Biden needs to take whatever deal he can get from Caputo because reconcillation is now off the table

[Rambunctious]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

Then what do you call this?...

and this...

and this...

You are proof that we need to have a test to be able to vote....

 

[BULLDOG]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

Biden administration freezes Alaska oil drilling leases that were among Trump's parting moves

The Biden administration is suspending all oil and gas leases in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

www.marketwatch.com

I never lie...if there is no drilling there is an empty pipeline....you need a better news source....

There has never been any drilling in ANWR, except one test well in the 80s. There has never been an ANWR pipeline. Trump approved the sale of leases in the wildlife refuge for the first time ever during his last days of presidency, but Biden stopped it before there was any drilling, and certainly before there was ever a pipeline. Perhaps you need a better news source.

 

[BULLDOG]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

Then what do you call this?...
View attachment 496548

and this...
View attachment 496550
and this...
View attachment 496551
You are proof that we need to have a test to be able to vote....

That is the Trans-Alaska pipeline that skirts ANWR. It has been in operation since the 70s, and is still operational. Nothing Biden has done effects it in anyway. One of us doesn't know what he is talking about, and it's not me.

 

[kyzr]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

He shutdown ANWR. Read the fucking link.
Yes there will be a pipeline to get the oil out of ANWR, duh.

 

[bendog]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Good story Doggie, it’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out and may ultimately be a good thing for Uncle Joe, after all his primary mission is to restore stability and confidence NOT to “Go big” on legislation that was largely dreamed up in left wing think tanks. He should have learned that from what happened to his former boss and the shellacking(s) the Democrats took after he tried to “Go big” on left wing “priorities”.

IMHO Joe needs to stick with EVERYBODY priorities and if that means he just moves the citizenry back from the brink of complete stupidity somewhat, then he’ll be a successful President.

Well I read a week or two ago that Biden saw what happened to Obama's plans when he actually brought deficits down, increased jobs and increased healthcare. Under WJC that would be a win. It was not for Obama. And the gop immediately blew up deficits like we've never seen before unless we were in recession, and they didn't accomplish the 4% growth they promised. And McConnell continues defending them as the greatest econ improvment ever. Maybe they were ... for the 1%.

So Biden said to hell with deficits, I'm gonna enact everything I can that would benefit the middle class. His plan is to stimulate demand as much as possible.

I'd agree with you if you're saying just get the infrastructure we use now fixed, and maybe some new power grid. Move benefits from the top 1% to the middle class. Biden wants a second term for the "soul of America." But the progressive agenda is not a maj.

The deficits are imo a problem, but no one else seems to give a damn, unless it's the gop when they are not the maj party, and when they are the maj party, they outspend the dems.

You make a good point regarding "infrastructure" as there is potential for ROI and it's effect on expanding the U.S. production possibilities curve (PPC) across the broad economy there, however I have no confidence that the boys & girls in Washington are capable of confining themselves to items that are actually return positive when it comes to a singular massive infrastructure bill (They'll dip their nasty beaks into it and extract a SEA of non ROI pork from it).

As far as the rest of it re:"Benefit the Middle Class", same story as with a massive infrastructure bill as well as the fact that I have no faith that anything the Democrats pass will end up largely benefitting "the middle class", in fact why are we even worrying about "the middle class" when it's the POOR that STILL only get 13 cents of every subsidy dollar that government hands out? why don't we work on helping them become NOT POOR first and then worry about subsidizing everybody else?

In my opinion, Joe needs to stick to what he's good at and just work on healing the vicious divisions that exist and bringing some confidence back to institutions.

I specifically meant expanding the child tax credit. One may or may not like it, but there's no dispute it puts money in working families pockets. Some of Biden's plans for expanding healthcare seem doomed to me. Student loan relief would help some.

I think Manchin and Caputo see infrastructure the same way. Biden walks a narrow line. If he mentions "human infrastrucure" the gop and even the moderates from both parties go green around the gills. And if he doesn't, Bernie and Liz make unpleasant sounds.

 

[BULLDOG]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

He shutdown ANWR. Read the fucking link.
Yes there will be a pipeline to get the oil out of ANWR, duh.

Why would they build a pipeline where there are no wells? Are you high right now?

 

[Rambunctious]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

Then what do you call this?...
View attachment 496548

and this...
View attachment 496550
and this...
View attachment 496551
You are proof that we need to have a test to be able to vote....

That is the Trans-Alaska pipeline that skirts ANWR. It has been in operation since the 70s, and is still operational. Nothing Biden has done effects it in anyway. One of us doesn't know what he is talking about, and it's not me.

What flows through it?....water?....Orange Juice?.....my oh my...Please stop voting....what ever you do stop voting....if you love America you will never vote again...

 

[BULLDOG]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

Then what do you call this?...
View attachment 496548

and this...
View attachment 496550
and this...
View attachment 496551
You are proof that we need to have a test to be able to vote....

That is the Trans-Alaska pipeline that skirts ANWR. It has been in operation since the 70s, and is still operational. Nothing Biden has done effects it in anyway. One of us doesn't know what he is talking about, and it's not me.

What flows through it?....water?....Orange Juice?.....my oh my...Please stop voting....what ever you do stop voting....if you love America you will never vote again...

Oil, but it doesn't come from ANWR, and Biden's actions don't effect it in any way. I'm serious. Are you high right now?

 

[bendog]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

He shutdown ANWR. Read the fucking link.
Yes there will be a pipeline to get the oil out of ANWR, duh.

There are no oil wells in ANWR. There is no pipeline called the ANWR pipeline. The Trans Alaska Pipeline faces an uncertain future because oil flows decline. Some would like to see ANWR drilling, and a pipeline connecting ANWR to the Trans Alaska Pipeline.

Biden put a hold on the Keystone Pipeline, and federal courts have halted the Dakota Access Pipeline from pumping. Both decisions are imo regrettable.

 

[bendog]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

Biden administration freezes Alaska oil drilling leases that were among Trump's parting moves

The Biden administration is suspending all oil and gas leases in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

www.marketwatch.com

I never lie...if there is no drilling there is an empty pipeline....you need a better news source....

if there's no drilling, they don't need to build a pipelien. Jesus, stop listenting to Qtrump

 

[bendog]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

Biden administration freezes Alaska oil drilling leases that were among Trump's parting moves

The Biden administration is suspending all oil and gas leases in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

www.marketwatch.com

I never lie...if there is no drilling there is an empty pipeline....you need a better news source....

your own link doesn't say there is a pipeline!

 

[NightFox]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Good story Doggie, it’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out and may ultimately be a good thing for Uncle Joe, after all his primary mission is to restore stability and confidence NOT to “Go big” on legislation that was largely dreamed up in left wing think tanks. He should have learned that from what happened to his former boss and the shellacking(s) the Democrats took after he tried to “Go big” on left wing “priorities”.

IMHO Joe needs to stick with EVERYBODY priorities and if that means he just moves the citizenry back from the brink of complete stupidity somewhat, then he’ll be a successful President.

Well I read a week or two ago that Biden saw what happened to Obama's plans when he actually brought deficits down, increased jobs and increased healthcare. Under WJC that would be a win. It was not for Obama. And the gop immediately blew up deficits like we've never seen before unless we were in recession, and they didn't accomplish the 4% growth they promised. And McConnell continues defending them as the greatest econ improvment ever. Maybe they were ... for the 1%.

So Biden said to hell with deficits, I'm gonna enact everything I can that would benefit the middle class. His plan is to stimulate demand as much as possible.

I'd agree with you if you're saying just get the infrastructure we use now fixed, and maybe some new power grid. Move benefits from the top 1% to the middle class. Biden wants a second term for the "soul of America." But the progressive agenda is not a maj.

The deficits are imo a problem, but no one else seems to give a damn, unless it's the gop when they are not the maj party, and when they are the maj party, they outspend the dems.

You make a good point regarding "infrastructure" as there is potential for ROI and it's effect on expanding the U.S. production possibilities curve (PPC) across the broad economy there, however I have no confidence that the boys & girls in Washington are capable of confining themselves to items that are actually return positive when it comes to a singular massive infrastructure bill (They'll dip their nasty beaks into it and extract a SEA of non ROI pork from it).

As far as the rest of it re:"Benefit the Middle Class", same story as with a massive infrastructure bill as well as the fact that I have no faith that anything the Democrats pass will end up largely benefitting "the middle class", in fact why are we even worrying about "the middle class" when it's the POOR that STILL only get 13 cents of every subsidy dollar that government hands out? why don't we work on helping them become NOT POOR first and then worry about subsidizing everybody else?

In my opinion, Joe needs to stick to what he's good at and just work on healing the vicious divisions that exist and bringing some confidence back to institutions.

I specifically meant expanding the child tax credit. One may or may not like it, but there's no dispute it puts money in working families pockets. Some of Biden's plans for expanding healthcare seem doomed to me. Student loan relief would help some.

I think Manchin and Caputo see infrastructure the same way. Biden walks a narrow line. If he mentions "human infrastrucure" the gop and even the moderates from both parties go green around the gills. And if he doesn't, Bernie and Liz make unpleasant sounds.

Here's where you and I are again going to part ways since I don't define "help" as taking money out of a vast swath of citizens pockets and handing it to a group of people in amounts based on the number of offspring they have with absolutely no strings attached. It's good thing the Child Tax Credit payout scheme is going to sunset at years end, because I see all kinds of people using that money to buy their way into debt (Houses, Cars, Durables) that they cannot possibly afford in the long run.

I also don't think "human infrastructure" as a concept is a non-starter, investing in labor force improvements is just as viable from an ROI standpoint as investing in bridges but as you pointed out it's been abused in the current round of discussion.

Student Loan relief is a complete non-starter (Joe already said he doesn't support it) and encouraging students to take on massive debt that everybody else has to pay for isn't the way to go IMHO, I see FAR too many students wasting loan money on an Institutions that they shouldn't be at & never would have went to if they hadn't cheap money thrown at them. Let's work on ways of LOWERING TUITON instead, perhaps by expanding community colleges, trade schools, etc.. so that we can offer students the RIGHT type of education to suit their talents and desires not enticing them into expensive Universities where they don't belong.

 

[bendog]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Good story Doggie, it’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out and may ultimately be a good thing for Uncle Joe, after all his primary mission is to restore stability and confidence NOT to “Go big” on legislation that was largely dreamed up in left wing think tanks. He should have learned that from what happened to his former boss and the shellacking(s) the Democrats took after he tried to “Go big” on left wing “priorities”.

IMHO Joe needs to stick with EVERYBODY priorities and if that means he just moves the citizenry back from the brink of complete stupidity somewhat, then he’ll be a successful President.

Well I read a week or two ago that Biden saw what happened to Obama's plans when he actually brought deficits down, increased jobs and increased healthcare. Under WJC that would be a win. It was not for Obama. And the gop immediately blew up deficits like we've never seen before unless we were in recession, and they didn't accomplish the 4% growth they promised. And McConnell continues defending them as the greatest econ improvment ever. Maybe they were ... for the 1%.

So Biden said to hell with deficits, I'm gonna enact everything I can that would benefit the middle class. His plan is to stimulate demand as much as possible.

I'd agree with you if you're saying just get the infrastructure we use now fixed, and maybe some new power grid. Move benefits from the top 1% to the middle class. Biden wants a second term for the "soul of America." But the progressive agenda is not a maj.

The deficits are imo a problem, but no one else seems to give a damn, unless it's the gop when they are not the maj party, and when they are the maj party, they outspend the dems.

You make a good point regarding "infrastructure" as there is potential for ROI and it's effect on expanding the U.S. production possibilities curve (PPC) across the broad economy there, however I have no confidence that the boys & girls in Washington are capable of confining themselves to items that are actually return positive when it comes to a singular massive infrastructure bill (They'll dip their nasty beaks into it and extract a SEA of non ROI pork from it).

As far as the rest of it re:"Benefit the Middle Class", same story as with a massive infrastructure bill as well as the fact that I have no faith that anything the Democrats pass will end up largely benefitting "the middle class", in fact why are we even worrying about "the middle class" when it's the POOR that STILL only get 13 cents of every subsidy dollar that government hands out? why don't we work on helping them become NOT POOR first and then worry about subsidizing everybody else?

In my opinion, Joe needs to stick to what he's good at and just work on healing the vicious divisions that exist and bringing some confidence back to institutions.

I specifically meant expanding the child tax credit. One may or may not like it, but there's no dispute it puts money in working families pockets. Some of Biden's plans for expanding healthcare seem doomed to me. Student loan relief would help some.

I think Manchin and Caputo see infrastructure the same way. Biden walks a narrow line. If he mentions "human infrastrucure" the gop and even the moderates from both parties go green around the gills. And if he doesn't, Bernie and Liz make unpleasant sounds.

Here's where you and I are again going to part ways since I don't define "help" as taking money out of a vast swath of citizens pockets and handing it to a group of people in amounts based on the number of offspring they have with absolutely no strings attached. It's good thing the Child Tax Credit payout scheme is going to sunset at years end, because I see all kinds of people using that money to buy their way into debt (Houses, Cars, Durables) that they cannot possibly afford in the long run.

I also don't think "human infrastructure" as a concept is a non-starter, investing in labor force improvements is just as viable from an ROI standpoint as investing in bridges but as you pointed out it's been abused in the current round of discussion.

Student Loan relief is a complete non-starter (Joe already said he doesn't support it) and encouraging students to take on massive debt that everybody else has to pay for isn't the way to go IMHO, I see FAR too many students wasting loan money on an Institutions that they shouldn't be at & never would have went to if they hadn't cheap money thrown at them. Let's work on ways of LOWERING TUITON instead, perhaps by expanding community colleges, trade schools, etc.. so that we can offer students the RIGHT type of education to suit their talents and desires not enticing them into expensive Universities where they don't belong.

I don't think any money is being taken from one to pay another. The 1% are certainly paying a lower % of tax/income than they were when the child tax credit came into existence. No to attack you personally, but the gop only sees debt as a problem when the middle class gets the benefit.

 

[two_iron]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Excellent point. Joseph Stolen has replied to your offer:

 

[NightFox]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Good story Doggie, it’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out and may ultimately be a good thing for Uncle Joe, after all his primary mission is to restore stability and confidence NOT to “Go big” on legislation that was largely dreamed up in left wing think tanks. He should have learned that from what happened to his former boss and the shellacking(s) the Democrats took after he tried to “Go big” on left wing “priorities”.

IMHO Joe needs to stick with EVERYBODY priorities and if that means he just moves the citizenry back from the brink of complete stupidity somewhat, then he’ll be a successful President.

Well I read a week or two ago that Biden saw what happened to Obama's plans when he actually brought deficits down, increased jobs and increased healthcare. Under WJC that would be a win. It was not for Obama. And the gop immediately blew up deficits like we've never seen before unless we were in recession, and they didn't accomplish the 4% growth they promised. And McConnell continues defending them as the greatest econ improvment ever. Maybe they were ... for the 1%.

So Biden said to hell with deficits, I'm gonna enact everything I can that would benefit the middle class. His plan is to stimulate demand as much as possible.

I'd agree with you if you're saying just get the infrastructure we use now fixed, and maybe some new power grid. Move benefits from the top 1% to the middle class. Biden wants a second term for the "soul of America." But the progressive agenda is not a maj.

The deficits are imo a problem, but no one else seems to give a damn, unless it's the gop when they are not the maj party, and when they are the maj party, they outspend the dems.

You make a good point regarding "infrastructure" as there is potential for ROI and it's effect on expanding the U.S. production possibilities curve (PPC) across the broad economy there, however I have no confidence that the boys & girls in Washington are capable of confining themselves to items that are actually return positive when it comes to a singular massive infrastructure bill (They'll dip their nasty beaks into it and extract a SEA of non ROI pork from it).

As far as the rest of it re:"Benefit the Middle Class", same story as with a massive infrastructure bill as well as the fact that I have no faith that anything the Democrats pass will end up largely benefitting "the middle class", in fact why are we even worrying about "the middle class" when it's the POOR that STILL only get 13 cents of every subsidy dollar that government hands out? why don't we work on helping them become NOT POOR first and then worry about subsidizing everybody else?

In my opinion, Joe needs to stick to what he's good at and just work on healing the vicious divisions that exist and bringing some confidence back to institutions.

I specifically meant expanding the child tax credit. One may or may not like it, but there's no dispute it puts money in working families pockets. Some of Biden's plans for expanding healthcare seem doomed to me. Student loan relief would help some.

I think Manchin and Caputo see infrastructure the same way. Biden walks a narrow line. If he mentions "human infrastrucure" the gop and even the moderates from both parties go green around the gills. And if he doesn't, Bernie and Liz make unpleasant sounds.

Here's where you and I are again going to part ways since I don't define "help" as taking money out of a vast swath of citizens pockets and handing it to a group of people in amounts based on the number of offspring they have with absolutely no strings attached. It's good thing the Child Tax Credit payout scheme is going to sunset at years end, because I see all kinds of people using that money to buy their way into debt (Houses, Cars, Durables) that they cannot possibly afford in the long run.

I also don't think "human infrastructure" as a concept is a non-starter, investing in labor force improvements is just as viable from an ROI standpoint as investing in bridges but as you pointed out it's been abused in the current round of discussion.

Student Loan relief is a complete non-starter (Joe already said he doesn't support it) and encouraging students to take on massive debt that everybody else has to pay for isn't the way to go IMHO, I see FAR too many students wasting loan money on an Institutions that they shouldn't be at & never would have went to if they hadn't cheap money thrown at them. Let's work on ways of LOWERING TUITON instead, perhaps by expanding community colleges, trade schools, etc.. so that we can offer students the RIGHT type of education to suit their talents and desires not enticing them into expensive Universities where they don't belong.

I don't think any money is being taken from one to pay another. The 1% are certainly paying a lower % of tax/income than they were when the child tax credit came into existence. No to attack you personally, but the gop only sees debt as a problem when the middle class gets the benefit.

First off Doggie, don't ever think that attacking the GOP is attacking me personally, I'm NOT a Republican, never have been, never will be, the ship sailed on the possibility of me ever becoming a member of or providing any form of support to the GOP A LONG time ago. so I ALWAYS see debt as a problem no matter which political crime family is writing the checks.

Secondly, that money IS being taken from one to pay another, first in the form of higher prices (your cost of living isn't subsidized, right? yeah mine neither) and secondly in the form of higher taxes down the road, even at the current inexplicably low rates the debt being spawned still has to be serviced and eventually paid back. What do we get for that debt? In this case we get even more middle class families loaded up with debt they cannot afford because they're human beings and are responding to the INCENTIVES that Uncle Sugar is handing them (they believe they're "wealthier" than the actually are and acting accordingly), we also get higher inflation so once they come back down to Earth they have a higher COST OF LIVING to contend with (in addition to debt service), lastly they get to pay higher taxes down the road perhaps MUCH higher if rates ever catch up to reality.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch , government debt CAN be worthwhile IF you get something in return that is of greater value than what it costs to service that debt, in this case we're NOT doing that, we're just handing out freebies pursuant to buying votes in the now that will have to be paid for later.

 

[bendog]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Good story Doggie, it’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out and may ultimately be a good thing for Uncle Joe, after all his primary mission is to restore stability and confidence NOT to “Go big” on legislation that was largely dreamed up in left wing think tanks. He should have learned that from what happened to his former boss and the shellacking(s) the Democrats took after he tried to “Go big” on left wing “priorities”.

IMHO Joe needs to stick with EVERYBODY priorities and if that means he just moves the citizenry back from the brink of complete stupidity somewhat, then he’ll be a successful President.

Well I read a week or two ago that Biden saw what happened to Obama's plans when he actually brought deficits down, increased jobs and increased healthcare. Under WJC that would be a win. It was not for Obama. And the gop immediately blew up deficits like we've never seen before unless we were in recession, and they didn't accomplish the 4% growth they promised. And McConnell continues defending them as the greatest econ improvment ever. Maybe they were ... for the 1%.

So Biden said to hell with deficits, I'm gonna enact everything I can that would benefit the middle class. His plan is to stimulate demand as much as possible.

I'd agree with you if you're saying just get the infrastructure we use now fixed, and maybe some new power grid. Move benefits from the top 1% to the middle class. Biden wants a second term for the "soul of America." But the progressive agenda is not a maj.

The deficits are imo a problem, but no one else seems to give a damn, unless it's the gop when they are not the maj party, and when they are the maj party, they outspend the dems.

You make a good point regarding "infrastructure" as there is potential for ROI and it's effect on expanding the U.S. production possibilities curve (PPC) across the broad economy there, however I have no confidence that the boys & girls in Washington are capable of confining themselves to items that are actually return positive when it comes to a singular massive infrastructure bill (They'll dip their nasty beaks into it and extract a SEA of non ROI pork from it).

As far as the rest of it re:"Benefit the Middle Class", same story as with a massive infrastructure bill as well as the fact that I have no faith that anything the Democrats pass will end up largely benefitting "the middle class", in fact why are we even worrying about "the middle class" when it's the POOR that STILL only get 13 cents of every subsidy dollar that government hands out? why don't we work on helping them become NOT POOR first and then worry about subsidizing everybody else?

In my opinion, Joe needs to stick to what he's good at and just work on healing the vicious divisions that exist and bringing some confidence back to institutions.

I specifically meant expanding the child tax credit. One may or may not like it, but there's no dispute it puts money in working families pockets. Some of Biden's plans for expanding healthcare seem doomed to me. Student loan relief would help some.

I think Manchin and Caputo see infrastructure the same way. Biden walks a narrow line. If he mentions "human infrastrucure" the gop and even the moderates from both parties go green around the gills. And if he doesn't, Bernie and Liz make unpleasant sounds.

Here's where you and I are again going to part ways since I don't define "help" as taking money out of a vast swath of citizens pockets and handing it to a group of people in amounts based on the number of offspring they have with absolutely no strings attached. It's good thing the Child Tax Credit payout scheme is going to sunset at years end, because I see all kinds of people using that money to buy their way into debt (Houses, Cars, Durables) that they cannot possibly afford in the long run.

I also don't think "human infrastructure" as a concept is a non-starter, investing in labor force improvements is just as viable from an ROI standpoint as investing in bridges but as you pointed out it's been abused in the current round of discussion.

Student Loan relief is a complete non-starter (Joe already said he doesn't support it) and encouraging students to take on massive debt that everybody else has to pay for isn't the way to go IMHO, I see FAR too many students wasting loan money on an Institutions that they shouldn't be at & never would have went to if they hadn't cheap money thrown at them. Let's work on ways of LOWERING TUITON instead, perhaps by expanding community colleges, trade schools, etc.. so that we can offer students the RIGHT type of education to suit their talents and desires not enticing them into expensive Universities where they don't belong.

I don't think any money is being taken from one to pay another. The 1% are certainly paying a lower % of tax/income than they were when the child tax credit came into existence. No to attack you personally, but the gop only sees debt as a problem when the middle class gets the benefit.

First off Doggie, don't ever think that attacking the GOP is attacking me personally, I'm NOT a Republican, never have been, never will be, the ship sailed on the possibility of me ever becoming a member of or providing any form of support to the GOP A LONG time ago. so I ALWAYS see debt as a problem no matter which political crime family is writing the checks.

Secondly, that money IS being taken from one to pay another, first in the form of higher prices (your cost of living isn't subsidized, right? yeah mine neither) and secondly in the form of higher taxes down the road, even at the current inexplicably low rates the debt being spawned still has to be serviced and eventually paid back. What do we get for that debt? In this case we get even more middle class families loaded up with debt they cannot afford because they're human beings and are responding to the INCENTIVES that Uncle Sugar is handing them (they believe they're "wealthier" than the actually are and acting accordingly), we also get higher inflation so once they come back down to Earth they have a higher COST OF LIVING to contend with (in addition to debt service), lastly they get to pay higher taxes down the road perhaps MUCH higher if rates ever catch up to reality.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch , government debt CAN be worthwhile IF you get something in return that is of greater value than what it costs to service that debt, in this case we're NOT doing that, we're just handy out freebies pursuant to buying votes in the now that will have to be paid for later.

That's what I meant. I stopped being a goper. I didn't mean to be taken as insulting you. I figured you as a crossing line voter.

But there's not been inflation. So the child tax credit didn't actually cost anyone anything in the same since that McConnell and Trump joining in tax cuts for the 1% haven't cost anyone anything. That's the point I tried to make.

We're never going to pay the debt back. That ended with WJC, and even then economists in both parties said .... "some debt is good." China can't afford to kill us. The % of debt/gnp is an issue and so are interest rates.

Biden may discover inflation. Making sure the 1% has more money in their pockets is probably not inflationary because they don't really spend that much of it. Rather they look to invest. That has problems too, with not enough investments to go around. Stocks and bonds getting overvalued. Right now we have more demand for goods restaurants and gas than we have supply. Supply crashed in 2000. Demand comes back faster when the govt is putting money in consumers pockets. And we haven't seen any crash like 2000 since 1929-32. But if supply catches up, and demand slows ... inflation should go away.

 

[Oddball]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

I have a deal for you, Joe....

 

[kyzr]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

He shutdown ANWR. Read the fucking link.
Yes there will be a pipeline to get the oil out of ANWR, duh.

Why would they build a pipeline where there are no wells? Are you high right now?

There will be wells as soon as the democrats are bounced out of DC.
You're thinking like Xiden and Kamala will be in-charge forever.
ANWR will happen, or we'll just keep buying oil from the ME.

 

[Rambunctious]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Nobody shut down the Alaska pipeline dumb ass. Quit lying

I think he meant ANWR. Its a lot of AK jobs, and a lot of oil.

Biden shuts down oil and gas leases in the Arctic

The Biden administration plans to suspend oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a senior administration official confirmed Tuesday, undoing a move made by the Trump administration late last year. The decision comes after President Joe Biden issued an executive order earlier...

www.independentsentinel.com

There is no ANWR pipeline.

Then what do you call this?...
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You are proof that we need to have a test to be able to vote....

That is the Trans-Alaska pipeline that skirts ANWR. It has been in operation since the 70s, and is still operational. Nothing Biden has done effects it in anyway. One of us doesn't know what he is talking about, and it's not me.

What flows through it?....water?....Orange Juice?.....my oh my...Please stop voting....what ever you do stop voting....if you love America you will never vote again...

Oil, but it doesn't come from ANWR, and Biden's actions don't effect it in any way. I'm serious. Are you high right now?

We were energy self sufficient under Trump for the first time in decades and in just a few months Joe undid that all and hasn't explained why...for you to petty this subject and infect it with nonsense shows you don't care how high gas goes and how many gallons of American blood will be shed in the sand to keep what we need to run our nation....we are back to 2010...are you happy?...

 

[struth]

if he wants to use it for something like his American Jobs Plan or Families Plan. And rolling back the McConnell/Trump tax cuts for the 1% is off the table, at least until 2022 before the election.

Parliamentarian: Democrats only get one more chance to sidestep GOP this year

Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has effectively ruled that only one more automatic budget reconciliation is permissible this year, dealing a blow to Democrats who previously though…

thehill.com

Trump lowered every income tax payers taxes...some that earn as little as 75,000 per year...a roll back of a tax cut by definition raises their taxes too and they are not the one percent....besides with gas creeping up to $4 per gallon a tax increase is the least of our worries...Joe shut down the Alaska pipeline this morning....look out gas guzzler's and food buyers...you are going to have to cut out that vacation this year and next and the next....more jobs slashed without any kind of explanation at all....

Wow, should I thank him for my dime when millionaires got hundreds, as well as my kid's new debt?

yes...because xiden and the dems are com. i take your dime and add much more new debt with no way to pay for it