Biden Amin. should've adopted an enclave strategy in Afghanistan.

[Dayton3]

Ironically the Obama Admin. had the right idea.

The "Enclave" Strategy Moves to the Fore.

prospect.org

That is the U.S. should've selected relatively defendable areas such as Bagram air base that serves as a place we could defend, keep order, and a place that opponents to the Taliban could flee to for safety. We could protect enclaves forever if necessary.

Best example of an "Enclave strategy". West Berlin. It served as a refuge for those opposed to communism and an example of western prosperity and freedom in the midst of communism.

So why has this strategy very seldom been adopted?

For one historically the U.S. military has hated it. As one member of the military once said "enclaves mean that you volunteer to be surrounded"

Yet I'm convinced that in many places from Afghanistan to Vietnam it was the only viable strategy that was doable.

 

[harmonica]

..would not work in the long term

 

[Dayton3]

..would not work in the long term

1) Why not?
2) Why does it matter whether it worked long term or not?

 

[harmonica]

Dayton3
1. the Taliban/etc are free to do what they want outside the enclaves
2. as I've stated before, you people do not know the history of Afghanistan-like Vietnam, they had 3 heads of state changes in just a few years--ALL MURDERS!!!!! = you cannot help Afghanistan = very unstable/etc

 

[Dayton3]

Dayton3
1. the Taliban/etc are free to do what they want outside the enclaves
2. as I've stated before, you people do not know the history of Afghanistan-like Vietnam, they had 3 heads of state changes in just a few years--ALL MURDERS!!!!! = you cannot help Afghanistan = very unstable/etc

How would frequent coups affect life inside enclaves protected and patrolled by the U.S. ?

 

[harmonica]

Dayton3 says it right there -UNSTABLE--CANNOT BE HELPED....wasting lives and $$$$$$

 

[Dayton3]

Dayton3 says it right there -UNSTABLE--CANNOT BE HELPED....wasting lives and $$$$$$

No reason things couldn't be stable inside the enclaves.

 

[harmonica]

Dayton3 put another way, we don't want Afghnistan be be the 51st state--it's not our job to keep Afghanis safe /etc

 

[Dayton3]

Dayton3 put another way, we don't want Afghnistan be be the 51st state--it's not our job to keep Afghanis safe /etc

You've yet to explain why an enclave strategy wouldn't work.

 

[harmonica]

Dayton3
1. it would be like Vietnam--the enemy can pick off troops here and there/IEDs/etc.....
2. we can't keep them there forever
3. AND-AND-Berlin was not an enclave!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --AND--AND like I just told Supposed RetiredGYSGT, Berlin/Germany is totally different

 

[harmonica]

Dayton3
1. we were not fighting terrorists in Berlin
2. we were not keeping order in Berlin/Germany
3. there was no Civil War/conflicts in Berlin
4.. my freakin lord--you are comparing Berlin to Afghanistan????!!!!!!

 

[Dayton3]

Dayton3
1. it would be like Vietnam--the enemy can pick off troops here and there/IEDs/etc.....
2. we can't keep them there forever
3. AND-AND-Berlin was not an enclave!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --AND--AND like I just told Supposed RetiredGYSGT, Berlin/Germany is totally different

1) If U.S. troops completely secure the enclaves no snipers or people setting IEDs could get in.
2) Why not?
3) How was West Berlin NOT an enclave?

 

[Dayton3]

4.. my freakin lord--you are comparing Berlin to Afghanistan????!!!!!!

Afghanistan WITHIN enclaves could've been made like West Berlin.

 

[harmonica]

Dayton3 jesus christ-
1.-you are comparing Berlin to Afghanistan ??????!!!
2. you don't win by staying in the defense
3. the Taliban are free outside the enclaves = failure

 

[harmonica]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[harmonica]

ahhhhh---Afghanistan is a tad bigger than Berlin

 

[harmonica]

..they tried that in Vietnam --didn't work either

 

[Dayton3]

ahhhhh---Afghanistan is a tad bigger than Berlin

Way to move the goalposts. I said nothing about turning all of Afghanistan into an enclave and you well know it

You are being dishonest.

 

[harmonica]

..the other thing, why the hell should we stay there, when these last few days PROVE they don't give a shit about their OWN country?

 

[Dayton3]

..the other thing, why the hell should we stay there, when these last few days PROVE they don't give a shit about their OWN country?

Oh yeah, 66,000 Afghan soldiers were killed in battle because they "didn't give a shit".

Tell some more lies.