biden does ever wise?
At the advent of this conflict:

1. Biden broke up peace talks that would have ended the conflict.
2. Biden vowed not to put American boots on the ground there. He already has done so.
3. Biden vowed not to use strategic US weapons there. He has now agreed to allow Patriot missiles, Abrams tanks, F-16s, and now ATACMS.
4. At every step, while the EU stays safely out of it, Biden drags us deeper and deeper into a war with Russia and over some stupid pissant country we don't even have a treaty with.

You misspelled Ukraine. None of those weapons are strategic. Your entire concept is one huge error.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Beyond that, it's my understanding US personnel do the targeting........if that isn't an act of war.


They fired one yesterday.


I seriously doubt that.....


They have to be tweeked by US personnel to go the extra distance.


Ukes....with a little help from their friends.


Dude, my point was it would be easier to hit EU targets and make a quick point.


Up to eight warheads, 24 missiles, 5-90 and 455 kT. Nuke response I read was a sub would fire a limited amount at targets, then go silent for some time, then do another limited launch, rinse, repeat. This is a first strike response.....and would ensure a hit every couple months negating the county's attempt at rebuilding.

The original flash bang.


His response to the Uke's early on was what let it escalate.

I highlighted the text containing your errors. Maybe you should try again.

 

[Delldude]

If you haven't gathered yet, this poster is a Russian propaganda bot. I recommend everyone ignore his posts.

Not too hard to tell............he knew jack shit about US military.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Remember, the DemoKKKrats removed Biden from the presidential election because of his mental decline. Now he's ordering potentially world-changing military strikes.

Well done, Dems!

The only thing world-changing is the deaths of Russian and North Korean troops attempting to retake Russian territory before Trump ends this war.

 

[AlexanderPK]

I already toyed with your country for 12 years on everything from a ballistic missile submarine to an aircraft carrier, and watched your city lights at night from the Black Sea. You are a paper tiger at best. You can't even whip poor little Ukraine in almost 3 years in a battle that should have taken 3 days.

Blowhard, that's what you did, you toyed. You all served, in a yellow submarine most likely, but what real peer adversary wars did you, toy soldiers, wage, much less win?

 

[para bellum]

I'll await Putin's mountain. Like I said, they hit rusky civilians.....duh.

How many Uke civilians has Putin killed?

They have a right to fight back you know.

 

[para bellum]

If you haven't gathered yet, this poster is a Russian propaganda bot. I recommend everyone ignore his posts.

I think that guy is the alter-ego of Silver Cat (or whatever that other guy's handle was- Silver something-or-other).

Same propaganda, different username...

 

[AlexanderPK]

This is the sane man who you need as your minister of defense or something in that order

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This is the sane man who you need as your minister of defense or something in that order

Another Ruskie bot on ignore!

 

[Zavulon]

If you haven't gathered yet, this poster is a Russian propaganda bot. I recommend everyone ignore his posts.

By the way. Yesterday you (after your Biden) said, that Joint US-Ukrainian forces are going to use ATACMS in Kursk region only. The very same day, Joint US-Ukrainian forces attacked a target in Bryansk region.
So, either Admiral Rockwell Tory is a sensless chatter-box, or neither Biden, Harris or Trump can really control US-forces, (and may be, they are controlled by someone else).

BTW, yesterday Lavrov constatated the fact, that we are in war with "West" now. Congratulations, you've unlocked new achievement - "Direct war with Russia". May be, there will a relatively short (weeks or months) period of a "phony war" (needed mostly to refresh location of most of US SSBNs), but then Russia will attack.