Biden administration and social media censorship.

[ThunderKiss1965]

Mark Zuckerberg admits that the Biden Administration pressured Meta into censoring US citizens. Vehemently denied by the loons on the left now we have direct conformation.

Meta CEO admits Biden-Harris admin pressured company to censor Americans

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg admitted in a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan that the Biden-Harris admin pressured Facebook to censor Americans.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[frigidweirdo]

Mark Zuckerberg admits that the Biden Administration pressured Meta into censoring US citizens. Vehemently denied by the loons on the left now we have direct conformation.

Meta CEO admits Biden-Harris admin pressured company to censor Americans

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg admitted in a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan that the Biden-Harris admin pressured Facebook to censor Americans.

www.foxbusiness.com

What is your right to free speech? Does it mean you have the right to say anything you want, wherever you want?

The UK is locking up people who incited violence on social media, and their riots lasted less than a week. In the US nothing was done about it and the violence went on for a long time.

""Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure," Zuckerberg wrote. "I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it."

So, the government went and said "we'd like you to take this down" and they said "no" and that was that.

What's wrong with that? They didn't lock anyone up, which is what freedom of speech is all about.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

What is your right to free speech? Does it mean you have the right to say anything you want, wherever you want?

The UK is locking up people who incited violence on social media, and their riots lasted less than a week. In the US nothing was done about it and the violence went on for a long time.

""Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure," Zuckerberg wrote. "I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it."

So, the government went and said "we'd like you to take this down" and they said "no" and that was that.

What's wrong with that? They didn't lock anyone up, which is what freedom of speech is all about.

The point is that Biden should NEVER have made that request of Meta in the first place.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The point is that Biden should NEVER have made that request of Meta in the first place.

Why?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Why?

Because it violated the very principle of free speech. Anyone who takes the 1st Amendment seriously would never have entertained the idea of even making the request.

 

[candycorn]

What is your right to free speech? Does it mean you have the right to say anything you want, wherever you want?

The UK is locking up people who incited violence on social media, and their riots lasted less than a week. In the US nothing was done about it and the violence went on for a long time.

""Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure," Zuckerberg wrote. "I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it."

So, the government went and said "we'd like you to take this down" and they said "no" and that was that.

What's wrong with that? They didn't lock anyone up, which is what freedom of speech is all about.

Are these guys still bitching about the Covid response from social media 4 years later? Get a life folks.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because it violated the very principle of free speech. Anyone who takes the 1st Amendment seriously would never have entertained the idea of even making the request.

No, it didn't.

Do you understand free speech????

Literally had they gone to Meta and said "do this, or there will be consequences" then yes, it might have violated the 1A.

They didn't.

Free speech in this case is: The government can say whatever it likes, as long as it doesn't lock people up for speech which is protected.

They didn't do this.

 

[Doc7505]

What is your right to free speech? Does it mean you have the right to say anything you want, wherever you want?

The UK is locking up people who incited violence on social media, and their riots lasted less than a week. In the US nothing was done about it and the violence went on for a long time.

""Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure," Zuckerberg wrote. "I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it."

So, the government went and said "we'd like you to take this down" and they said "no" and that was that.

What's wrong with that? They didn't lock anyone up, which is what freedom of speech is all about.

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What Does Free Speech Mean?

Among other cherished values, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. Learn about what this means.

www.uscourts.gov

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

No, it didn't.

Yes, it did.

Do you understand free speech????

Do you?

Literally had they gone to Meta and said "do this, or there will be consequences" then yes, it might have violated the 1A.

Not what I said. I did not say it violated the 1st Amendment, I said it violated the principle of the 1st Amendment.

They didn't.

Free speech in this case is: The government can say whatever it likes, as long as it doesn't lock people up for speech which is protected.

They didn't do this.

No, they didn’t. But Biden, who took an oath to uphold the Constitution, should not have even made the request.

And now that the POTUS made the request of a social media company and the company acquiesced, a precedent has been set. Look for more invasive and bolder attempts in the future.

 

[frigidweirdo]

~~~~~~

What Does Free Speech Mean?

Among other cherished values, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. Learn about what this means.

www.uscourts.gov

I'm not reading it in the hope of finding out what it is you want to tell me. Either tell me, or don't.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, it did.


Do you?


Not what I said. I did not say it violated the 1st Amendment, I said it violated the principle of the 1st Amendment.

No, they didn’t. But Biden, who took an oath to uphold the Constitution, should not have even made the request.

And now that the POTUS made the request of a social media company and the company acquiesced, a precedent has been set. Look for more invasive and bolder attempts in the future.

I suggest you go learn about rights first before you attempt to have this conversation with someone who understands what rights are.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I suggest you go learn about rights first before you attempt to have this conversation with someone who understands what rights are.

On what do you base this? Have I said the 1st Amendment was violated? I distinctly remember telling you I didn’t say it was.

So what, exactly, do you think I need to learn here?

 

[frigidweirdo]

On what do you base this? Have I said the 1st Amendment was violated? I distinctly remember telling you I didn’t say it was.

So what, exactly, do you think I need to learn here?

Yeah, you did.

"Because it violated the very principle of free speech."

If it violated the "very principle" of free speech, then it violated free speech. Either it did, or it didn't.

Right now you're saying it didn't, but it did.

Not a good place for a healthy conversation, is it?

 

[struth]

Mark Zuckerberg admits that the Biden Administration pressured Meta into censoring US citizens. Vehemently denied by the loons on the left now we have direct conformation.

Meta CEO admits Biden-Harris admin pressured company to censor Americans

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg admitted in a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan that the Biden-Harris admin pressured Facebook to censor Americans.

www.foxbusiness.com

This is why they are called demafacist

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Yeah, you did.

"Because it violated the very principle of free speech."

If it violated the "very principle" of free speech, then it violated free speech. Either it did, or it didn't.

Right now you're saying it didn't, but it did.

Not a good place for a healthy conversation, is it?

Do you understand what the word “principle” means? In this context, “principle” refers to the meaning or nature or spirit of the idea.

The principle of the 1st Amendment is the right to say what we want without government infringement.

Biden did not violate the letter of the 1st Amendment. But he did, as President and the head of the government, act against the spirit, meaning, nature or principle of the 1A when he conspired with a social media company to censor the opinions of American citizens.

He did not threaten government action but he made the request and censorship occurred at his behest.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do you understand what the word “principle” means? In this context, “principle” refers to the meaning or nature or spirit of the idea.

The principle of the 1st Amendment is the right to say what we want without government infringement.

Biden did not violate the letter of the 1st Amendment. But he did, as President and the head of the government, act against the spirit, meaning, nature or principle of the 1A when he conspired with a social media company to censor the opinions of American citizens.

He did not threaten government action but he made the request and censorship occurred at his behest.

Yeah, I know what "principle" means.

The "principle" of the freedom of speech is this: You can say whatever you like, as long as it doesn't infringe other people's freedoms.

So, Biden can say whatever he likes, as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's freedoms. Which means he can go to Meta and say "hey guys, I don't like what's being posted, can you take it down?"

Meta can say "fuck you" or "we're ever so sorry sire, but we would rather not" or whatever.

And that's what happened.

The "principle" is, and always has been (since freedom of speech became enshrined in the US Constitution at least) that you don't get locked up, or fined or punished by the government if you say what isn't infringing on the rights of others.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Mark Zuckerberg admits that the Biden Administration pressured Meta into censoring US citizens. Vehemently denied by the loons on the left now we have direct conformation.

Meta CEO admits Biden-Harris admin pressured company to censor Americans

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg admitted in a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan that the Biden-Harris admin pressured Facebook to censor Americans.

www.foxbusiness.com

Naturally. This is always what bloated.government pursues. Wait until the history challenged people defend their actions on here, They will claim it is.for "your safety". As if not allowing the truth about a laptop for instance has anything to do with your safety. It's akin to the argument to vote for nothing in order to "save democracy". Frightening how quickly people.will just not trust media any more, trust is at an all time low. All self inflicted really. They do.remember the pre-Soviet world before they collapsed don't they?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Yeah, I know what "principle" means.

The "principle" of the freedom of speech is this: You can say whatever you like, as long as it doesn't infringe other people's freedoms.

WRONG. The 1st Amendment guarantees the right of citizens to free speech without government infringement. That’s it. This is what makes Biden’s actions so questionable.

It actually does not say citizens cannot infringe each others’ right to free speech (there may be state and local laws on this, I don’t know). However, those like myself who take the 1A seriously, apply the principle to everyday life: no matter how much I may dislike what someone says, I would never take that right away, even if I could. At the same time I would never try to shout them down or prevent them saying their piece as so many do today.

So, Biden can say whatever he likes, as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's freedoms. Which means he can go to Meta and say "hey guys, I don't like what's being posted, can you take it down?"

I didn’t say he couldn’t; but as POTUS he probably shouldn’t have.

Meta can say "fuck you" or "we're ever so sorry sire, but we would rather not" or whatever.

And that's what happened.

Actually, it’s not. Meta in fact did as Biden asked and censored user posts. Zuckerberg is now saying he wished he hadn’t.

The "principle" is, and always has been (since freedom of speech became enshrined in the US Constitution at least) that you don't get locked up, or fined or punished by the government if you say what isn't infringing on the rights of others.

Not exactly. As I pointed out above, it only says the government cannot infringe our right to free speech.

 

[The Duke]

Naturally. This is always what bloated.government pursues. Wait until the history challenged people defend their actions on here, They will claim it is.for "your safety". As if not allowing the truth about a laptop for instance has anything to do with your safety. It's akin to the argument to vote for nothing in order to "save democracy". Frightening how quickly people.will just not trust media any more, trust is at an all time low. All self inflicted really. They do.remember the pre-Soviet world before they collapsed don't they?

Possibly not. I ran into a kid that was born after 2000 and is full grown now!

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Mark Zuckerberg admits that the Biden Administration pressured Meta into censoring US citizens. Vehemently denied by the loons on the left now we have direct conformation.

Meta CEO admits Biden-Harris admin pressured company to censor Americans

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg admitted in a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan that the Biden-Harris admin pressured Facebook to censor Americans.

www.foxbusiness.com

He told Jordan that in 2021, "senior officials" from the Biden administration and White House "repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor certain COVID-19 content, including humor and satire."

When Facebook did not agree with the censorship, Zuckerberg said, the Biden administration expressed a lot of frustration.

"Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure," Zuckerberg wrote. "I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it.

So, it was THEIR decision.
Too bad Zuckerberg didn't give examples.

"I also think we made some choices that, with the benefit of hindsight and new information, we wouldn’t make today," he added. "Like I said to our teams at the time, I feel strongly that we should not compromise our content standards to pressure from any Administration in either direction – and we’re ready to push back if something like this happens."

FOX Business reached out to the White House for comment regarding the allegations. Facebook declined to comment beyond the text of the letter.

Sounds like another dud to me.
If there was something there, Gym would have blabbed about it.