Bennet & Portman bipartisan bill directs DOJ to place all the proceeds taken from the liquidation of Russian assets into a Ukrainian relief fund

[RodISHI]

the constitution doesn’t apply to just citizens. It applies to everyone here

So do the rules and laws pertaining to US Treasury notes. Again, don't use them if you are a thug or a terrorist with the belief that you will be able to access that system while you are doing those acts that are forbidden by LAW.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

the constitution doesn’t apply to just citizens. It applies to everyone here

The Russian Oligarch's who are having their assets seized are not "here".

 

[struth]

So do the rules and laws pertaining to US Treasury notes. Again, don't use them if you are a thug or a terrorist with the belief that you will be able to access that system while you are doing those acts that are forbidden by LAW.

agreed, amd before the US Govt can convict you of violating the law you get due process

i am not sure why you are so opposed to due process

 

[struth]

The Russian Oligarch's who are having their assets seized are not "here".

there property is, and thus subject to due process before it can be taken

 

[Big Bend Texas]

agreed, amd before the US Govt can convict you of violating the law you get due process

i am not sure why you are so opposed to due process

Under federal law your money can be "arrested" even if you aren't convicted of any crime.

 

[RodISHI]

Right now we're seizing their assets, I'm good with that.

I'm good with it too. These thugs that believe that they can do their acts openly or covertly without immediate consequences for their actions need to be taken to task and stripped bare.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

there property is, and thus subject to due process before it can be taken

Under federal law it can be seized without any due process.

 

[struth]

Under federal law your money can be "arrested" even if you aren't convicted of any crime.

seized yes, and then there is a forfeiture hearing…ue due process

 

[struth]

Under federal law it can be seized without any due process.

seized yes, but before it becomes property of the govt there is a hearing

 

[Big Bend Texas]

seized yes, but before it becomes property of the govt there is a hearing

The burden of proof is on the person who's assets are seized to show they were not gained through criminal activity.

There is no real "due process".

 

[RodISHI]

seized yes, and then there is a forfeiture hearing…ue due process

No one stated that there would not be due process.

 

[struth]

No one stated that there would not be due process.

ok, so why are you arguing with me and suggesting it’s not needed? all i said is so long as there is due process i’m all for this

 

[struth]

The burden of proof is on the person who's assets are seized to show they were not gained through criminal activity.

There is no real "due process".

that’s incorrect. The burden is o the govt to make that showing.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

that’s incorrect. The burden is o the govt to make that showing.

Not in the case of these seizures, it's really screwed up for citizens when it happens.

Asset Seizure and Forfeiture: A Basic Guide | FBI: Law Enforcement Bulletin

This article provides a basic understanding of asset seizure and forfeiture, including investigative techniques and best practices for law enforcement.

leb.fbi.gov

About the Asset Forfeiture Program (AFP)

www.justice.gov

It can be virtually impossible to recover your money and property under these types of seizures.

 

[struth]

Not in the case of these seizures, it's really screwed up for citizens when it happens.

Asset Seizure and Forfeiture: A Basic Guide | FBI: Law Enforcement Bulletin

This article provides a basic understanding of asset seizure and forfeiture, including investigative techniques and best practices for law enforcement.

leb.fbi.gov

About the Asset Forfeiture Program (AFP)

www.justice.gov

It can be virtually impossible to recover your money and property under these types of seizures.

your article talks about how a warrant is required through a seizure.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

your article talks about how a warrant is required through a seizure.

Cash seizures are done every day on highways all across the US.



This is but one of thousands of such stops every year.

 

[struth]

Cash seizures are done every day on highways all across the US.



This is but one of thousands of such stops every year.

yeah and they can seize property as evidence or when they arrest someone. That’s called due process.

A forfeiture, where the property can actually change ownership the given to ukraine is not the same as merely seizing the property to be used as evidence.

but due process is required in both

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Another great example.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

yeah and they can seize property as evidence or when they arrest someone. That’s called due process.

A forfeiture, where the property can actually change ownership the given to ukraine is not the same as merely seizing the property to be used as evidence.

but due process is required in both

He wasn't arrested or cited for anything, they just seized his cash with no warrant like they do thousands of times every year during traffic stops.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

yeah and they can seize property as evidence or when they arrest someone. That’s called due process.

A forfeiture, where the property can actually change ownership the given to ukraine is not the same as merely seizing the property to be used as evidence.

but due process is required in both

It isn't seized for evidence in these cases, there's no arrest, no charge, no probable cause or even reasonable suspicion of the individuals committing a crime.