Bernie: Communist, Socialist, Liberal, or Progressive?

[PoliticalChic]

Time for a medial review?


7. "Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.


Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



So.....wadda' ya' think....

Socialist?

Progressive?

Communist?

Liberal?




Depends what day of the week it is.

 

[HenryBHough]

I'm hoping Nutty Old Uncle Bernie will be the Democrat Party nominee!!!

It's looking more and more like "The (former) Republican Party" will do the dirty and anoint some establishment lap dog and that even Trump will not go independent.

So if The Democrat Party (I say it that way for a reason so STFU!) does go totally, barkingly (excuse that, a cheap shot but a fun one) mad and nominates Mrs. Rodham-Clinton/Lewinsky then there's no place to hide.

With NOUB, however, we can at least have the option of voting for some good laughs! Of course just writing him in would have a certain swat but better it could be a grand-slam.

OK, so that's bullshit - but it's higher grade bullshit than anything YOU got (whoever you may be).

 

[Mac1958]

American.

 

[Agit8r]

Distributist

Yup...I agree.

But you didn't g

Distributist

Yup.....I agree.

1. But you didn't describe what that means in socialist/communist terms.

It means to distribute what others have earned to those who cannot or will not participate in the earning.

Only capitalism does that correctly.


2. From Dennis Prager:

1. While the Judeo-Christian society labels actions as ‘good’ or ‘evil,’ due to morality and/or self-control, the Left sees the results as due to material inequality, i.e., violent crime due to poverty.
2. The Left has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world.
3. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it.

It is a Judeo-Christian humanist concept

Distributism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Funny....you Leftists hate religion....but now your trying to describe the political system as if it were a theology.


But....in that case, mull this over:

1. The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder." David Mamet

I'm just describing reality as it presents itself.

Bernie Sanders explains his 'spiritual feelings' - CNN Video

 

[PoliticalChic]

Distributist

Yup...I agree.

But you didn't g

Distributist

Yup.....I agree.

1. But you didn't describe what that means in socialist/communist terms.

It means to distribute what others have earned to those who cannot or will not participate in the earning.

Only capitalism does that correctly.


2. From Dennis Prager:

1. While the Judeo-Christian society labels actions as ‘good’ or ‘evil,’ due to morality and/or self-control, the Left sees the results as due to material inequality, i.e., violent crime due to poverty.
2. The Left has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world.
3. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it.

It is a Judeo-Christian humanist concept

Distributism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Funny....you Leftists hate religion....but now your trying to describe the political system as if it were a theology.


But....in that case, mull this over:

1. The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder." David Mamet

I'm just describing reality as it presents itself.

Bernie Sanders explains his 'spiritual feelings' - CNN Video

Reality???

Nah.....this is reality:

1."Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006


2. And this is reality:
Capitalism is based on the Judeo-Christian version of religion: one is rewarded, profits, by serving others.
If one doesn't do a good job of serving others, one goes out of business.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm hoping Nutty Old Uncle Bernie will be the Democrat Party nominee!!!

It's looking more and more like "The (former) Republican Party" will do the dirty and anoint some establishment lap dog and that even Trump will not go independent.

So if The Democrat Party (I say it that way for a reason so STFU!) does go totally, barkingly (excuse that, a cheap shot but a fun one) mad and nominates Mrs. Rodham-Clinton/Lewinsky then there's no place to hide.

With NOUB, however, we can at least have the option of voting for some good laughs! Of course just writing him in would have a certain swat but better it could be a grand-slam.

OK, so that's bullshit - but it's higher grade bullshit than anything YOU got (whoever you may be).

"I'm hoping Nutty Old Uncle Bernie will be the Democrat Party nominee!!!"

Could be.....over 65 million dunces voted for the current Communist, Socialist, Liberal, Progressive Democrat.

 

[Militants]

Liberal / Progressive / Fascist / Marxist are top four best of mine favorites for sure.

"....mine favorites...."


Hmmmm.....sounds a lot like Mein Kampf.

Goes with your previous post.

Liberal / Marxist / Progressive this way off course you like it very much!

I’d have to be Queequeg to interpret that post!

What.

 

[Militants]

Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



So.....wadda' ya' think....

Socialist?

Progressive?

Communist?

Liberal?




Depends what day of the week it is.

All these are maybe true !!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Liberal / Progressive / Fascist / Marxist are top four best of mine favorites for sure.

"....mine favorites...."


Hmmmm.....sounds a lot like Mein Kampf.

Goes with your previous post.

Liberal / Marxist / Progressive this way off course you like it very much!

I’d have to be Queequeg to interpret that post!

What.

Surely you meant to post "What?"


Punctuation makes quite a difference.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Time for a medial review?


7. "Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.


Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



So.....wadda' ya' think....

Socialist?

Progressive?

Communist?

Liberal?




Depends what day of the week it is.

Nope! I don't think you match any of those economic and political archetypes! I think you're just a lonely and confused person with an enormous void in your character crippled by your narcissistic infatuation, from which you suffer everyday of the week.

Have a Nice Day, Chica!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



So.....wadda' ya' think....

Socialist?

Progressive?

Communist?

Liberal?




Depends what day of the week it is.

All these are maybe true !!

I actually agree with your post!

But....it's "may be," and the import of the list is undeniable.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Time for a medial review?


7. "Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.


Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



So.....wadda' ya' think....

Socialist?

Progressive?

Communist?

Liberal?




Depends what day of the week it is.

Nope! I don't think you match any of those economic and political archetypes! I think you're just a lonely and confused person with an enormous void in your character crippled by your narcissistic infatuation, from which you suffer everyday of the week.

Have a Nice Day, Chica!

The only part of your post that is correct and accurate is this part: "...I don't think..."

 

[Camp]

[QUOTE="PoliticalChic, post: 13794884, member: 12394"



1. " [At] the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
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A distortion. Note the claim that a basically civil rights group is communist because a House Committee investigated it

This is an evasion from answering the original question about how a system that allows private ownership and free market, socialism, with one that doesn't, communism.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Time for a medial review?


7. "Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.


Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



So.....wadda' ya' think....

Socialist?

Progressive?

Communist?

Liberal?




Depends what day of the week it is.

Nope! I don't think you match any of those economic and political archetypes! I think you're just a lonely and confused person with an enormous void in your character crippled by your narcissistic infatuation, from which you suffer everyday of the week.

Have a Nice Day, Chica!

The only part of your post that is correct and accurate is this part: "...I don't think..."

AH HA! You can read my name and can see that I have posted to you,. Maybe NOW you will have the courage to respond to this FIFTH POSTING of mine last week responding to your false assertions of the "consubstantiality" of your "abysmal six" economic and political systems, et al. Do you have the courage to standup and admit your errors or are you going to again hide in the depths of your perfidy like a quivering little girl? And, yes, this post is DIRECTLY related to your OP's "abysmal six" in the second line.
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My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.

By equating far disparate political and economic philosophies, which may share only limited commonalities, into a single group and characterizing them as, what was the word you used in your post to which I'm responding, consubstantial - meaning of the same substance or essence, is blatantly ABSURD. You just love to remove context from the scene to make the canvas over after your own distorted image of the World, HUH Chica!

Let's examine two of your abysmal six, fascism and liberalism and see if their widely accepted definitions in the Oxford (US) dictionary verify your assertion of consubstantiality.

fascist
practicing or supporting fascism

fascism
1 An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
1.1 (In general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

liberal
1 Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values
1.1 Favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms
1.2 (In a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform
1.3 (Liberal) Of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
1.4 (Liberal) (In the UK) relating to the Liberal Democrat Party
1.5 Theology Regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.

liberalism
The holding of liberal views

The definitions above from < Oxford Dictionaries definitions (american_english) (US) >

I don't see any match or commonality in essence or substance, any consubstantiality between the definitions of liberal or liberalism and fascist or fascism, one to the other. As a matter of fact, there is a very wide disparity, certainly and absolutely no match in substance or essence, so at least two conclusions can be derived from the above logical argument.

First, your long held assertion that, "Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism are all Leftists political doctrines....." you posted and so many times prior is FALSE. Second, that you don't understand/comprehend the meaning of the $20 word "consubstantial", and which leads me to believe you're Catholic, Chica. Perhaps we have at least that in common!

Have a nice Day, Chica!

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Looking forward to you responding this time AND with substance germane to the topics in the post you have been so diligent to avoid. If you don't, well folks can and will see what a dishonest and cowardly LIAR you truly are.

Really, Have a Nice Day, Chica!

 

[Dot Com]

It is my point.

And your post is proof that you cannot argue the point.

Flamers rarely argue the point

I'm always amused how deeply the truth irks and irritates the indoctrinated.

I'm always amused by someone who has posted nearly 50,000 times on the same message board for close to 8 years now and yet still doesn't know how to do anything but cut and paste.

You'd think with all that free time you have, you know since you're not actually being a productive member of society, you'd have figured out how to at least form your own opinion by this point.

Yet it still gets under your skin, huh?

Must be doing something right.

Under my skin? Hardly! Quite the opposite in fact.

This place and your posts are comedy gold. I come here to have a laugh and appreciate the fact that I'm not you.

I'm actually thinking of printing our your posts and turning them in to a book so I can read them anytime!

I only give her svrivenings a brief look if I want a good belly laugh as well

Sent from my VS415PP using Tapatalk

 

[oreo]

Getcha 'Program! Can't Tell The Players Widdout' A Program!
The players are communists, socialists, Progressives, Liberals, fascists and Nazis.
They all play for the same team.


Time to dispel the propaganda and embrace the reality: We can quibble over exactly who is who...but any difference between them is simply how dedicated each is to Leftism....that means how far each will go:
a. will they simply deprive opponents of rights, such as respect, or free speech, or one's livelihood...

b. .....or will they round 'em up, put 'em in camps....all the way up to starvation and slaughter.
Of course....that may merely depend on how much power they have in society.



Today....let's look at Bernie Sanders....socialist? Communist? Progressive? Or...Liberal?
Getcha' program!



1. " [At] the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

2. ...graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post


a. Eugene Victor Debs, Bernie's paragon: "... Debs agreed with the left wing of the Socialist Party—people like Bill Haywood and Mother Jones, who would help found the Industrial Workers of the World (the 'Wobblies). They advocated workers taking control where the power of the ruling class was rooted—in the factories. ... Within the SP, members had very different ideas about socialism and how it would be achieved. Some believed in socialism as a steady increase in social reforms achieved by socialists being elected to political office—others looked to a revolutionary transformation of society.....

Eventually, those leftists who remained in the SP quit to help form a new Communist Party on the model of what Lenin and the Bolsheviks had built in Russia. Debs, while he supported the Russian Revolution and remained a revolutionary, nonetheless stayed in the SP." Socialism according to Eugene V. Debs


Still imagine there is any great difference between socialists and communists....and Bernie?

After praising one of the most brutal, murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century, Fidel Castro. Sanders has got to be a Communist. (I used to think he was a socialist, but changed my mind after knowing this.) No politician right or left in this country, that was in their right mind, would have ever done that.
Sanders in 1985: Castro ‘Educated Their Kids, Gave Their Kids Health Care, Totally Transformed Society’

A quick lesson on Socialism:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."Winston Churchill

 

[PoliticalChic]

What would a Communist, Socialist, Liberal, Progressive- Democrat do if elected commissar...er, President?


8."Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua and other communist states to America.

For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects.

Price tag: $18 trillion.

Who will pay for it all? You will. Sanders plans to not only soak the rich with a 90 percent-plus tax rate, while charging Wall Street a “speculation tax,” but hit every American with a “global-warming tax.”

Of course, even that wouldn’t cover the cost of his communist schemes; a President Sanders would eventually soak the middle class he claims to champion. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, right?



9. Sanders and his Sanderistas are all still pining for what Debs called “the Greater Revolution yet to come.”

What’s revolting is how this hardcore commie’s campaign has gotten this far. With his ascendancy in both Iowa and New Hampshire, Sanders is no longer just a fool; he’s now a dangerous fool.

While it may be hard to hate the old codger, it’s easy — and virtuous — to hate his un-American ideas. They should be swept into the dustbin with the rest of communist history."
Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post


So.....do you have to be a communist to vote Democrat.....?




No...but it helps.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Bernie is a social democrat, more to the right then the social democrats in other countries.

 

[Dovahkiin]

He isn't communist. He believes in BIG government.
I would say socialist.
I saw someone say he was a progressive socialist.
Ummmmm, socialism isn't progress

Socialism has nothing to do with the government. It has everything to do with the populace owning the "means of production." I disagree with this and find it to be silly, but a quick examination of the history of socialism leads to my conclusion.

 

[TNHarley]

He isn't communist. He believes in BIG government.
I would say socialist.
I saw someone say he was a progressive socialist.
Ummmmm, socialism isn't progress

Socialism has nothing to do with the government. It has everything to do with the populace owning the "means of production." I disagree with this and find it to be silly, but a quick examination of the history of socialism leads to my conclusion.

disagree with what?