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He was removed because as leader of OPEC he was raising oil prices, during a time when the West was suffering from economic turmoil. Keep up, knucklehead.
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He was removed because as leader of OPEC he was raising oil prices, during a time when the West was suffering from economic turmoil. Keep up, knucklehead.
Leave Georgie Boy alone. He's depressed that Israel hasn't 'vanished from the pages of time' like he said a few days ago.
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He was removed because as leader of OPEC he was raising oil prices, during a time when the West was suffering from economic turmoil. Keep up, knucklehead.
>> The Shah was instrumental in the oil price rises in the 1970's. During the sixties the Shah resisted pressure to raise oil prices. As the biggest OPEC exporter Iran had a critical role. By the early seventies some of his more well informed advisers started telling him that the oil that was being sold, was way under priced from its real market value. The global oil industry had been for a long time controlled by a the 'Seven Sisters'--Western oil companies, and the Shah's economic advisers told him that the $2.8 a barrel price around 1971, was tantamount to selling the oil at mineral water rates, with the bulk of the profits from the 'mineral water sale' going to Western oil companies. The 1973 Arab/Israeli war, and the Arab defeat again, with the Americans overtly supporting the Israelis, the Arab OPEC producers decided to act, and the Shah for different reasons joined them. In 1971 it was $2.8 a barrel, and by 1979 it was I think around $40 a barrel. A lot of people in the West were not happy with the Shah as the largest OPEC producer--5.5 million barrels.<<Making Enemies | The American Conservative
For the people of Iran it was about rushing to fast to western ways and minimizing the place of religion in the lives of the people. They are informed, motivated and incited to action from the mosques, and universities. Iranian revolution was about creating a theocracy instead of a monarchy.
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Bernard Lewis's contribution to ISIS:
Map was proposed by Professor Bernard Lewis in 1979
>>He formally proposed the fragmentation and balkanization of Iran along regional, ethnic and linguistic lines especially among the Arabs of Khuzestan (the Al-Ahwaz project), the Baluchis (the Pakhtunistan project), the Kurds (the Greater Kurdistan project) and the Azarbaijanis (the Greater Azarbaijan Project). <<
It was soon after the Iranian Revolution, when fears of oil supplies were high.
"In 2002 Lewis wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal regarding the build up to the Iraq War, entitled 'Time for toppling', where he stated his opinion that 'a regime change may well be dangerous, but sometimes the dangers of inaction are greater than those of action.' [46]
"In 2007, Jacob Weisberg has described Lewis as 'perhaps the most significant intellectual influence behind the invasion of Iraq'.[47]
"Michael Hirsh has attributed to him the view that regime change in Iraq would provide a jolt that would 'modernize the Middle East' and suggested that Lewis' allegedly 'Orientalist' theories about 'What Went Wrong' in the Middle East, and other writings, formed the intellectual basis of the push towards war in Iraq."
Bernard Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Are you depressed Israel's good friend, the dictator of Iran, got exactly what he deserved?He was removed because as leader of OPEC he was raising oil prices, during a time when the West was suffering from economic turmoil. Keep up, knucklehead.He was removed because he hated democracy?
Right, Moron
Leave Georgie Boy alone. He's depressed that Israel hasn't 'vanished from the pages of time' like he said a few days ago.
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Economic turmoil brought about by wars in Vietnam and the Middle East, remember, Golda?He was removed because as leader of OPEC he was raising oil prices, during a time when the West was suffering from economic turmoil. Keep up, knucklehead.
Another example of the cost of inflicting a Jewish state upon Palestine in 1948
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Well the ones that suffer from Mad Muslim Disease (like George), fantasize about the destruction of Israel on a regular basis. They probably think about it more than they do about sex. Ha ha ha.He was removed because as leader of OPEC he was raising oil prices, during a time when the West was suffering from economic turmoil. Keep up, knucklehead.He was removed because he hated democracy?
Right, Moron
Leave Georgie Boy alone. He's depressed that Israel hasn't 'vanished from the pages of time' like he said a few days ago.
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What did he get, asshole? His family is living a healthy normal life in the West. The Shah's son and heir to the throne, shows no desire to become King. That speaks volumes in itself.
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Ha ha ha you're stupid beyond belief. This had absolutely nothing to do with Vietnam and or Israel. The West, especially Europe had become too dependent on oil from the Middle East and their economies had taken a downturn if not outright depression, due to higher oil prices, led by the Shah who was the leader of OPEC.Economic turmoil brought about by wars in Vietnam and the Middle East, remember, Golda?He was removed because as leader of OPEC he was raising oil prices, during a time when the West was suffering from economic turmoil. Keep up, knucklehead.He was removed because he hated democracy?
Right, Moron
Another example of the cost of inflicting a Jewish state upon Palestine in 1948
After the Shah was ousted, the oil prices went to record lows for almost 15 years. Non of the recovery of the 80's would have been possible had it not been for those low oil prices. Iran and Iraq went to war for 10 years while flooding the market with cheap oil, and at the same time buying overpriced weapons from the West to continue slaughtering over a million people on both sides, over the Sunni Shiite blood feud.
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map is neither new nor relevant to today. It is a map some 40 yrs old and was only a proposition, not a reality or serious plan.
What cracks me up about Boy George's Map is how illogical it is:
(1) The Saudi Arabia might be the most stable Arab Muslim country outside of Qatar and UAE.
(2) Jordan will fall. They have a Palestinian majority and Palestinian Queen and an half-Palestinian prince. The Palestinians believe Jordan is their country also. They will fall to the Palestinians in out lifetime.
(3) Kurdistan: LOL they are probably never getting their own country. They might be able to break Kurdish Iraq from Iraq, but that doesn't seem likely. But that map has them taking land from Turkey, Syria and Iran and more land from Iraq. NEVER going to happen.
(4) Turkey might have the strongest army in the region, yet they are going to lose territory. LOL, just stupid!
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Bernard Lewis's contribution to ISIS:
Map was proposed by Professor Bernard Lewis in 1979
>>He formally proposed the fragmentation and balkanization of Iran along regional, ethnic and linguistic lines especially among the Arabs of Khuzestan (the Al-Ahwaz project), the Baluchis (the Pakhtunistan project), the Kurds (the Greater Kurdistan project) and the Azarbaijanis (the Greater Azarbaijan Project). <<
It was soon after the Iranian Revolution, when fears of oil supplies were high.
"In 2002 Lewis wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal regarding the build up to the Iraq War, entitled 'Time for toppling', where he stated his opinion that 'a regime change may well be dangerous, but sometimes the dangers of inaction are greater than those of action.' [46]
"In 2007, Jacob Weisberg has described Lewis as 'perhaps the most significant intellectual influence behind the invasion of Iraq'.[47]
"Michael Hirsh has attributed to him the view that regime change in Iraq would provide a jolt that would 'modernize the Middle East' and suggested that Lewis' allegedly 'Orientalist' theories about 'What Went Wrong' in the Middle East, and other writings, formed the intellectual basis of the push towards war in Iraq."
Bernard Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dreyfus and LeMarc (1980, p. 157-158) provide a very succinct summary of the planÂ’s methodology:
“According to Lewis, the British should encourage rebellions for national autonomy by the minorities such as the Lebanese Druze, Baluchis, Azerbaiajni Turks, Syrian Alawites, the Copts of Ethiopia, Sudanese mystical sects, Arabian tribes…the goal is the break-up of the Middle East into a mosaic of competing ministates and the weakening of the sovereignty of existing republics and kingdoms…spark a series of breakaway movements by Iran’s Kurds, Azeris, baluchis, and Arabs…these independence movements, in turn would represent dire threats to Turkey, Iraq, Pakistan and other neighbouring states.” [Dreyfus and LeMarc, Hostage. 1980, p.157-158. New York: New Benjamin Franklin House Publishing Company.]
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Every time knucklehead George posts his conspiracy theories, he more or less debunks himself.Bernard Lewis's contribution to ISIS:Map was proposed by Professor Bernard Lewis in 1979
>>He formally proposed the fragmentation and balkanization of Iran along regional, ethnic and linguistic lines especially among the Arabs of Khuzestan (the Al-Ahwaz project), the Baluchis (the Pakhtunistan project), the Kurds (the Greater Kurdistan project) and the Azarbaijanis (the Greater Azarbaijan Project). <<
It was soon after the Iranian Revolution, when fears of oil supplies were high.
"In 2002 Lewis wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal regarding the build up to the Iraq War, entitled 'Time for toppling', where he stated his opinion that 'a regime change may well be dangerous, but sometimes the dangers of inaction are greater than those of action.' [46]
"In 2007, Jacob Weisberg has described Lewis as 'perhaps the most significant intellectual influence behind the invasion of Iraq'.[47]
"Michael Hirsh has attributed to him the view that regime change in Iraq would provide a jolt that would 'modernize the Middle East' and suggested that Lewis' allegedly 'Orientalist' theories about 'What Went Wrong' in the Middle East, and other writings, formed the intellectual basis of the push towards war in Iraq."
Bernard Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dreyfus and LeMarc (1980, p. 157-158) provide a very succinct summary of the planÂ’s methodology:
“According to Lewis, the British should encourage rebellions for national autonomy by the minorities such as the Lebanese Druze, Baluchis, Azerbaiajni Turks, Syrian Alawites, the Copts of Ethiopia, Sudanese mystical sects, Arabian tribes…the goal is the break-up of the Middle East into a mosaic of competing ministates and the weakening of the sovereignty of existing republics and kingdoms…spark a series of breakaway movements by Iran’s Kurds, Azeris, baluchis, and Arabs…these independence movements, in turn would represent dire threats to Turkey, Iraq, Pakistan and other neighbouring states.” [Dreyfus and LeMarc, Hostage. 1980, p.157-158. New York: New Benjamin Franklin House Publishing Company.]
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He got dead, Dipshit.
But not before the US embassy got stormed and occupied.
Good riddance.
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He knew he had cancer before the revolution, and was hiding it. Part of the reason he left was because he knew he didn't have much longer to live and wanted to live his last days in peace. Storming of the US embassy showed the character of the Islamic animals who have no respect for international law and norms, more than anything else.
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"In Lewis' view, the 'by now widespread terrorism practice of suicide bombing is a development of the 20th century' with 'no antecedents in Islamic history, and no justification in terms of Islamic theology, law, or tradition.'[44]
"He further comments that 'the fanatical warrior offering his victims the choice of the Koran or the sword is not only untrue, it is impossible' and that 'generally speaking, Muslim tolerance of unbelievers was far better than anything available in Christendom, until the rise of secularism in the 17th century.'"
Are you paid by the lie, Ha$bara?
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If Herr George would get out of his neighborhood once in a while and speak to Iranians (both Muslim and Jewish) of which there are many in the Los Angeles area, he would find that almost to a man they admired the Shah and only have good things to say about him. There are those living in Iran right now who would like to have the means of coming here. As one Muslim comedian said in an intereview with a reporter from the Los Angeles Times that every time he goes to visit the relatives left in Iran, his cousins ask him how they can come to America. Maybe we should volunteer Herr George to take one of the cousins' place. I don't think that the cousin will feel the same about America as Herr George does.
Herr George must think that when the Muslims left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded the surrounding countries, all the inhabitants must have raised their hands and said they were willing to accept Islam. I think Herr George should do some research about the History of Jihad.
I find it amusing that Herr George can't seem to restrain himself from showing everyone that he knows how to find the dollar sign on his computer. I guess the lack of real dollars must bother him. Since Herr George is constantly asking people if they are being paid, maybe he is projecting and hopes that his new masters start paying him.
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Conspiracies come from the internet where footnotes, references and bibliographies too often get lost. Copyrights seem to exist only from the last print of information, not the first or oldest source of the item. True for chats and informational/educational discussions the laws of copyright are not legally imposed in most cases. Simply finding a link, the first link among hundreds, does not mean that link is factual or that sources (if there are any) are valid. Sometimes you actually have to read several items and compare key phrases in searches. Facts still come in large part from print.
I know Bilderberg raises all kinds of heated opinions from all sides. I personally am neutral. I find the idea of the best minds and figures of the time getting together with others should be encourage. I don't care for the term secrecy, but prefer to consider it as privacy which people should be entitled to. Ideas discussed there, hypothetically or as policies, among so many are expected to be part of the conversation. Just because an issue is raised does by not mean it will be implemented as policy by those attending once they return home. Think of it more like them meeting to play several days of Risk and D&D type ideas. It is experimenting and analyzing different ideas just to see how it will play out. They have the freedom to ask "what if" and have the best minds to answer. A vacation and think tank all inclusive. They can get a chance to talk to people they might not have the leisure to listen to at any other time.
I have heard all the conspiracies. I know anything that is leaked out of the meetings is likely to be used and abused for various groups. Iran is making an issue discussed at the meetings as if it was an actual plan that makes the west a danger to the state. The fact of the revolution, hostage issue and the theocracy of the Khomeini would be an obvious avenue of talk among the guest. It was merely an idea of breaking up nations by heritage and more possible states in size and by oil production that would bring more trade stability. You don't have a large state of Iran that control such a large part of the oil production, but several small states that would assure a steady supply of fuel even if a few of the other state are hostile to the west. The hypothesis was how the post WWI & WWII world might have been divided and how it might have developed up to now and where it might be in the future.
People that affect world policies today do not really have the freedom to pose such idea openly and think about scenarios that might play out in the future. They don't have the range of such a wide range of notables to toss out ideas and receive feedback opinions to consider. I like to think of some of the guests doing cannon balls in the pool, eating s'mores and telling ghost stories in between anything else they do. The privacy to let off a bit of steam and behave in a more relaxed manner with no press or microphones that can give the talking heads fodder for attacking those that attend the group.
Obviously some of the items weighed during the meeting do get implemented while other just become fuel for conspiracies. Lewis is a rational and well educated man, but this map and his hypothetical proposal is making the rounds on the internet even 40 yrs later. Do any of you really believe that within and outside the region such discussions of traditional heritage/tribe/feudal groups and how to get them to work together is not a topic daily? That they are not already broken into provinces or counties within the respective countries? They are in trying in some way exerting their own influences and some autonomy over their own groups?
Conferences, lectures and symposiums are common place among scholars. Let the most influential of the moment have their own gatherings in privacy.
the Georgy Porgys out there are trying to incite fear and divisions. They attacking others and bring them to exasperation but is not backed by all the facts no matter how many times they try to repeat the same arguments. Sorry, time to run away and try another theory out of your propaganda bag.
We are open to discussion and sharing of ideas and facts. This is our gathering where we have the freedom to weigh ideas, pull them apart and remold them, and repeat till we find something that might be plausible................ or just find some entertainment, distraction for a few minutes to break up our days.
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Proving yet again that nobody does stupid like G-String.
map is neither new nor relevant to today. It is a map some 40 yrs old and was only a proposition, not a reality or serious plan.
What cracks me up about Boy George's Map is how illogical it is:
(1) The Saudi Arabia might be the most stable Arab Muslim country outside of Qatar and UAE.
(2) Jordan will fall. They have a Palestinian majority and Palestinian Queen and an half-Palestinian prince. The Palestinians believe Jordan is their country also. They will fall to the Palestinians in out lifetime.
(3) Kurdistan: LOL they are probably never getting their own country. They might be able to break Kurdish Iraq from Iraq, but that doesn't seem likely. But that map has them taking land from Turkey, Syria and Iran and more land from Iraq. NEVER going to happen.
(4) Turkey might have the strongest army in the region, yet they are going to lose territory. LOL, just stupid!
Turkey will get membership in the EU and Israel will get into NATO if these borders materialize. Only a brain-dead slave of Zion would think the hired killers who drew this map couldn't think of everything you can, and a whole lot more.
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He got treatment for gallstones, but his stay in the US was brief. He lived the last year in Egypt where he also got medical treatment. He died and was buried there.
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