Best and Worst Presidents of My Lifetime. Mashmont Rates Them.

[Dagosa]

And look how much they got done!!!!! More than any professional politician ever has!!!!!

Yup, they managed to run up record deficits, ramped criminality and have their usual recessions.

 

[Dragonlady]

And look how much they got done!!!!! More than any professional politician ever has!!!!!

Yes, look at all of those National Emergencies Trump declared but failed to resolve. All of the trade wars he started and didn't finish.

Trump passed the least amount of legislation in history. Botched the covid response, crashed the economy, and set race relations back 60 years. You're right, few Presidents have done so much damage to the country.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

SassyIrishLass

I guess criminal activity by their admins has no bearing on the rankings.

8n the future do not call me to threads, moron. I don't give a damn what you're blabbering about

 

[rightwinger]

8n the future do not call me to threads, moron. I don't give a damn what you're blabbering about

Agree
Sassy will not understand anyway

 

[Dragonlady]

Agree
Sassy will not understand anyway

Poor thing is the product of home schooling. There is little she understands.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Greatest

JFK, all downhill from there. Trump and Reagan were decent but horribly limited

The biggest fucking disasters were: LBJ, the Bushes, Clinton, Obama

 

[Richard-H]

I go back to Eisenhower

1. Ike
2. Obama
3. Reagan
4. LBJ
5. JFK
6. Clinton
7. Bush 41
8. Nixon
9. Ford
10. Carter
11. Bush 43
12. Trump

I will withhold ranking Biden until he has completed a term.
Right now, I would tentatively put him around Bush 41

Ike may have been overwhelmingly popular, but he was without a doubt the second worst President - it's hard to say whether he or Trump was worse.

Ike DESTROYED democracy in the 'Third World'. We're still suffering conflicts because of that. His foreign policy was a total disaster. He changed the world's view of America from being the heroes of the world - the country that saved the world from fascism and which was supposed to spread democracy, to the country that was the strong arm of European colonialism.

Ike was responsible for the Vietnam war.
Ike was responsible for the Cuban Revolution.
Ike was responsible for the current conflict we have with Iran.
The list goes on and on.

What's more is that if you believe that it was impossible for Oswald to have shot Kennedy (which it was), and if you consider the amount of coordination to commit the assassination, and the cover up that followed, it can only be concluded that it must have been a conspiracy within the U.S. government and in that case it HAD to have had Ike's approval. There's no way anyone would have dared assassinate Kennedy of Ike didn't buy into it.

On the other hand, Trump tried to destroy democracy here in America.

It's a toss up as to which of these two was worse.

 

[Dragonlady]

Greatest

JFK, all downhill from there. Trump and Reagan were decent but horribly limited

The biggest fucking disasters were: LBJ, the Bushes, Clinton, Obama

And yet you oppose everything JFK stood for, and which LBJ passed after his death.

 

[rightwinger]

What's more is that if you believe that it was impossible for Oswald to have shot Kennedy (which it was), and if you consider the amount of coordination to commit the assassination, and the cover up that followed, it can only be concluded that it must have been a conspiracy within the U.S. government and in that case it HAD to have had Ike's approval. There's no way anyone would have dared assassinate Kennedy of Ike didn't buy into it.

All I had to read

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And yet you oppose everything JFK stood for, and which LBJ passed after his death.

Don't take it personally but you are just plain fucking retarded.

It was IKE who tried to pass a Civil Rights Bill but Senate Majority Racist KKK LBJ suffocated it in the Senate

 

[Richard-H]

All I had to read

You should re-study the Kennedy assassination. Ignore all the false flag conspiracy theories.

Just concentrate on what is not physically possible. All that can be definitely concluded is that Oswald did not assassinate Kennedy.

If Oswald did not assassinate him, then the extent of the assassination and it's cover up required massive coordination between government agencies. That could not have happened without Ike's O.K.

Just the fact that there was never an investigation into the murder by the Dallas police or anyone else shows the extent of the coordination.

 

[Dagosa]

8n the future do not call me to threads, moron. I don't give a damn what you're blabbering about

8n, is that code for something ?

 

[Dagosa]

Ike may have been overwhelmingly popular, but he was without a doubt the second worst President - it's hard to say whether he or Trump was worse.

Ike DESTROYED democracy in the 'Third World'. We're still suffering conflicts because of that. His foreign policy was a total disaster. He changed the world's view of America from being the heroes of the world - the country that saved the world from fascism and which was supposed to spread democracy, to the country that was the strong arm of European colonialism.

Ike was responsible for the Vietnam war.
Ike was responsible for the Cuban Revolution.
Ike was responsible for the current conflict we have with Iran.
The list goes on and on.

What's more is that if you believe that it was impossible for Oswald to have shot Kennedy (which it was), and if you consider the amount of coordination to commit the assassination, and the cover up that followed, it can only be concluded that it must have been a conspiracy within the U.S. government and in that case it HAD to have had Ike's approval. There's no way anyone would have dared assassinate Kennedy of Ike didn't buy into it.

On the other hand, Trump tried to destroy democracy here in America.

It's a toss up as to which of these two was worse.

It’s always been a race to the bottom for repugnant administrations . All tried to out do eachother in criminality and incompetence.

 

[rightwinger]

You should re-study the Kennedy assassination. Ignore all the false flag conspiracy theories.

Just concentrate on what is not physically possible. All that can be definitely concluded is that Oswald did not assassinate Kennedy.

If Oswald did not assassinate him, then the extent of the assassination and it's cover up required massive coordination between government agencies. That could not have happened without Ike's O.K.

Just the fact that there was never an investigation into the murder by the Dallas police or anyone else shows the extent of the coordination.

Oswald read in the newspaper that the JFK motorcade would pass in front of the Depository where he worked. So he brought his gun to work, fired three shots and blew JFKs brains out.

No other the theory has any credibility.

 

[Richard-H]

Oswald read in the newspaper that the JFK motorcade would pass in front of the Depository where he worked. So he brought his gun to work, fired three shots and blew JFKs brains out.

No other the theory has any credibility.

I don't mean to derail this thread, but if that's all you know about the JFK assassination, then you know nothing.

Did you ever wonder why Oswald, a former radar technician was doing working as a laborer in a book depository? Back in those days radar techs made great $$$.

Did you ever wonder how Oswald could have made it from the second floor kitchen to the top floor, fire thru trees, and then back to the kitchen in a matter of just a few seconds?

Did you ever wonder why the Secret Service choose to turn onto Elm street instead of just going thru Dealey Plaza on Main St.? Elm St. just merges back onto Main St. - Main st. goes right thru Dealey Plaza and make an ideal parade route.

Or why the rifle that detectives found in the book repository was of a different manufacturer and model than the one Oswald was pictured with, and accused of using in the assassination?

Or how he could have shot officer Tibbit on one side of Dallas, made it home to change his clothes, and made it to the movie theater where he was arrested in a matter of minutes?

Or how likely a Presidential assassin would force his way into a movie theater at gun point, then sit quietly in the balcony? He had a job. He could have just paid for a ticket and he never would have been found.

 

[playtime]

best? not sure.

worst?

donny.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't mean to derail this thread, but if that's all you know about the JFK assassination, then you know nothing.

Did you ever wonder why Oswald, a former radar technician was doing working as a laborer in a book depository? Back in those days radar techs made great $$$.

Did you ever wonder how Oswald could have made it from the second floor kitchen to the top floor, fire thru trees, and then back to the kitchen in a matter of just a few seconds?

Or why the rifle that detectives found in the book repository was of a different manufacturer and model than the one Oswald was pictured with, and accused of using in the assassination?

Or how he could have shot officer Tibbit on one side of Dallas, made it home to change his clothes, and made it to the movie theater where he was arrested in a matter of minutes?

Or how likely a Presidential assassin would force his way into a movie theater at gun point, then sit quietly in the balcony? He had a job. He could have just paid for a ticket and he never would have been found.

Did you ever wonder why all the misinformation you get from conspiracy theories is so damned wrong?

Oswalds Carcano Carbine was the same one he used to try to assassinate Gen Walker, the same one he ordered from a surplus catalog, the same one he was pictured with and the same one they found on the sixth floor of the Schoolbook Depository. When they went to Oswald’s house, his wife went to get his rifle and it was gone.

Oswald was an asshole who did not get along with others, that is why he ended up with a low wage job.

 

[Richard-H]

Did you ever wonder why all the misinformation you get from conspiracy theories is so damned wrong?

Oswalds Carcano Carbine was the same one he used to try to assassinate Gen Walker, the same one he ordered from a surplus catalog, the same one he was pictured with and the same one they found on the sixth floor of the Schoolbook Depository. When they went to Oswald’s house, his wife went to get his rifle and it was gone.

Oswald was an asshole who did not get along with others, that is why he ended up with a low wage job.

Oswald met regularly with the Dallas district FBI director. He was working as an informant for the FBI trying to infiltrate the local Dallas mafia. That's why he had a relationship with Ruby. That's why he was working as a laborer...it was his cover.

The Dallas police couldn't be trusted. After all it was Dallas police officer that gave Ruby the gun that he used to kill Oswald. If Oswald had lived he could have proved that he was working for the FBI. Then the whole conspiracy would have fallen apart.

Maybe you should research this a bit more.

 

[rightwinger]

Oswald met regularly with the Dallas district FBI director. He was working as an informant for the FBI trying to infiltrate the local Dallas mafia. That's why he had a relationship with Ruby. That's why he was working as a laborer...it was his cover.

The Dallas police couldn't be trusted. After all it was Dallas police officer that gave Ruby the gun that he used to kill Oswald. If Oswald had lived he could have proved that he was working for the FBI. Then the whole conspiracy would have fallen apart.

Maybe you should research this a bit more.

More crazy misinformation

Oswald took his gun to work, fired three shots and blew JFKs brains out

No other explanation makes sense
Oswald acted alone

Can’t be disputed

 

[Dagosa]

I don't mean to derail this thread, but if that's all you know about the JFK assassination, then you know nothing.

Did you ever wonder why Oswald, a former radar technician was doing working as a laborer in a book depository? Back in those days radar techs made great $$$.

Did you ever wonder how Oswald could have made it from the second floor kitchen to the top floor, fire thru trees, and then back to the kitchen in a matter of just a few seconds?

Did you ever wonder why the Secret Service choose to turn onto Elm street instead of just going thru Dealey Plaza on Main St.? Elm St. just merges back onto Main St. - Main st. goes right thru Dealey Plaza and make an ideal parade route.

Or why the rifle that detectives found in the book repository was of a different manufacturer and model than the one Oswald was pictured with, and accused of using in the assassination?

Or how he could have shot officer Tibbit on one side of Dallas, made it home to change his clothes, and made it to the movie theater where he was arrested in a matter of minutes?

Or how likely a Presidential assassin would force his way into a movie theater at gun point, then sit quietly in the balcony? He had a job. He could have just paid for a ticket and he never would have been found.

Like that’s all fact that’s relevant. Another one of those grassy knoll conspiracy theories, right ? Got that from the checkout counter ?