Biden had no authority at all to hold classified documents at his home or his other places

[Kilroy2]

Nope. The difference is, is that Biden especially as a senator HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT to have any of those papers at home. Since having them was 100% illegal, he knew he was breaking the law when he took them.

So your saying Trump who was a lame duck president had legal right to take classified documents home

Nope the law is specific that he has to turn over the document before leaving the presidency.

Presidents are required to turn over classified documents before they leave office

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations. The PRA was amended in 2014, which established several new provisions.

They literally had to make a law back in 1978 as it was a mess prior to those years.

Biden had no authority at all to hold classified documents at his home or his other places

You are simply pissing in the wind trying to explain anything to that skank. Hur wrote in his 388-page report published last month, "Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[80zephyr]

So your saying Trump who was a lame duck president had legal right to take classified documents home

Nope the law is specific that he has to turn over the document before leaving the presidency.

Presidents are required to turn over classified documents before they leave office

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations. The PRA was amended in 2014, which established several new provisions.

They literally had to make a law back in 1978 as it was a mess prior to those years.

Biden had no authority at all to hold classified documents at his home or his other places

You are simply pissing in the wind trying to explain anything to that skank. Hur wrote in his 388-page report published last month, "Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the...

www.usmessageboard.com

Trump did what every president has done. Forever. Not Just Trump And Biden: Every Administration Since Reagan Mishandled Classified Records, National Archives Finds

At least those people had the clearances to hold those documents. Biden did not. A HUGE difference.

 

[Kilroy2]

Nope. The difference is, is that Biden especially as a senator HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT to have any of those papers at home. Since having them was 100% illegal, he knew he was breaking the law when he took them.

Trump was not the president and he had no legal right to have them at his home
He also knew that it is illegal to have them in his home

NARA had informed him of the rules but he refused to accept it. NARA c

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978​

I guess you believe prior presidents have the right to keep classified documents.

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public,

NARA collects all the records of the President once his term ends.

 

[Kilroy2]

Trump did what every president has done. Forever. Not Just Trump And Biden: Every Administration Since Reagan Mishandled Classified Records, National Archives Finds

At least those people had the clearances to hold those documents. Biden did not. A HUGE difference.

yes that is why they changed the rules in 1978 because it was a problem. Prior to this it was anything goes.

Still the thing with the PRA it is about VP and President. I can see how it would effect Biden as a senator who took records home.

Chiefs of Staff, White House Counsel and senior members of the White House Counsel’s Office, a National Security Advisor, and senior members of the National Security Council” — and “[n]ot a single one” of these individuals heard anything about him designating the records in question as personal

referring to Trumps claim that he had declassified. So he is lying in order to protect his ass.

Jack Smith blasts Trump's 'fictional PRA defense,' says Mar-a-Lago judge 'must' rule 'promptly'

As the prosecution repeatedly hammered Trump's arguments as "fictional," "invented," and "legally erroneous," the special counsel revealed the genesis of the former president's PRA defense.

lawandcrime.com

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The difference is and always will be is how were they returned.

Biden returned them and accepted the consequences

Trump returnedd kept some thus showing his intent to obstruct. That is intentional criminality

 

[80zephyr]

Trump was not the president and he had no legal right to have them at his home
He also knew that it is illegal to have them in his home

NARA had informed him of the rules but he refused to accept it. NARA c

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978​

I guess you believe prior presidents have the right to keep classified documents.

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public,

NARA collects all the records of the President once his term ends.

Lets be honest. Obama had confidential papers, and no one collected them or gave a shit. It was only after Trump left office that "suddenly" all these papers HAD to be turned in. If Trump would never have won, the issue would have never came up.

You know it.

And I know it.

 

[Kilroy2]

Lets be honest. Obama had confidential papers, and no one collected them or gave a shit. It was only after Trump left office that "suddenly" all these papers HAD to be turned in. If Trump would never have won, the issue would have never came up.

You know it.

And I know it.

Lets be honest. Obama had confidential papers, and no one collected them or gave a shit. It was only after Trump left office that "suddenly" all these papers HAD to be turned in. If Trump would never have won, the issue would have never came up.

You know it.

And I know it.

All that is known is Trump accused Obama of something and in a way to justify what he was doing.

Doing something illegal cannot be justified because someone else did it

Yet as Mr. Harvey would say " Now you will know the rest of the story" not what Trump tells you and regurgitated by right wing

Because some else supposedly did it is not an excuse for anyone else to do it.
That is what criminals do. It is there go to card and their only argument to avoid punishment.
generally it is called self deception



No all that is known that Obama was allowed to take certain documents. Its how those who do bad things justify it to themselves and others

Well get back to Obama.

This is nothing but a regurgitation of Trump and FOX making claims

Trump and his allies on Fox News delivered the whataboutism defense of Obama transferring records from the White House to Chicago for his presidential library.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-obama-allowed-take-white-house-records-but-not-trump-

Right says this

Now the rest of the story

Tens of thousands of Obama's documents were transported to Chicago. But these items were shipped to a federal government facility — which is what's supposed to happen with a president's records.

In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which is the standard legal process.

The difference is Trump packed up the documents and just took them with him without any notification of what he was doing. He did not follow the rules. He thought that he could do it or that no one would catch him doing it.

Obama followed the rules.

In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which is the standard legal process.

See if you follow the rules then everyone will be happy.

If you want to make the rules up as you go along then you open yourself up to reality instead of "just going with the feeling".

Trump baselessly bashed Obama for transferring records from the White House to Chicago. Here's why Obama was allowed while Trump is under scrutiny by the FBI.

The National Archives took it upon itself to dispel Trump's claims.

www.businessinsider.com

Obama notified them and told them what he was taken

Now show me how Trump asked permission first. You see that is the difference , I have sources and you don't other than what he actually did. IF those who handle this confirm so then that is a fact.

Just becomes Trump says so is not a fact

Trump tells his wife that he is going out with the boys and instead goes to see other woman

That is how Trump rolls. Republican are like "Me Likey"

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

First, I asked if you were a JW, not a statist. I think you misunderstood what JW is - Jehovah Witness.

Second, I am a practicing Jew, so no need to tell me we need Gd.

Third, I am a Republican, so no need to tell me that government is intruding - and supposedly a solution to our problems. As Regan famously said, government IS the problem.

You figured me completely wrong.

So I was figured our wrongly. I am many things you do not know and will not know without me saying any of it. But I will say here though it was an irrelevant thing to ask about, I am not a Jehovah's Witness. They have a great deal more wrong.

So we can speak against the need of government or any state over us, with knowing God is over us, and living accordingly.

 

[Billiejeens]

All that is known is Trump accused Obama of something and in a way to justify what he was doing.

Doing something illegal cannot be justified because someone else did it

Yet as Mr. Harvey would say " Now you will know the rest of the story" not what Trump tells you and regurgitated by right wing

Because some else supposedly did it is not an excuse for anyone else to do it.
That is what criminals do. It is there go to card and their only argument to avoid punishment.
generally it is called self deception



No all that is known that Obama was allowed to take certain documents. Its how those who do bad things justify it to themselves and others

Well get back to Obama.

This is nothing but a regurgitation of Trump and FOX making claims

Trump and his allies on Fox News delivered the whataboutism defense of Obama transferring records from the White House to Chicago for his presidential library.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-obama-allowed-take-white-house-records-but-not-trump-

Right says this

Now the rest of the story

Tens of thousands of Obama's documents were transported to Chicago. But these items were shipped to a federal government facility — which is what's supposed to happen with a president's records.

In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which is the standard legal process.

The difference is Trump packed up the documents and just took them with him without any notification of what he was doing. He did not follow the rules. He thought that he could do it or that no one would catch him doing it.

Obama followed the rules.

In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which is the standard legal process.

See if you follow the rules then everyone will be happy.

If you want to make the rules up as you go along then you open yourself up to reality instead of "just going with the feeling".

Trump baselessly bashed Obama for transferring records from the White House to Chicago. Here's why Obama was allowed while Trump is under scrutiny by the FBI.

The National Archives took it upon itself to dispel Trump's claims.

www.businessinsider.com

Obama notified them and told them what he was taken

Now show me how Trump asked permission first. You see that is the difference , I have sources and you don't other than what he actually did. IF those who handle this confirm so then that is a fact.

Just becomes Trump says so is not a fact

Trump tells his wife that he is going out with the boys and instead goes to see other woman

That is how Trump rolls. Republican are like "Me Likey"

He was and will again be a great President.
"We likey"

 

[Robert W]

Yet as Mr. Harvey would say " Now you will know the rest of the story" not what Trump tells you and regurgitated by right wing

Talking of wings; Biden shows up left wing; left wing is a very bad president, now we have the right wing up to bat; he has proven he is a good president. Both wings now will fly this country.