Best Way to Achieve Mass Deportations?

[Concerned American]

Do you understand how many companies employ illegals and how thin LE really is?

they do what they can but they can't without good evidence just bust down the doors and arrest the
entire crew, ask for ID if they even have it to weed out the illegals

pretty sure we have this system called E-verify so companies do not hire illegals

And they certainly can't do it in sanctuary states that do not actively support the enforcement of these laws.

 

[Bitterhook]

Why does America spend Billion$ policing immigrants and pennies policing corporations?

Because a lot of employers use E-Verify which is run by the federal government (USCIS and SSA) and automatically gives them an excuse because it is completely ineffective at verifying shit when it comes to Illegal Foreign Nationals who know how to corrupt the system or acquire stolen personal data.

 

[buttercup]

Probably so--WA Gov Ferguson was on the tube last night fomenting the same seditious activities as Walz did in MN. He even said "go peacefully and make your voices heard." Hmmm. The last time I heard those words, he was hollering "INSURRECTION" You can rest assured, if and when this does spread, it will be in a democrat-run, sanctuary state.

To try to suggest that the OVERWHELMING majority of republicans are NOT against this anarchy is ignorant AND dishonest. BTW, I can point to at least one democrat in DC who is against the anarchy in MN. Your argument is non-committal and dishonest.

And you are either poorly educated or intentionally obtuse. Illegal Immigration is not a new problem as you suggest. It has been a problem my entire life growing up in the SW. It has never been a problem of this magnitude until the democrats started creating sanctuary cities and states, which violate the constitution, I might add. Your attempts to disingenuously claim that your anti-illegal immigration while trying to vilify efforts to solve the problem is, in fact, fence straddling.

I never said it was a new problem. It got WORSE in recent years, under Biden's administration, I agree with you on that. But you don't seem to be understanding my point that both parties have been playing a role in the same overall agenda. It's a tag team thing. Problem - Reaction - Solution. The Dems' role was to make the existing problem worse. That causes the reaction, the public crying out to the government to "do something!".... And then comes the "solution" brought by Trump, which was the agenda in the first place. In a Problem - Reaction - Solution scenario, the "solution" is always more authoritarianism.

I'm not vilifying any TRUE efforts to solve the problem. What I'm vilifying is the scam, which is creating a problem in order to bring about a pre-planned "solution." And again, that "solution" is more authoritarianism, more mass surveillance, more destruction of our constitution and bill of rights, the move toward a technocratic police state and other unAmerican, anti-freedom agendas. Is that what you want? That's what I'm against, I'm not against any true and legitimate solutions to the problem.

 

[Concerned American]

Problem - Reaction - Solution.

LMAO, get some new material. That ^^^ is called LIFE. Everything you do requires all of those. It certainly isn't profound and it isn't unique to this issue. Biden allowed unbridled illegal immigration with the sole intent of increasing democrat seats in congress through the use of the census. There are other results that would benefit the democrats further down the road, but that is the crux of the matter. They threw caution to the wind and did not consider the consequences of the drain on resources and taxpayers, drug cartels and gangs, human trafficking and fraud that victimize the entire country. By not unequivocally placing blame where blame is due, you are encouraging these actions. Using flavor-of-the-day terms such as authoritarianism doesn't help your argument either. When a problem it allowed to hit critical mass, desperate measures have to be used until the problem is brought under control. Obstructing the effort to return to normal is not helpful. What, pray tell, is your solution?

 

[georgephillip]

what do you do about the ones that work for themselves or dont work??

the majority of the somalians in minn. are on welfare and dont work,,

how about we go after all of them at the same time??

Where did you find the claim "...the majority of Somalians are on welfare and don't work"?

ChatGPT:

"Unemployment vs. Welfare Use
High rates of welfare participation do not necessarily mean a large majority are unemployed. Many Somali Minnesotans work — including in small businesses, trucking, healthcare, retail, and other sectors — but may still qualify for means-tested assistance because of low income. A separate analysis has noted roughly 70 % labor force participation for Somali Minnesotans, indicating a large share are working or actively seeking work (though these figures vary by source and year)."

 

[drudge X]

You mean like the corrupt democrats in MN, CA, WA and NY do? Like that?

The Democrat mofos at those states scammed the shit of out taxpayers in billions upon billions of dollars but we should believe them when they claimed they work for the little people.

 

[Concerned American]

I never said it was a new problem. It got WORSE in recent years, under Biden's administration, I agree with you on that. But you don't seem to be understanding my point that both parties have been playing a role in the same overall agenda. It's a tag team thing. Problem - Reaction - Solution. The Dems' role was to make the existing problem worse. That causes the reaction, the public crying out to the government to "do something!".... And then comes the "solution" brought by Trump, which was the agenda in the first place. In a Problem - Reaction - Solution scenario, the "solution" is always more authoritarianism.

I'm not vilifying any TRUE efforts to solve the problem. What I'm vilifying is the scam, which is creating a problem in order to bring about a pre-planned "solution." And again, that "solution" is more authoritarianism, more mass surveillance, more destruction of our constitution and bill of rights, the move toward a technocratic police state and other unAmerican, anti-freedom agendas. Is that what you want? That's what I'm against, I'm not against any true and legitimate solutions to the problem.

Your response disagree emoji to my post #24 didn't answer the question that I posed. What is your solution. You've straddled the fence throughout this exchange. Now is your opportunity to explain how you would rid the country of these undesirable illegal invaders. I anticipate more sobbing that you're being picked on and threats of 'iggy' but I anxiously await YOUR solution.

 

[georgephillip]

using your logic we should go after politicians in sanctuary states since they are the ones protecting them,,

Politicians in sanctuary states aren't murdering American citizens for exercising their First and Second Amendment rights.

Why America Spends Billions Policing Immigrants — And Pennies Policing Corporations

"We should be asking why governments chooses to prosecute alleged immigration violations instead of corporate criminals

"The immigration raids we see are dramatic, but do not seem to me to be the best way to achieve their stated goal of mass deportations.

"If the administration truly wanted to deport undocumented workers, it would crack down on the companies, like meatpackers and large farms, that hire them.

"But doing so would require policing of corporations and employers, which the GOP generally seeks to avoid."

 

[Bitterhook]

Where did you find the claim "...the majority of Somalians are on welfare and don't work"?

ChatGPT:

"Unemployment vs. Welfare Use
High rates of welfare participation do not necessarily mean a large majority are unemployed. Many Somali Minnesotans work — including in small businesses, trucking, healthcare, retail, and other sectors — but may still qualify for means-tested assistance because of low income. A separate analysis has noted roughly 70 % labor force participation for Somali Minnesotans, indicating a large share are working or actively seeking work (though these figures vary by source and year)."

It does not claim that the majority are not on assistance and only indicates the majority work some. It is possible they do work, but work could apply to not really working a whole hell of a lot and still being on assistance (which it states). Or it is possible more do work and are not on assistance (which it does not state). It also decided to qualify "seeking work" and indicated the figures could change depending on who did the counting and the year.

The fact it decided to include "small business, trucking, healthcare, retail and other sectors" still doesn't tell you anything about a number and I am sure some do work in those fields (so it isn't a lie).

Now draw back and take a look at the whole thing, understanding that it tells you next to nothing, and pretends to be something.

 

[georgephillip]

We’re not policing immigrants. We are policing illegal aliens, particularly the violent ones.

We are policing non-rich blue collar workers in ways that inspire terror more than voluntary compliance which is exactly what should be expected from a rising autocrat's hired killers.

Why America Spends Billions Policing Immigrants — And Pennies Policing Corporations

"Having lots of cops who know the community is an important part of a safe democratic regime, whereas incompetent, aggressive police decked out in military gear can be the foundation of an authoritarian state."

 

[Bitterhook]

We are policing non-rich blue collar workers in ways that inspire terror more than voluntary compliance which is exactly what should be expected from a rising autocrat's hired killers.

Why America Spends Billions Policing Immigrants — And Pennies Policing Corporations

"Having lots of cops who know the community is an important part of a safe democratic regime, whereas incompetent, aggressive police decked out in military gear can be the foundation of an authoritarian state."

Illegal Foreign Nationals are citizens of a foreign country and policing them shouldn't make a difference to a US Citizen.
We are a sovereign Nation of Laws and they are here illegally. They are not even Immigrants; they are Foreign Nationals.



Edit:
As an added point, according to this report, 40% of Illegal Foreign Nationals didn't even enter the US illegally and have overstayed their Visas (still illegal and citizens of a foreign country).

 

[georgephillip]

I'm not a fan of enlisting businesses to enforce immigration policy, but YES, the brutality is the point. Trump is trying to provoke martial law and civil war.

And the upcoming midterms will offer his best opportunity yet to further divide Americans:

Five Criminal Justice Issues to Watch During Trump’s Second Year in…

"Now, as 2026 begins, we have a much better sense of Trump’s agenda.

"His administration is testing norms and boundaries at breakneck speed: eroding due process, threatening to invoke domestic terrorism to intimidate nonprofits and criminalize dissent, undermining the criminal justice system with corrupt pardons, helping drive a surge in use of the death penalty, weaponizing the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), and much more."

 

[georgephillip]

If it were jews being driven into the sea, you would be all for it.

Some Jews deserve to die slow, cold, and alone:

Israel’s Netanyahu dissolves war cabinet

 

[Bitterhook]

Some Jews deserve to die slow, cold, and alone:

Some folks eventually just choose to drive the bus off a cliff, ruining everything they said that might have made sense.

 

[progressive hunter]

Where did you find the claim "...the majority of Somalians are on welfare and don't work"?

ChatGPT:

"Unemployment vs. Welfare Use
High rates of welfare participation do not necessarily mean a large majority are unemployed. Many Somali Minnesotans work — including in small businesses, trucking, healthcare, retail, and other sectors — but may still qualify for means-tested assistance because of low income. A separate analysis has noted roughly 70 % labor force participation for Somali Minnesotans, indicating a large share are working or actively seeking work (though these figures vary by source and year)."

what about the ones that work for themselves??

why not just go after all of them at once??

 

[progressive hunter]

Where did you find the claim "...the majority of Somalians are on welfare and don't work"?

ChatGPT:

"Unemployment vs. Welfare Use
High rates of welfare participation do not necessarily mean a large majority are unemployed. Many Somali Minnesotans work — including in small businesses, trucking, healthcare, retail, and other sectors — but may still qualify for means-tested assistance because of low income. A separate analysis has noted roughly 70 % labor force participation for Somali Minnesotans, indicating a large share are working or actively seeking work (though these figures vary by source and year)."

Report: Nearly 90% of Somali homes with children in Minnesota on welfare | AlphaNews.org

A new report released Dec. 10 regarding Somali immigrants in Minnesota provides insight into the population's issues of poverty and welfare.

alphanews.org

Somali Immigrants in Minnesota

The migration of Somalis to Minnesota has created stark socioeconomic disparities in a region once known for its egalitarianism. This report documents the struggles of the Minnesota Somali population, now numbering over 75,000, in an otherwise high-achieving state.

cis.org

A new report released Dec. 10 regarding Somali immigrants in Minnesota provides insight into the population’s issues of poverty and welfare.

The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) report found that “nearly every Somali household with children (89 percent) receives some form of welfare.”

“Altogether, 81 percent of Somali households consume some form of welfare, compared to 21 percent of native households. Somalis with 10 years of residency have welfare consumption rates that are only marginally lower than the Somali population as a whole,” says the CIS report, authored by Jason Richwine.

Other findings of the report include:

 

[buttercup]

LMAO, get some new material. That ^^^ is called LIFE. Everything you do requires all of those. It certainly isn't profound and it isn't unique to this issue. Biden allowed unbridled illegal immigration with the sole intent of increasing democrat seats in congress through the use of the census. There are other results that would benefit the democrats further down the road, but that is the crux of the matter. They threw caution to the wind and did not consider the consequences of the drain on resources and taxpayers, drug cartels and gangs, human trafficking and fraud that victimize the entire country. By not unequivocally placing blame where blame is due, you are encouraging these actions. Using flavor-of-the-day terms such as authoritarianism doesn't help your argument either. When a problem it allowed to hit critical mass, desperate measures have to be used until the problem is brought under control. Obstructing the effort to return to normal is not helpful. What, pray tell, is your solution?

The solution to preventing the problem, or addressing the existing problem? If you’re asking about prevention, there are a number of things that could be done, that aren’t being done, and are almost certainly not going to happen because the powers-that-be don't really care about solving the problem. If they really wanted to solve the illegal immigration problem, they would remove all incentives, get rid of bad policies like “a path to citizenship” and other policies that encourage illegal immigration, go after employers who hire illegals, just to name a few things.

If you’re asking about the existing problem, I just want federal agents to obey the law and the constitution, get better training, stop acting like trigger-happy, violent, power-tripping thugs and start acting in a sane, reasonable, professional manner, like most other LE. As long as they’re doing that, I’m OK with what they’ve been doing for years to arrest and deport illegals. And I think MOST (not all, of course, there are some true open border commies that exist) people feel that way, regardless of party. But I highly doubt that is going to happen, because as I keep saying, in my view this whole thing isn't really about illegal immigration. But I've already explained that numerous times, if you don't understand what I've been saying by now, I don't think you ever will.

 

[georgephillip]

stupid … It’s like you think this is the first time this has been suggested, and like we are not already doing it.

FO, foreigner.

Who are you calling a foreigner, Moron?

 

[Concerned American]

We are policing non-rich blue collar workers in ways that inspire terror more than voluntary compliance which is exactly what should be expected from a rising autocrat's hired killers.

Why America Spends Billions Policing Immigrants — And Pennies Policing Corporations

"Having lots of cops who know the community is an important part of a safe democratic regime, whereas incompetent, aggressive police decked out in military gear can be the foundation of an authoritarian state."

Cops knowing the community and refusing to police them and enforce the law ARE the problem. Sanctuary cities and states are violating federal immigration law. These state and municipal governments are doing worse than refusing to police when they actively encourage citizens and illegal immigrants to oppose federal authorities in their efforts to remove these foreign invaders. MN is home to many meat packers--Chinese-owned John Morrell is one of them. Has Walz tried to discourage their hiring practices---NOPE--he encourages these law breakers and actively takes part in defrauding the federal taxpayer.

 

[georgephillip]

I will tell you the most effective way to get rid of the invading hordes of illegal aliens Biden’s degenerate crew ushered in here: Round them up and execute them on the spot, like what ISIS does to gays and Christians. We do that, and they will run for the border (and I am not talking about Taco Bell).

However, we are not like the Jihadists. We are not like the communists. We are not even like the Nazis. We are far more humane. We do not intentionally murder people because they break the law or have differing opinions and beliefs.

We are the same murdering, racist capitalists we have always been:

Genocide and chattel slavery built this country MAGA yet?