Belicheat did not retire when Brady left and wont because of his own selfishness.

[Dagosa]

Belicheat should have retired when Brady left.It makes no sense whatsoever why he would keep coaching when you are WRONGFULLY BILLED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA as the greatest coach of all time the fact he cannot win without Brady having had 4 losing seasons in 5 years with cleveland and now 3 out of 4 losing seasons without Brady and a losing season his first year as pats coach without Brady.

You would think that having won more superbowl trophys than any other coach that that would be more than satisfying to retire especially sense he has been unable to win without Brady but the real reason WHY he wont hang it up is because of his own selfishness, He wants Don Shulas all time wins record sense that would be further ammunition for the lamestream media to call him the greatest coach of all time. He does not care if he has one losing season after another and hurts the teams he coaches in the process because of his own personal selfishness to get the record.

the lamestream media like ESPN they never mention that little fact about him having four losing seasons in five years with the cleveland browns when calling him the greatest coach of all time and that he has been unable to win without Brady sense it shreads apart their narrative that he is not that good a coach and exposes him as an average at best coach.

I called this like 15 years ago that once Brady retired,the same thing would happen to him that happened to Mike Shannahan,same as shannahan he has been exposed as the overrated hack coach he is.The media always called Shannahan a great coach as well but once Elway retired,he was exposed that he was not that great a coach,same thing as i said back then would happen to Belicheat HAS indeed happened.

yet despite how it was all brady and very little Belicheat,we STILL see threads like this being made calling him the greatest coach of all time.

Who will replace Bill Belichick?

Without a doubt, the greatest football coach of our time, much like Vince Lombardi and Knute Rockne were back in the day. I think he's pretty much irreplaceable. Maybe New England needs to bring Tom Brady back as head coach, no one knows the Belichick system better...

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Insignificant. It’s a professional sport which represents the epitome of capitalism.People are encouraged to sell their services. So isn’t about BB its about the people who buy it. Let it go. It’s the leagues problem, not ours. These guys all ride into the sunset.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Belicheat should have retired when Brady left.It makes no sense whatsoever why he would keep coaching when you are WRONGFULLY BILLED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA as the greatest coach of all time the fact he cannot win without Brady having had 4 losing seasons in 5 years with cleveland and now 3 out of 4 losing seasons without Brady and a losing season his first year as pats coach without Brady.

You would think that having won more superbowl trophys than any other coach that that would be more than satisfying to retire especially sense he has been unable to win without Brady but the real reason WHY he wont hang it up is because of his own selfishness, He wants Don Shulas all time wins record sense that would be further ammunition for the lamestream media to call him the greatest coach of all time. He does not care if he has one losing season after another and hurts the teams he coaches in the process because of his own personal selfishness to get the record.

the lamestream media like ESPN they never mention that little fact about him having four losing seasons in five years with the cleveland browns when calling him the greatest coach of all time and that he has been unable to win without Brady sense it shreads apart their narrative that he is not that good a coach and exposes him as an average at best coach.

I called this like 15 years ago that once Brady retired,the same thing would happen to him that happened to Mike Shannahan,same as shannahan he has been exposed as the overrated hack coach he is.The media always called Shannahan a great coach as well but once Elway retired,he was exposed that he was not that great a coach,same thing as i said back then would happen to Belicheat HAS indeed happened.

yet despite how it was all brady and very little Belicheat,we STILL see threads like this being made calling him the greatest coach of all time.

Who will replace Bill Belichick?

Without a doubt, the greatest football coach of our time, much like Vince Lombardi and Knute Rockne were back in the day. I think he's pretty much irreplaceable. Maybe New England needs to bring Tom Brady back as head coach, no one knows the Belichick system better...

www.usmessageboard.com

There's a thread started about lebron james being the all time scoring leader
Is that worse than belichick wanting the victories?

 

[22lcidw]

There were also 8 teams in the league and it wasn’t nearly as popular so it did draw the best athletes. There was no such thing as a salary cap or nearly the other distractions to deal with. Belichick > Lombardi.

Football is tough no matter the era. The running quarterback in that era would have not lasted long and they did not. The league slowly changed the rules towards the offense as hitting was at a premium no matter what. Athletes today are better and faster. Mahomes would be a paraplegic if he played in that era. There were a couple of tougher ones that were runners and passers in the 1980's and 1990's like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham. The game then was somewhat changed from the 1960's as the game today is massively changed from that era. Young and Cunningham would thrive today.

 

[rightwinger]

Football is tough no matter the era. The running quarterback in that era would have not lasted long and they did not. The league slowly changed the rules towards the offense as hitting was at a premium no matter what. Athletes today are better and faster. Mahomes would be a paraplegic if he played in that era. There were a couple of tougher ones that were runners and passers in the 1980's and 1990's like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham. The game then was somewhat changed from the 1960's as the game today is massively changed from that era. Young and Cunningham would thrive today.

No, they were not “tougher” back then

Todays players are bigger, faster and stronger.
QBs today are stronger, much faster, throw farther, are more elusive and run a more complex offense

 

[Couchpotato]

Football is tough no matter the era. The running quarterback in that era would have not lasted long and they did not. The league slowly changed the rules towards the offense as hitting was at a premium no matter what. Athletes today are better and faster. Mahomes would be a paraplegic if he played in that era. There were a couple of tougher ones that were runners and passers in the 1980's and 1990's like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham. The game then was somewhat changed from the 1960's as the game today is massively changed from that era. Young and Cunningham would thrive today.

Dude. If Lamar Jackson were magically transported back to the 1960's he'd look like a cheat code. He's as bigger than defensive linemen were back then just twice as fast and athletically gifted. Oh and has a cannon for an arm. Whichever team he were on would go undefeated for a decade. Same will Allen or Mahomes. You're perspective is skewed because you look at these guys standing next to lineman who are 6'5" 350. Its not different than when people think a guy like Steph Curry is small. For the NBA he is but not compared to the general public.

 

[22lcidw]

Dude. If Lamar Jackson were magically transported back to the 1960's he'd look like a cheat code. He's as bigger than defensive linemen were back then just twice as fast and athletically gifted. Oh and has a cannon for an arm. Whichever team he were on would go undefeated for a decade. Same will Allen or Mahomes. You're perspective is skewed because you look at these guys standing next to lineman who are 6'5" 350. Its not different than when people think a guy like Steph Curry is small. For the NBA he is but not compared to the general public.

So, you are saying that era is minor league compared to today. This era of tougher people where the league delay games due to weather and never did in that era. Or someone has a kid and must be there and not at the game even if he makes millions of dollars a year. I do not believe running quarterbacks would be quite as successful in that era. The rules to make hits was open season. I also know the players as a whole are better, faster and bigger now. Perhaps too much exercise even as seen from some of the injuries.

 

[Couchpotato]

So, you are saying that era is minor league compared to today. This era of tougher people where the league delay games due to weather and never did in that era. Or someone has a kid and must be there and not at the game even if he makes millions of dollars a year. I do not believe running quarterbacks would be quite as successful in that era. The rules to make hits was open season. I also know the players as a whole are better, faster and bigger now. Perhaps too much exercise even as seen from some of the injuries.

You’re fooling yourself. No one would have been able to hit Jackson. They were too slow. They can barely hit him now. Josh Allen? He’s 6’5’ 250. That’s 30 lbs heavier than the average OLman in the 60s. Who do you think is getting punished more Allen or the 175lb LB with a cleat print on their chest after Allen trucks them? Athletes today are bigger faster and stronger at every position on the field. They are more athletic. They are more skilled. They have been practicing their craft for decades, it’s not a part time job. The SB champ in 65 would get smashed by the worst team in the league this year and I don’t care which rules you use. Unless lining it up and just running it down your throat was illegal then. How about WR running right by the DBs was that illegal? Even teams from the 80s would struggle with modern teams.

 

[Dagosa]

So, you are saying that era is minor league compared to today. This era of tougher people where the league delay games due to weather and never did in that era. Or someone has a kid and must be there and not at the game even if he makes millions of dollars a year. I do not believe running quarterbacks would be quite as successful in that era. The rules to make hits was open season. I also know the players as a whole are better, faster and bigger now. Perhaps too much exercise even as seen from some of the injuries.

Some of biggest differences between yesterdays athletes and todays, is the training, diets and preparation. The number of athletes including Hank Aaron, Roger Maris and others who ended their careers as smokers is astounding for example. Put some of them on todays game fields today with those health and prep advantages, they would still be outstanding.

 

[Couchpotato]

Some of biggest differences between yesterdays athletes and todays, is the training, diets and preparation. The number of athletes including Hank Aaron, Roger Maris and others who ended their careers as smokers is astounding for example. Put some of them on todays game fields today with those health and prep advantages, they would still be outstanding.

Maybe. You're judging their skill based on them playing other people who had shit training and health practices vs today's athletes who are playing against guys who dont. Some people can perform in spite of their health/training practices those people would have excelled in that era more so than they would in an era where that advantage is taken away.

 

[Dagosa]

Maybe. You're judging their skill based on them playing other people who had shit training and health practices vs today's athletes who are playing against guys who dont. Some people can perform in spite of their health/training practices those people would have excelled in that era more so than they would in an era where that advantage is taken away.

Not even close…..without modern training and skill development, they would not stand a chance. Half of them smoked, we’re out of shape and had shitty diets. The babe lived from one drink to another and Mickey Mantle was half in the bag much if the time. Mantle missed 1/4 of a season due to an infection when chasing Maris home run record that the modern medicines would have him out of the hospital in a week.

These guys never had the condensed practice and skill development through pitching machines in baseball and weakness scouting reports in all sports. Nope, they were great athletes and could easily compete in the modern but would have to change their ways.

In all professional sports, un dedicated people fall by the wayside….Old timers would too without adopting modern ways.

 

[22lcidw]

Maybe. You're judging their skill based on them playing other people who had shit training and health practices vs today's athletes who are playing against guys who dont. Some people can perform in spite of their health/training practices those people would have excelled in that era more so than they would in an era where that advantage is taken away.

Is it possible for the human body to have too much physical training? Where it may break down easier in certain parts of it with physical interactions? What if players are training above human specs, like a machine that has those same tolerances? There are too many injuries today. Non-contact ones.

 

[Couchpotato]

Not even close…..without modern training and skill development, they would not stand a chance. Half of them smoked, we’re out of shape and had shitty diets. The babe lived from one drink to another and Mickey Mantle was half in the bag much if the time. Mantle missed 1/4 of a season due to an infection when chasing Maris home run record that the modern medicines would have him out of the hospital in a week.

These guys never had the condensed practice and skill development through pitching machines in baseball and weakness scouting reports in all sports. Nope, they were great athletes and could easily compete in the modern but would have to change their ways.

In all professional sports, un dedicated people fall by the wayside….Old timers would too without adopting modern ways.

That's my point. But you cant know that they would have been exponentially better do to that heathcare and training. That they excell dispite the lack of it does not translate to them being as good as modern players because of it. It's not linear.

 

[Couchpotato]

Is it possible for the human body to have too much physical training? Where it may break down easier in certain parts of it with physical interactions? What if players are training above human specs, like a machine that has those same tolerances? There are too many injuries today. Non-contact ones.

Sure that's possible. I kinda of doubt that modern PRO athletes arent getting the best training we can currently provide at optimal amounts, and intensity. You dont invest millions of dollars in a person and then not spend the money to protect that asset.

 

[Dagosa]

Sure that's possible. I kinda of doubt that modern PRO athletes arent getting the best training we can currently provide at optimal amounts, and intensity. You dont invest millions of dollars in a person and then not spend the money to protect that asset.

Exactly….

 

[Dagosa]

That's my point. But you cant know that they would have been exponentially better do to that heathcare and training. That they excell dispite the lack of it does not translate to them being as good as modern players because of it. It's not linear.

My point has been, that yesterdays athletes would do well with that provision. But realize too, the population increase provides a much greater pool of athletes, in baseball basketball and foot ball. Look at the football draft and the number of schools with great programs that have all used weight training for example that earlier athletes never did. The strength and speed differences are enormous for athletes coming into professional sports. A long term smoker doesn’t stand a chance, and many of them were.

In basketball, the inclusion of all races and European athletes. The Latino baseball players are now dominating professional baseball when that competition was never realized just a few decades ago.

The old time player's did not face the competition growing up with AAU and other athletic outlets…..either.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Football is tough no matter the era. The running quarterback in that era would have not lasted long and they did not. The league slowly changed the rules towards the offense as hitting was at a premium no matter what. Athletes today are better and faster. Mahomes would be a paraplegic if he played in that era. There were a couple of tougher ones that were runners and passers in the 1980's and 1990's like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham. The game then was somewhat changed from the 1960's as the game today is massively changed from that era. Young and Cunningham would thrive today.

Dude why did you single out Mahomes? Anybody with a Memory knows the same applies to Brady,that had he played in that era he also would have been a paraplegic.it’s not only a joke the msm media calls Belicheat the greatest coach of all time it’s just as much a joke they call brady the greatest quarterback of all time the fact he played in an era where quarterbacks have skirts on them and defenses are not allowed to play defense ,brady is a wuss,he would not have even lasted one season in the nfl in that era.shady brady could not even take a small hit to the knee without going down for the entire year. What a wuss.

If he could not even take a mere hit to the knee without going down fir an entire season,just think how long he would have lasted in the NFL in that era where quarterbacks were thrown around like ragdolls,not one season,everybody on this board knows that,the brady worshippers whose names I won’t mention are in denial mode on this and can’t accept pesky facts.

Brady had the luxury of coming into the NFL on the heels of the retirement of Dan Marino and Jim Kelly playing in the weakest division in the league,teams that any high school team could beat every year.had he played in the same era that Marino and Kelly played in,the cheatriots would never have even made it to one Super Bowl having to face two future hall of fame coach’s and quarterbacks in his same division twice a year.

And as I said earlier,the facts are had brady played in the same era of Marino and Kelly he would not have even lasted one season,back then Marino and Kelly had to take the same hit to the knee that brady took on a regular every week basis week to week and they did not go and whine to the nfl commissioner to relax the rules on hits to the quarterback to protect them either.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Had brady played in the era where nfl players wore pigskins fir helmets,forget shady brady lasting one season in the NFL,he wouldn’t have even lasted one game.that’s why it’just as much a joke when the msm media calls him the greatest quarterback of all time same as it’s a joke they call Belicheat the greatest coach of all time. So enough of this brady is the greatest quarterback of all time and belicheat is the greatest coach crap already.b shady brady isn’t even one of the top 20 greatest ever let alone the greatest of all time having played in an era where quarterbacks have skirts on them and avoiding having to play in the same era that Kelly and Mario did where he would have had to face top notch competition.

Brady is the greatest modern day quarterback to have played the game in the last 20 years but enough of this bull ship crap greatest of all time,the msm media also called Montana the greatest quarterback of all time when he was playing which was also NOT true,so enough of this crap that he is the greatest of all time bs,give it a rest already.

 

[Dagosa]

Dude why did you single out Mahomes? Anybody with a Memory knows the same applies to Brady,that had he played in that era he also would have been a paraplegic.it’s not only a joke the msm media calls Belicheat the greatest coach of all time it’s just as much a joke they call brady the greatest quarterback of all time the fact he played in an era where quarterbacks have skirts on them and defenses are not allowed to play defense ,brady is a wuss,he would not have even lasted one season in the nfl in that era.shady brady could not even take a small hit to the knee without going down for the entire year. What a wuss.

If he could not even take a mere hit to the knee without going down fir an entire season,just think how long he would have lasted in the NFL in that era where quarterbacks were thrown around like ragdolls,not one season,everybody on this board knows that,the brady worshippers whose names I won’t mention are in denial mode on this and can’t accept pesky facts.

Brady had the luxury of coming into the NFL on the heels of the retirement of Dan Marino and Jim Kelly playing in the weakest division in the league,teams that any high school team could beat every year.had he played in the same era that Marino and Kelly played in,the cheatriots would never have even made it to one Super Bowl having to face two future hall of fame coach’s and quarterbacks in his same division twice a year.

And as I said earlier,the facts are had brady played in the same era of Marino and Kelly he would not have even lasted one season,back then Marino and Kelly had to take the same hit to the knee that brady took on a regular every week basis week to week and they did not go and whine to the nfl commissioner to relax the rules on hits to the quarterback to protect them either.

It’s call free agency. It keeps every team from keeping their best players long term. Brady won because Belichik and Kraft convinced him to work for peanuts and spend money on free agent line men and defensive studs to keep them competitive. Players travel all over the place every three years. The patriots won because they had a great QB work for peanuts and player the free agency market better than anyone.

 

[Dagosa]

Had brady played in the era where nfl players wore pigskins fir helmets,forget shady brady lasting one season in the NFL,he wouldn’t have even lasted one game.that’s why it’just as much a joke when the msm media calls him the greatest quarterback of all time same as it’s a joke they call Belicheat the greatest coach of all time. So enough of this brady is the greatest quarterback of all time and belicheat is the greatest coach crap already.b shady brady isn’t even one of the top 20 greatest ever let alone the greatest of all time having played in an era where quarterbacks have skirts on them and avoiding having to play in the same era that Kelly and Mario did where he would have had to face top notch competition.

Brady is the greatest modern day quarterback to have played the game in the last 20 years but enough of this bull ship crap greatest of all time,the msm media also called Montana the greatest quarterback of all time when he was playing which was also NOT true,so enough of this crap that he is the greatest of all time bs,give it a rest already.

Example of of Jim Brown regarded as best running back of all times. He was 6.2” 230 lb and ran a 4.5 40..
very big and very fast.….for that time. It’s a passing game now and Jim would probably be an all star Tight end or slot receiver now….running backs are now expendable and /or fourth receivers.

 

[Dagosa]

Is it possible for the human body to have too much physical training? Where it may break down easier in certain parts of it with physical interactions? What if players are training above human specs, like a machine that has those same tolerances? There are too many injuries today. Non-contact ones.

Ha ha….just the opposite is true. Most of the public isn’t active enough. Look at their fat asses.
Over training for athletes is monitored by all teams…can’t tell you about kids