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[P F Tinmore]

1.How does Zionism stopped the Palestinians in the past to establish a state of their own, or even today?​

Excellent question.

In 1948 over 80 Palestinian leaders got together, formed a government, and declared independence inside their own defined territory. They did not need permission from anyone to do so. Their declaration was in complete compliance with international law and the UN charter. Even though recognition by other states is not required, Palestine was recognized by five other states. Nobody has the authority to rescind this declaration nor has anyone attempted to do so.

External interference is the only thing preventing the Palestinians from exercising their rights.

So why are you missing out that these 80arab muslims where all from arab league nations like Egypt and Syria and not one was from Palestine.

1) Link?
2) Israel's declaration was by people from Europe so what is your point?

Their declaration was against international law and the UN charter as part of the land had already been declared by Israel.

Oh really? What land did Israel define in its declaration?

The same 5 states that the 80 leaders came from ?

What does it matter?

The UN had the authority to ignore the request and turn it down flat, which they did as it broke the spirit and the word on the UN charter.

How so? Link?

As well as being too late to hit the deadline

What deadline? Link?

Why was 1948 too late and 1988 was not?

1) All-Palestine Government - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Though jurisdiction of the Government was declared to cover the whole of the former Mandatory Palestine, its effective jurisdiction was limited to the Gaza Strip.[2] The Prime Minister of the Gaza-seated administration was Ahmed Hilmi Pasha, and the President was Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former chairman of the Arab Higher Committee.

2) They were the ones accepted to represent the Jewish people by the UN and the LoN

3) the land granted to them under the LoN mandate for Palestine and the UN partition plan

4) See No 1

5) See No 1

The partition plan flopped. It did not give any land to anyone. Other than that I don't see anything addressing my post.

Then put some glasses on and you will, or do you want me to post it in farsi, Urdu or Arabic for you.

The partition plan worked, it was the arab muslims that failed

You are ducking the question.

Oh really? What land did Israel define in its declaration?

 

[toastman]

So why are you missing out that these 80arab muslims where all from arab league nations like Egypt and Syria and not one was from Palestine.

1) Link?
2) Israel's declaration was by people from Europe so what is your point?

Their declaration was against international law and the UN charter as part of the land had already been declared by Israel.

Oh really? What land did Israel define in its declaration?

The same 5 states that the 80 leaders came from ?

What does it matter?

The UN had the authority to ignore the request and turn it down flat, which they did as it broke the spirit and the word on the UN charter.

How so? Link?

As well as being too late to hit the deadline

What deadline? Link?

Why was 1948 too late and 1988 was not?

1) All-Palestine Government - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Though jurisdiction of the Government was declared to cover the whole of the former Mandatory Palestine, its effective jurisdiction was limited to the Gaza Strip.[2] The Prime Minister of the Gaza-seated administration was Ahmed Hilmi Pasha, and the President was Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former chairman of the Arab Higher Committee.

2) They were the ones accepted to represent the Jewish people by the UN and the LoN

3) the land granted to them under the LoN mandate for Palestine and the UN partition plan

4) See No 1

5) See No 1

The partition plan flopped. It did not give any land to anyone. Other than that I don't see anything addressing my post.

Then put some glasses on and you will, or do you want me to post it in farsi, Urdu or Arabic for you.

The partition plan worked, it was the arab muslims that failed

You are ducking the question.

Oh really? What land did Israel define in its declaration?

How many times do I have to show you that even the Palestinians used the partition plan to declare independence in 1988 ???

 

[MJB12741]

A single state, either Israeli or palestinian is highly unlikely. Two state is not possible yet, the palestinians are too divided. Israeli control over the WB is a possibility if the PA cannot form a new government. Until gaza ends hamas domination there will be no real peace with the PA, egypt or Israel.
Jordan does not want the WB or it's population. They would rather see Israel control the valley.
The only future is with palestinian cooperation, one state, two state, no state, what ever.
Israel has already shown it's willingness for a palestinian state under the right circumstances.

Unless & until the Pali's elect a unfied government who wants peace with Israel, there will remain a No State solution for the Palestinians.

 

[montelatici]

There will never be state for the Palestinians, the Israelis would never allow it. Israel will remain an Apartheid state until it enfranchises all the people it rules over and controls.

 

[MJB12741]

There will never be state for the Palestinians, the Israelis would never allow it. Israel will remain an Apartheid state until it enfranchises all the people it rules over and controls.

Isn't it sad how not even their own Arab brothers in the surrounding Arab countries want to help their Palestinians? Golly gee, why is that?

 

[montelatici]

Did the states neighboring Apartheid South Africa invite the South African non-whites to settle in their states. In any case, neither the South African non-whites nor the Palestinians want to leave their native lands, South Africa or Palestine respectively.

 

[Phoenall]

There will never be state for the Palestinians, the Israelis would never allow it. Israel will remain an Apartheid state until it enfranchises all the people it rules over and controls.

Then they cant be recognised as a state can they, which means all your posts on the subject are LIES

 

[toastman]

Did the states neighboring Apartheid South Africa invite the South African non-whites to settle in their states. In any case, neither the South African non-whites nor the Palestinians want to leave their native lands, South Africa or Palestine respectively.

When will you realize that the South Africa comparison does not apply to this?

 

[Phoenall]

Did the states neighboring Apartheid South Africa invite the South African non-whites to settle in their states. In any case, neither the South African non-whites nor the Palestinians want to leave their native lands, South Africa or Palestine respectively.

When will you realize that the South Africa comparison does not apply to this?

It is deflection and spamming and should be reported as such

 

[montelatici]

Did the states neighboring Apartheid South Africa invite the South African non-whites to settle in their states. In any case, neither the South African non-whites nor the Palestinians want to leave their native lands, South Africa or Palestine respectively.

When will you realize that the South Africa comparison does not apply to this?

Why not. It is the perfect analogy. The only difference is that the Europeans colonized the area in the 1600s.

 

[Phoenall]

Did the states neighboring Apartheid South Africa invite the South African non-whites to settle in their states. In any case, neither the South African non-whites nor the Palestinians want to leave their native lands, South Africa or Palestine respectively.

When will you realize that the South Africa comparison does not apply to this?

Why not. It is the perfect analogy. The only difference is that the Europeans colonized the area in the 1600s.

Still OFF TOPIC DEFLECTION, SPAMMING AND TROLLING and when the Europeans invaded and colonised the land should not matter if you are being honest

 

[toastman]

Did the states neighboring Apartheid South Africa invite the South African non-whites to settle in their states. In any case, neither the South African non-whites nor the Palestinians want to leave their native lands, South Africa or Palestine respectively.

When will you realize that the South Africa comparison does not apply to this?

Why not. It is the perfect analogy. The only difference is that the Europeans colonized the area in the 1600s.

There is no comparison between Israel and South Africa. Why don't you do a little research and find out

There will never be state for the Palestinians, the Israelis would never allow it. Israel will remain an Apartheid state until it enfranchises all the people it rules over and controls.

Israel cannot 'remain' an Apartheid state because Israel isn't an Apartheid state to begin with. If Israel was an Apartheid state, then Arab citizens would not be able to vote, join the IDF and they certainly would not be able to be part of the government. Calling Israel an Apartheid state is simply part of the Palestinian propaganda campaign.

 

[montelatici]

Your logic would claim that South Africa was not an Apartheid state because the non-Jews that could not vote were citizens of the Bantustans. No propaganda about it, just fact.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Your logic would claim that South Africa was not an Apartheid state because the non-Jews that could not vote were citizens of the Bantustans. No propaganda about it, just fact.

toastman is referring to Israel proper, while monte is referring to the Palestinian territories. That's why you guys keep going around in circles.

 

[montelatici]

I am talking about the people under Israeli control. Apartheid South Africa had control over the citizens of the Bantustans, hence it was an Apartheid state.

 

[toastman]

Your logic would claim that South Africa was not an Apartheid state because the non-Jews that could not vote were citizens of the Bantustans. No propaganda about it, just fact.

What? Not even close Monti.

There is no Apartheid inside Israel proper. Arab citizens have the same rights as Jewish citizens. If an Arab wants to open a business, he can. If an Arab wants to go to university,, he can. If an Arab wants to become a doctor, he can. If an Arab wants to join the army, he can. Stop reading from anti - Israel propaganda sites, they are messing with your brain. Your perspective of Israel is extremely distorted, just like the other deluded pro Palestinians here.

 

[toastman]

I am talking about the people under Israeli control. Apartheid South Africa had control over the citizens of the Bantustans, hence it was an Apartheid state.

A state cannot be an Apartheid state if there is no Apartheid IN the state.

 

[montelatici]

Your logic would claim that South Africa was not an Apartheid state because the non-Jews that could not vote were citizens of the Bantustans. No propaganda about it, just fact.

What? Not even close Monti.

There is no Apartheid inside Israel proper. Arab citizens have the same rights as Jewish citizens. If an Arab wants to open a business, he can. If an Arab wants to go to university,, he can. If an Arab wants to become a doctor, he can. If an Arab wants to join the army, he can. Stop reading from anti - Israel propaganda sites, they are messing with your brain. Your perspective of Israel is extremely distorted, just like the other deluded pro Palestinians here.

Israel rules over all the Palestinians in the former Palestine. Israel practices Apartheid. That's just a fact.

I don't ever venture in Palestinian sites, the only propaganda sites I read are Hasbara sites, like you do. As you know, my sources are 90% UN archives.

 

[toastman]

Your logic would claim that South Africa was not an Apartheid state because the non-Jews that could not vote were citizens of the Bantustans. No propaganda about it, just fact.

What? Not even close Monti.

There is no Apartheid inside Israel proper. Arab citizens have the same rights as Jewish citizens. If an Arab wants to open a business, he can. If an Arab wants to go to university,, he can. If an Arab wants to become a doctor, he can. If an Arab wants to join the army, he can. Stop reading from anti - Israel propaganda sites, they are messing with your brain. Your perspective of Israel is extremely distorted, just like the other deluded pro Palestinians here.

Israel rules over all the Palestinians in the former Palestine. Israel practices Apartheid. That's just a fact.

I don't ever venture in Palestinian sites, the only propaganda sites I read are Hasbara sites, like you do. As you know, my sources are 90% UN archives.

What you post here is not necessarily what you read. Given all the propaganda you post here on a daily basis, I have no doubt that you poison your mind with anti Israel propaganda sites. You regurgitate the same Palestinian garbage over and over.
Sure, you post some factual information from non biased sites concerning statistics and other stuff. But it doesn't make up for all the lies and propaganda you spew.

 

[toastman]

BTW, Israel does not 'rule' over Palestinians . That's the wrong word. Gaza is ruled by Hamas.