Bernie wants a $7.20 minimum wage

[pknopp]

College will be paid for with a tax on trades. Wall Street has got billions. Seems a fair way to spread it around.

How is Trump paying for his increased military spending?

Cost is over $1.3trn. Tax on what trades? How many trades are there? What’s the tax? He will pay for it by attacking entitlements hopefully

Read it. I can't explain it all to you here. Not that it would make a difference.

Also....you didn't answer my question. Seems to be a habit around here.

How Bernie Sanders would cancel all student loan debt

Don't expect me to care about your issues with this when you don't hold your politicians to the same standard.

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

All trades. Bernie comes up with an idea and a plan. He provides a way to pay for it. You complain it's vague.

The alternative is lies.

Trump vowed to cut the national debt ‘very quickly.’ It just hit a record $22 trillion.

Now it's 23 trillion.

How many is that? What %? How much money will that be? He never provides specific. Never ever. So will my 401K and IRA get hit when I make trades? Specifics are important. I am Disappointed that DJT has not attacked our deficit and debt, not sure how
Many more times you want me to repeat that but Sanders would double it if not triple it.

So will it be OK if he does that and I note that I am "dissapointed"?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

If the Federal government could do math there would not be a $30 trillion dollar debt.

Let's just say they are "special" and would be better served if they wore crash helmets in the chambers of Congress.

If Bush didn’t go into Iraq and Obama didn’t spend like a drunken sailor our debt would be around $10trn

Trump is continuing to spend at Obama's rate.

Please tell us what new debt President Obama created that wasn't a direct or indirect result of Bush actions and policies.

The bail outs of the auto industry for one. I can come up with a lot if you wish. Such as his wars with Syria and Libya but we can start with the auto bail outs.

You might argue that they were a result of the economy but not really. They had these underlying issues that were going to come to a head sooner or later. These actions also directly led to Hillary losing Michigan.

He gave corporations billions but when people who were suffering with poisoned drinking water asked for help they were told to pound sand.

They weren’t bail outs. They were govt issued debt and that has been repaid with interest and if they didn’t “bail them out” then our economy would
Have collapsed. Need me to explain why?

 

[pknopp]

Read it. I can't explain it all to you here. Not that it would make a difference.

Also....you didn't answer my question. Seems to be a habit around here.

How Bernie Sanders would cancel all student loan debt

Don't expect me to care about your issues with this when you don't hold your politicians to the same standard.

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

If the Federal government could do math there would not be a $30 trillion dollar debt.

Let's just say they are "special" and would be better served if they wore crash helmets in the chambers of Congress.

If Bush didn’t go into Iraq and Obama didn’t spend like a drunken sailor our debt would be around $10trn

Trump is continuing to spend at Obama's rate.

Yes and that is unfortunate. But he is stuck paying interest on debt he inherited from Bush and Obama

He is doing pretty much the same things Obama did.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Cost is over $1.3trn. Tax on what trades? How many trades are there? What’s the tax? He will pay for it by attacking entitlements hopefully

Read it. I can't explain it all to you here. Not that it would make a difference.

Also....you didn't answer my question. Seems to be a habit around here.

How Bernie Sanders would cancel all student loan debt

Don't expect me to care about your issues with this when you don't hold your politicians to the same standard.

My politicians? I have Vilified DJT here nonstop for the deficit spend.

When you refuse to answer a question you give yourself away.

I did Answer it? What are you talking about?

You answered how Trump was going to pay for his increased military spending?

I did. I said he is going to cut entitlements and his increase is not that much compared to his predecessor and military spend increases job in the private sector. Do you know how many military sub contractors we have and how many workers they employs? NG, Lockheed, MITRE, etc. and how many sub contractors they employ? Military spend isn’t the issue. It is entitlements and waste spend. If we fire every third person in the EPA, I bet it would function just as well. Same with the IRS.

 

[jknowgood]

So easily duped you are.

Did Sanders Propose Raising Taxes to 52% on Incomes Over $29,000?

The thing is, you knew this had been debunked but still felt like you have to post it.

But lets argue it was true. It's a heck of a deal. Minimum wage now is $7.25. So in this scenario people would get $7.20 but also get health care. That's a really good deal.

According to your article, assuming it is true because Snopes is a far left source:

BUTTIGIEG: [Sanders] was a congressman at the time. And the qualities I admired then are qualities I still respect a great deal. I never said that I agree with every part of his policy views, then or now. But I appreciate that at least he’s straightforward and honest about them. He’s honest about the fact that taxes will go up on anybody making more than $29,000 to fund his health care plan, although, again, a little bit vague about how the rest of that gets …

SANDERS: You’re not being honest. Premiums would be eliminated.

BUTTIGIEG: But you’re still raising those taxes. And when you do it…

SANDERS: But we’re saving people money because they don’t pay any premiums, out-of-pocket expenses, co-payments, or deductibles. They’re going to be much better off. [applause]

BUTTIGIEG: But where is — where is the other $25 trillion supposed to come from? At a certain point, you’ve got to do the math.

SANDERS: Well, we got it all up there on the internet. It’s a payroll tax — a payroll tax…

[crosstalk]

BUTTIGIEG: Well, no, but even after the payroll tax, you still have a hole.

[crosstalk]

SANDERS: Because we have a wealth tax. Elizabeth [Warren] has a good one. Ours is a little bit tougher on Mr. Bloomberg than hers. We’re going to raise it in a progressive way, which deals with income and wealth inequality, and makes certain, finally, that health care in this country is a human right, not a privilege.

So Sanders is going to pay for all this from the "rich"? The combined wealth of Billionaires is only $2.4 trillion and could only fund the US federal government about half a year.

Let's say that is true. That is not the claim being made. We give the super rich billions of dollars from the Fed. That should indeed be shared.

You could take all of the wealthy people' money and it still wouldn't be enough.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Cost is over $1.3trn. Tax on what trades? How many trades are there? What’s the tax? He will pay for it by attacking entitlements hopefully

Read it. I can't explain it all to you here. Not that it would make a difference.

Also....you didn't answer my question. Seems to be a habit around here.

How Bernie Sanders would cancel all student loan debt

Don't expect me to care about your issues with this when you don't hold your politicians to the same standard.

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

All trades. Bernie comes up with an idea and a plan. He provides a way to pay for it. You complain it's vague.

The alternative is lies.

Trump vowed to cut the national debt ‘very quickly.’ It just hit a record $22 trillion.

Now it's 23 trillion.

How many is that? What %? How much money will that be? He never provides specific. Never ever. So will my 401K and IRA get hit when I make trades? Specifics are important. I am Disappointed that DJT has not attacked our deficit and debt, not sure how
Many more times you want me to repeat that but Sanders would double it if not triple it.

So will it be OK if he does that and I note that I am "dissapointed"?

Absolutely but only if you don’t expect that but he is going to easily double it with his UH, free college, college debt forgiveness, free daycare and green new deal. The math doesn’t work and that’s why he won’t provide specifics.

 

[pknopp]

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

If the Federal government could do math there would not be a $30 trillion dollar debt.

Let's just say they are "special" and would be better served if they wore crash helmets in the chambers of Congress.

If Bush didn’t go into Iraq and Obama didn’t spend like a drunken sailor our debt would be around $10trn

Trump is continuing to spend at Obama's rate.

Please tell us what new debt President Obama created that wasn't a direct or indirect result of Bush actions and policies.

The war was stupid. TARP monies were repaid with interest. Here is a nice link for you. And by your logic this is not Trumps deficit but Bushs and Obama’s? OK
How Much Did Obama Add to the Nation's Debt?

Tarp was NOT repaid with interest. Tarp was repaid inpart with other government programs like Harp.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

If the Federal government could do math there would not be a $30 trillion dollar debt.

Let's just say they are "special" and would be better served if they wore crash helmets in the chambers of Congress.

If Bush didn’t go into Iraq and Obama didn’t spend like a drunken sailor our debt would be around $10trn

Trump is continuing to spend at Obama's rate.

Yes and that is unfortunate. But he is stuck paying interest on debt he inherited from Bush and Obama

He is doing pretty much the same things Obama did.

So then you vilified Obama for his 8 yrs in office? That is fair. I think it is tough to attack entitlements in ones first term but in his 2nd term, Obama should have. Very disappointing.

 

[MAGAman]

Wrong.
All countries have public health care, and their doctors are paid more than in the US.
That is because half of what we pay goes to insurance company over head, such as the huge staff doctors have to have to be able to fill out all the different insurance forms.

Nope.

Not even close.

A small fraction goes to insurance companies.

Doctors immigrate to America to make money. They rarely leave.

Socialism increases bureaucracy several times more than an insurance company's size and expense.

Bernies Soviet Healthcare is about control, power, and greed. Not healthcare

 

[pknopp]

Read it. I can't explain it all to you here. Not that it would make a difference.

Also....you didn't answer my question. Seems to be a habit around here.

How Bernie Sanders would cancel all student loan debt

Don't expect me to care about your issues with this when you don't hold your politicians to the same standard.

My politicians? I have Vilified DJT here nonstop for the deficit spend.

When you refuse to answer a question you give yourself away.

I did Answer it? What are you talking about?

You answered how Trump was going to pay for his increased military spending?

I did. I said he is going to cut entitlements and his increase is not that much compared to his predecessor and military spend increases job in the private sector. Do you know how many military sub contractors we have and how many workers they employs? NG, Lockheed, MITRE, etc. and how many sub contractors they employ? Military spend isn’t the issue. It is entitlements and waste spend. If we fire every third person in the EPA, I bet it would function just as well. Same with the IRS.

You make excuses so I will be able to do the same. You don't care but you expect me to care. It doesn't work that way.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If the Federal government could do math there would not be a $30 trillion dollar debt.

Let's just say they are "special" and would be better served if they wore crash helmets in the chambers of Congress.

If Bush didn’t go into Iraq and Obama didn’t spend like a drunken sailor our debt would be around $10trn

Trump is continuing to spend at Obama's rate.

Please tell us what new debt President Obama created that wasn't a direct or indirect result of Bush actions and policies.

The war was stupid. TARP monies were repaid with interest. Here is a nice link for you. And by your logic this is not Trumps deficit but Bushs and Obama’s? OK
How Much Did Obama Add to the Nation's Debt?

Tarp was NOT repaid with interest. Tarp was repaid inpart with other government programs like Harp.

Bullshit. All the banks repaid that debt and with interest. All of them and all of it. Banks repaid TARP funds using capital raised from the issuance of equity securities and debt not guaranteed by the federal government. ... However, PNC reversed course on February 2, 2010, by issuing $3 billion in shares and $1.5-2 billion in senior notes in order to pay its TARP funds back.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

My politicians? I have Vilified DJT here nonstop for the deficit spend.

When you refuse to answer a question you give yourself away.

I did Answer it? What are you talking about?

You answered how Trump was going to pay for his increased military spending?

I did. I said he is going to cut entitlements and his increase is not that much compared to his predecessor and military spend increases job in the private sector. Do you know how many military sub contractors we have and how many workers they employs? NG, Lockheed, MITRE, etc. and how many sub contractors they employ? Military spend isn’t the issue. It is entitlements and waste spend. If we fire every third person in the EPA, I bet it would function just as well. Same with the IRS.

You make excuses so I will be able to do the same. You don't care but you expect me to care. It doesn't work that way.

If we spend $0 on the military we would still have a deficit. The military is not the problem. And the military creates a ton of jobs. Millions. Entitlements create nothing but wasteful spend.

 

[pknopp]

So easily duped you are.

Did Sanders Propose Raising Taxes to 52% on Incomes Over $29,000?

The thing is, you knew this had been debunked but still felt like you have to post it.

But lets argue it was true. It's a heck of a deal. Minimum wage now is $7.25. So in this scenario people would get $7.20 but also get health care. That's a really good deal.

According to your article, assuming it is true because Snopes is a far left source:

BUTTIGIEG: [Sanders] was a congressman at the time. And the qualities I admired then are qualities I still respect a great deal. I never said that I agree with every part of his policy views, then or now. But I appreciate that at least he’s straightforward and honest about them. He’s honest about the fact that taxes will go up on anybody making more than $29,000 to fund his health care plan, although, again, a little bit vague about how the rest of that gets …

SANDERS: You’re not being honest. Premiums would be eliminated.

BUTTIGIEG: But you’re still raising those taxes. And when you do it…

SANDERS: But we’re saving people money because they don’t pay any premiums, out-of-pocket expenses, co-payments, or deductibles. They’re going to be much better off. [applause]

BUTTIGIEG: But where is — where is the other $25 trillion supposed to come from? At a certain point, you’ve got to do the math.

SANDERS: Well, we got it all up there on the internet. It’s a payroll tax — a payroll tax…

[crosstalk]

BUTTIGIEG: Well, no, but even after the payroll tax, you still have a hole.

[crosstalk]

SANDERS: Because we have a wealth tax. Elizabeth [Warren] has a good one. Ours is a little bit tougher on Mr. Bloomberg than hers. We’re going to raise it in a progressive way, which deals with income and wealth inequality, and makes certain, finally, that health care in this country is a human right, not a privilege.

So Sanders is going to pay for all this from the "rich"? The combined wealth of Billionaires is only $2.4 trillion and could only fund the US federal government about half a year.

Let's say that is true. That is not the claim being made. We give the super rich billions of dollars from the Fed. That should indeed be shared.

You could take all of the wealthy people' money and it still wouldn't be enough.

You can address what I said or not. Why is it that only a few should benefit from the creation of billions and billions when they do nothing to get that wealth?

 

[pknopp]

Read it. I can't explain it all to you here. Not that it would make a difference.

Also....you didn't answer my question. Seems to be a habit around here.

How Bernie Sanders would cancel all student loan debt

Don't expect me to care about your issues with this when you don't hold your politicians to the same standard.

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

All trades. Bernie comes up with an idea and a plan. He provides a way to pay for it. You complain it's vague.

The alternative is lies.

Trump vowed to cut the national debt ‘very quickly.’ It just hit a record $22 trillion.

Now it's 23 trillion.

How many is that? What %? How much money will that be? He never provides specific. Never ever. So will my 401K and IRA get hit when I make trades? Specifics are important. I am Disappointed that DJT has not attacked our deficit and debt, not sure how
Many more times you want me to repeat that but Sanders would double it if not triple it.

So will it be OK if he does that and I note that I am "dissapointed"?

Absolutely but only if you don’t expect that but he is going to easily double it with his UH, free college, college debt forgiveness, free daycare and green new deal. The math doesn’t work and that’s why he won’t provide specifics.

Fine, like you, I don't really care.

 

[The Original Tree]

LIES

A vote for Sanders is a Vote for The USSR and Economic Collapse.

Sanders is a Liar and Scumbag Communist and so are his followers.

The cost is $200 Trillion for all of his Pinko Commie Con Jobs.

How are we going to pay for it? There is no way to pay for it.

You bankrupt America

College will be paid for with a tax on trades. Wall Street has got billions. Seems a fair way to spread it around.

How is Trump paying for his increased military spending?

Cost is over $1.3trn. Tax on what trades? How many trades are there? What’s the tax? He will pay for it by attacking entitlements hopefully

Read it. I can't explain it all to you here. Not that it would make a difference.

Also....you didn't answer my question. Seems to be a habit around here.

How Bernie Sanders would cancel all student loan debt

Don't expect me to care about your issues with this when you don't hold your politicians to the same standard.

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

If you do not vote for Sanders, then you bankrupt the US.
That is because health insurance premiums are raising at over 15% a year, and make production and overseas sales of US products, impossible.
Only the Medicare for all approach of Bernie Sanders will save us enough money so that we can restore US competitiveness in the global market.

 

[pknopp]

If the Federal government could do math there would not be a $30 trillion dollar debt.

Let's just say they are "special" and would be better served if they wore crash helmets in the chambers of Congress.

If Bush didn’t go into Iraq and Obama didn’t spend like a drunken sailor our debt would be around $10trn

Trump is continuing to spend at Obama's rate.

Yes and that is unfortunate. But he is stuck paying interest on debt he inherited from Bush and Obama

He is doing pretty much the same things Obama did.

So then you vilified Obama for his 8 yrs in office? That is fair. I think it is tough to attack entitlements in ones first term but in his 2nd term, Obama should have. Very disappointing.

I have said many times that I understood why people voted for Bush the first time. Not the second time.

I understood why people voted for Obama the first time, not the second.

Same with Trump. People made the same excuses for Obama. Trump isn't going to follow through either. If you believe something, do it. Don't do the opposite. Trump's budgets are the opposite of what he promised.

 

[The Original Tree]

No he doesn’t. He says it will cost $30trn for Medicare for all but doesn’t say how much he will tax everyone to garner that. He doesn’t say how he will pay for debt forgiveness for all college debt and how he will pay for all daycare — $1.5trn. You’re voting for him? Wow! Interesting.

College will be paid for with a tax on trades. Wall Street has got billions. Seems a fair way to spread it around.

How is Trump paying for his increased military spending?

Cost is over $1.3trn. Tax on what trades? How many trades are there? What’s the tax? He will pay for it by attacking entitlements hopefully

Read it. I can't explain it all to you here. Not that it would make a difference.

Also....you didn't answer my question. Seems to be a habit around here.

How Bernie Sanders would cancel all student loan debt

Don't expect me to care about your issues with this when you don't hold your politicians to the same standard.

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

All trades. Bernie comes up with an idea and a plan. He provides a way to pay for it. You complain it's vague.

The alternative is lies.

Trump vowed to cut the national debt ‘very quickly.’ It just hit a record $22 trillion.

Now it's 23 trillion.

Sanders wants to increase The National Debt to $200 Trillion. Sell your home and move to Mexico.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Plan is vague. How many trades? What’s the $$ value? What’s the tax %? He is vague on purpose as he doesn’t know the math.

All trades. Bernie comes up with an idea and a plan. He provides a way to pay for it. You complain it's vague.

The alternative is lies.

Trump vowed to cut the national debt ‘very quickly.’ It just hit a record $22 trillion.

Now it's 23 trillion.

How many is that? What %? How much money will that be? He never provides specific. Never ever. So will my 401K and IRA get hit when I make trades? Specifics are important. I am Disappointed that DJT has not attacked our deficit and debt, not sure how
Many more times you want me to repeat that but Sanders would double it if not triple it.

So will it be OK if he does that and I note that I am "dissapointed"?

Absolutely but only if you don’t expect that but he is going to easily double it with his UH, free college, college debt forgiveness, free daycare and green new deal. The math doesn’t work and that’s why he won’t provide specifics.

Fine, like you, I don't really care.

I care very much. Nice talk.

 

[pknopp]

When you refuse to answer a question you give yourself away.

I did Answer it? What are you talking about?

You answered how Trump was going to pay for his increased military spending?

I did. I said he is going to cut entitlements and his increase is not that much compared to his predecessor and military spend increases job in the private sector. Do you know how many military sub contractors we have and how many workers they employs? NG, Lockheed, MITRE, etc. and how many sub contractors they employ? Military spend isn’t the issue. It is entitlements and waste spend. If we fire every third person in the EPA, I bet it would function just as well. Same with the IRS.

You make excuses so I will be able to do the same. You don't care but you expect me to care. It doesn't work that way.

If we spend $0 on the military we would still have a deficit. The military is not the problem. And the military creates a ton of jobs. Millions. Entitlements create nothing but wasteful spend.

The military is a part of the problem. We have spent trillions dropping bombs to then have to rebuild what we destroyed. We then complain that our infrastructure is failing. Really, you don't see that as a problem?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If Bush didn’t go into Iraq and Obama didn’t spend like a drunken sailor our debt would be around $10trn

Trump is continuing to spend at Obama's rate.

Yes and that is unfortunate. But he is stuck paying interest on debt he inherited from Bush and Obama

He is doing pretty much the same things Obama did.

So then you vilified Obama for his 8 yrs in office? That is fair. I think it is tough to attack entitlements in ones first term but in his 2nd term, Obama should have. Very disappointing.

I have said many times that I understood why people voted for Bush the first time. Not the second time.

I understood why people voted for Obama the first time, not the second.

Same with Trump. People made the same excuses for Obama. Trump isn't going to follow through either. If you believe something, do it. Don't do the opposite. Trump's budgets are the opposite of what he promised.

Give me a better option. Bernie isn’t it. I do not like or agree with Socialism.