Baseball Jumps in Bed w/ Pentagon

[Pogo]

This thread is about politics --- not sports. Let's get that clear at the start.

>> ...if you’ve been to a baseball game at any time in the last decade, you’ve probably noticed some changes. Military or law enforcement members now perform flag ceremonies before the start of the game. Military recruits are enlisted right on the field. Surprise reunions of deployed men and women and their families play out before an audience of thousands. There’s always the obligatory ovation for wounded warriors. And this year saw a flyover by three F-18 fighter jets during the playing of the national anthem.

The games have morphed into choreographed patriotic events. Who’s paying for all this hoopla? As it turns out, you and I are, through the tax money that we send to the Pentagon.

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events. The details are listed in a new Senate report.

The total tally may top $10 million — and even reach $100 million, if you count the military’s marketing deals with NASCAR.

For millions of your tax dollars, the Pentagon is buying things like ceremonial first pitches for recent veterans, club-level seats for vets at football games, and airport greetings for returning service members.

If that sounds crass to you, you’re not alone.

... Patriotism is a good thing. It can be unifying and inspiring. But what we’re seeing at sporting events isn’t patriotism. It’s nationalism — propaganda, even — and it’s potentially dangerous.

The Pentagon even pays for “sponsored” renditions of God Bless America.

Irving Berlin wrote that song in 1918 as a show tune for a revue called Yip Yip Yaphank. ...Since then, it’s become an official part of Major League Baseball games. In several stadiums the tune has replaced Take Me Out to the Ballgame in group sing-alongs during the seventh-inning stretch.

In fact, this former show tune has become mandatory in some places.

In 2008, a fan at Yankee Stadium was restrained and then ejected by police officers for attempting to leave his seat for the restroom while the song was playing. The following year, three minor league fans of the now-defunct Newark Bears were ejected from the stadium for refusing to stand during the song.

If it’s freely chosen, standing for the national anthem is patriotic. Forcing people to stand for God Bless America isn’t. This is about more than taxpayer money. The government has no business propagandizing the American people. --- John Kiriakou, former CIA counterterrorism officer and former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

​

This Paid Patriotism Scandal, starring the US Pentagon in the role of Pimp, is sadly not a new story. It's the same Jingoism song and dance (literally) that brought NFL players out to the field for the national anthem about ten years ago, which, unknown to the general public because it was never part of the telecast, became a fake "issue" when some photographer who obviously wasn't doing the Jingo Dance snapped quarterback Colin Kaepernick's picture, sitting out the song.

Your tax dollars at work, fans. And you non-fans, you're paying the same thing for mass Jingo-ball choreography literally forced on a captive audience who came there for a completely different purpose, that being to specifically get away from . Good to know as April 15 approaches, right?

Just in case it didn't sink in:
"God Bless Ameirca" replaces "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" --- the exact event they all came there for.
Now try to imagine being forcibly ejected for refusing to sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame".

Next time you go to a sports event and they try to force you to do the mandatory Jingo Dance, pull out your Earnest V. Starr flag and walk out of your seat. Do it in droves. We won't all fit in the bathroom so go get something to eat or drink. Just walk around until the Jingo Exercise peters out. Flatly refuse to sit in the back of the bus and make them arrest us all until it sinks in to them that they can't coerce people.

Got virtually a whole baseball season in front of us. Do it. Resist Big State.

Statist-enforced mob mentality ---- where it leads:

Authoritarians LOVE this shit. And they rouse the unwashed to do their authoritarian bidding with phrases like "get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired".

PLAY BALL.

It happens at Blue Jay games too, but of course, it's the Canadian Armed Forces, but they don't have recruiting on the field or anything like that, but they do have veterans throwing out the first pitch. Canada was in Afghanistan for 10 years, and we had a lot of deaths and wounded veterans there too. Most Americans aren't aware of this.

I've just checked the standings and the Blue Jays need all the help they can get.

 

[Ringel05]

This thread is about politics --- not sports. Let's get that clear at the start.

>> ...if you’ve been to a baseball game at any time in the last decade, you’ve probably noticed some changes. Military or law enforcement members now perform flag ceremonies before the start of the game. Military recruits are enlisted right on the field. Surprise reunions of deployed men and women and their families play out before an audience of thousands. There’s always the obligatory ovation for wounded warriors. And this year saw a flyover by three F-18 fighter jets during the playing of the national anthem.

The games have morphed into choreographed patriotic events. Who’s paying for all this hoopla? As it turns out, you and I are, through the tax money that we send to the Pentagon.

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events. The details are listed in a new Senate report.

The total tally may top $10 million — and even reach $100 million, if you count the military’s marketing deals with NASCAR.

For millions of your tax dollars, the Pentagon is buying things like ceremonial first pitches for recent veterans, club-level seats for vets at football games, and airport greetings for returning service members.

If that sounds crass to you, you’re not alone.

... Patriotism is a good thing. It can be unifying and inspiring. But what we’re seeing at sporting events isn’t patriotism. It’s nationalism — propaganda, even — and it’s potentially dangerous.

The Pentagon even pays for “sponsored” renditions of God Bless America.

Irving Berlin wrote that song in 1918 as a show tune for a revue called Yip Yip Yaphank. ...Since then, it’s become an official part of Major League Baseball games. In several stadiums the tune has replaced Take Me Out to the Ballgame in group sing-alongs during the seventh-inning stretch.

In fact, this former show tune has become mandatory in some places.

In 2008, a fan at Yankee Stadium was restrained and then ejected by police officers for attempting to leave his seat for the restroom while the song was playing. The following year, three minor league fans of the now-defunct Newark Bears were ejected from the stadium for refusing to stand during the song.

If it’s freely chosen, standing for the national anthem is patriotic. Forcing people to stand for God Bless America isn’t. This is about more than taxpayer money. The government has no business propagandizing the American people. --- John Kiriakou, former CIA counterterrorism officer and former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

​

This Paid Patriotism Scandal, starring the US Pentagon in the role of Pimp, is sadly not a new story. It's the same Jingoism song and dance (literally) that brought NFL players out to the field for the national anthem about ten years ago, which, unknown to the general public because it was never part of the telecast, became a fake "issue" when some photographer who obviously wasn't doing the Jingo Dance snapped quarterback Colin Kaepernick's picture, sitting out the song.

Your tax dollars at work, fans. And you non-fans, you're paying the same thing for mass Jingo-ball choreography literally forced on a captive audience who came there for a completely different purpose, that being to specifically get away from . Good to know as April 15 approaches, right?

Just in case it didn't sink in:
"God Bless Ameirca" replaces "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" --- the exact event they all came there for.
Now try to imagine being forcibly ejected for refusing to sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame".

Next time you go to a sports event and they try to force you to do the mandatory Jingo Dance, pull out your Earnest V. Starr flag and walk out of your seat. Do it in droves. We won't all fit in the bathroom so go get something to eat or drink. Just walk around until the Jingo Exercise peters out. Flatly refuse to sit in the back of the bus and make them arrest us all until it sinks in to them that they can't coerce people.

Got virtually a whole baseball season in front of us. Do it. Resist Big State.

Statist-enforced mob mentality ---- where it leads:

Authoritarians LOVE this shit. And they rouse the unwashed to do their authoritarian bidding with phrases like "get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired".

PLAY BALL.

Wow! Looks like the left has their own conspiracy theorist nutjobs........ Next you'll be believing that Jade Helm is indeed the military's plan to take over the country........ Never expected that from you.

Remember, all volunteer military which means more monies have to be earmarked for recruitment and retention of qualified individuals not to mention finding ways to appeal to those individuals.

Military Leaders Highlight Efforts, Challenges in Recruiting, Retention > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Article

us military retention problems - Google Search

Oooookaaaay... what's any of this got to do with the topic?

When I go to a baseball game, I go FOR a baseball game. Not for a fucking jingo commercial and for DAMN sure not for a frickin' mandatory one.

Sooooo, you're being forced to sit in your seat and watch it all? Can't take the time to go to the bathroom or the concession stand while that is going on? You've been reading too much of MimeWhores tripe..........

 

[daveman]

This is just recycled anti-corporatism, anti-Pentagon, anti-patriotism leftist bullshit.

 

[Pogo]

This thread is about politics --- not sports. Let's get that clear at the start.

>> ...if you’ve been to a baseball game at any time in the last decade, you’ve probably noticed some changes. Military or law enforcement members now perform flag ceremonies before the start of the game. Military recruits are enlisted right on the field. Surprise reunions of deployed men and women and their families play out before an audience of thousands. There’s always the obligatory ovation for wounded warriors. And this year saw a flyover by three F-18 fighter jets during the playing of the national anthem.

The games have morphed into choreographed patriotic events. Who’s paying for all this hoopla? As it turns out, you and I are, through the tax money that we send to the Pentagon.

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events. The details are listed in a new Senate report.

The total tally may top $10 million — and even reach $100 million, if you count the military’s marketing deals with NASCAR.

For millions of your tax dollars, the Pentagon is buying things like ceremonial first pitches for recent veterans, club-level seats for vets at football games, and airport greetings for returning service members.

If that sounds crass to you, you’re not alone.

... Patriotism is a good thing. It can be unifying and inspiring. But what we’re seeing at sporting events isn’t patriotism. It’s nationalism — propaganda, even — and it’s potentially dangerous.

The Pentagon even pays for “sponsored” renditions of God Bless America.

Irving Berlin wrote that song in 1918 as a show tune for a revue called Yip Yip Yaphank. ...Since then, it’s become an official part of Major League Baseball games. In several stadiums the tune has replaced Take Me Out to the Ballgame in group sing-alongs during the seventh-inning stretch.

In fact, this former show tune has become mandatory in some places.

In 2008, a fan at Yankee Stadium was restrained and then ejected by police officers for attempting to leave his seat for the restroom while the song was playing. The following year, three minor league fans of the now-defunct Newark Bears were ejected from the stadium for refusing to stand during the song.

If it’s freely chosen, standing for the national anthem is patriotic. Forcing people to stand for God Bless America isn’t. This is about more than taxpayer money. The government has no business propagandizing the American people. --- John Kiriakou, former CIA counterterrorism officer and former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

​

This Paid Patriotism Scandal, starring the US Pentagon in the role of Pimp, is sadly not a new story. It's the same Jingoism song and dance (literally) that brought NFL players out to the field for the national anthem about ten years ago, which, unknown to the general public because it was never part of the telecast, became a fake "issue" when some photographer who obviously wasn't doing the Jingo Dance snapped quarterback Colin Kaepernick's picture, sitting out the song.

Your tax dollars at work, fans. And you non-fans, you're paying the same thing for mass Jingo-ball choreography literally forced on a captive audience who came there for a completely different purpose, that being to specifically get away from . Good to know as April 15 approaches, right?

Just in case it didn't sink in:
"God Bless Ameirca" replaces "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" --- the exact event they all came there for.
Now try to imagine being forcibly ejected for refusing to sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame".

Next time you go to a sports event and they try to force you to do the mandatory Jingo Dance, pull out your Earnest V. Starr flag and walk out of your seat. Do it in droves. We won't all fit in the bathroom so go get something to eat or drink. Just walk around until the Jingo Exercise peters out. Flatly refuse to sit in the back of the bus and make them arrest us all until it sinks in to them that they can't coerce people.

Got virtually a whole baseball season in front of us. Do it. Resist Big State.

Statist-enforced mob mentality ---- where it leads:

Authoritarians LOVE this shit. And they rouse the unwashed to do their authoritarian bidding with phrases like "get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired".

PLAY BALL.

Wow! Looks like the left has their own conspiracy theorist nutjobs........ Next you'll be believing that Jade Helm is indeed the military's plan to take over the country........ Never expected that from you.

Remember, all volunteer military which means more monies have to be earmarked for recruitment and retention of qualified individuals not to mention finding ways to appeal to those individuals.

Military Leaders Highlight Efforts, Challenges in Recruiting, Retention > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Article

us military retention problems - Google Search

Oooookaaaay... what's any of this got to do with the topic?

When I go to a baseball game, I go FOR a baseball game. Not for a fucking jingo commercial and for DAMN sure not for a frickin' mandatory one.

Sooooo, you're being forced to sit in your seat and watch it all? Can't take the time to go to the bathroom or the concession stand while that is going on? You've been reading too much of MimeWhores tripe..........

Oh I do, believe me. I've never once played the role of robot for that shit. That's what everybody should do --- just say no.

If we don't they start forcing it, literally.

There's a specific reason I put the Earnest V. Starr link in the OP. This was a man who was confronted by a mob who tried to force him to kiss a flag -- and this was the same year the national Jingo Song was first played at a baseball game. A time of rampant mob mentality when people would actually rip a Dachshund from its owner's arms and stone it to death in the street, for no more rational reason than that the word "Dachshund" is German. The same time the National Security League was getting schools to quit teaching German, the same time German Shepherds were renamed "Police Dogs" so the sensitive ears of the mob mentality butthurt wouldn't be offended. Whelp, Earnest Starr, for refusing to kiss that flag, got hard labor in prison. The mob who coerced him? They got away with it. Because they were doing the State's bidding.

And the next year brought the Palmer Raids where Americans were deported for their political beliefs. And the Red Summer of race riots.

This is where this shit leads. That's also why the North Korean army is marching in the OP. Put yourself in the position of the North Korean citizen who had better be watching and saluting and smiling, or you might be taking a trip to the hinterlands.

GENUINE patriotism isn't forced, isn't scripted, isn't choreographed. It happens spontaneously. It doesn't happen at exactly 7:04 by design. That's not what this is --- this is artificial bullshit, designed to cow the people into a mob who will then start looking around for the next Earnest V. Starr. That isn't Freedom --- it's fascism. And it has no place in Sports, let alone a free republic.

 

[Pogo]

This is just recycled anti-corporatism, anti-Pentagon, anti-patriotism leftist bullshit.

This is Liberalism Davey Gunnerhands. You asked for it, you got it.

Must be inconvenient for you that the two Senators who exposed this scandal were both Republicans too. And patriots.

 

[Pogo]

I should have mentioned, and again it's old news, but the NFL, which appears to be the only pro sport that has done so, fessed up and sent some $723,000 of taxpayer money back to the government, and pledged to audit itself to send back any more it found from this scandal.

Y'all got your tax refund from that right? Yeah me neither.

 

[Ringel05]

This thread is about politics --- not sports. Let's get that clear at the start.

>> ...if you’ve been to a baseball game at any time in the last decade, you’ve probably noticed some changes. Military or law enforcement members now perform flag ceremonies before the start of the game. Military recruits are enlisted right on the field. Surprise reunions of deployed men and women and their families play out before an audience of thousands. There’s always the obligatory ovation for wounded warriors. And this year saw a flyover by three F-18 fighter jets during the playing of the national anthem.

The games have morphed into choreographed patriotic events. Who’s paying for all this hoopla? As it turns out, you and I are, through the tax money that we send to the Pentagon.

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events. The details are listed in a new Senate report.

The total tally may top $10 million — and even reach $100 million, if you count the military’s marketing deals with NASCAR.

For millions of your tax dollars, the Pentagon is buying things like ceremonial first pitches for recent veterans, club-level seats for vets at football games, and airport greetings for returning service members.

If that sounds crass to you, you’re not alone.

... Patriotism is a good thing. It can be unifying and inspiring. But what we’re seeing at sporting events isn’t patriotism. It’s nationalism — propaganda, even — and it’s potentially dangerous.

The Pentagon even pays for “sponsored” renditions of God Bless America.

Irving Berlin wrote that song in 1918 as a show tune for a revue called Yip Yip Yaphank. ...Since then, it’s become an official part of Major League Baseball games. In several stadiums the tune has replaced Take Me Out to the Ballgame in group sing-alongs during the seventh-inning stretch.

In fact, this former show tune has become mandatory in some places.

In 2008, a fan at Yankee Stadium was restrained and then ejected by police officers for attempting to leave his seat for the restroom while the song was playing. The following year, three minor league fans of the now-defunct Newark Bears were ejected from the stadium for refusing to stand during the song.

If it’s freely chosen, standing for the national anthem is patriotic. Forcing people to stand for God Bless America isn’t. This is about more than taxpayer money. The government has no business propagandizing the American people. --- John Kiriakou, former CIA counterterrorism officer and former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

​

This Paid Patriotism Scandal, starring the US Pentagon in the role of Pimp, is sadly not a new story. It's the same Jingoism song and dance (literally) that brought NFL players out to the field for the national anthem about ten years ago, which, unknown to the general public because it was never part of the telecast, became a fake "issue" when some photographer who obviously wasn't doing the Jingo Dance snapped quarterback Colin Kaepernick's picture, sitting out the song.

Your tax dollars at work, fans. And you non-fans, you're paying the same thing for mass Jingo-ball choreography literally forced on a captive audience who came there for a completely different purpose, that being to specifically get away from . Good to know as April 15 approaches, right?

Just in case it didn't sink in:
"God Bless Ameirca" replaces "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" --- the exact event they all came there for.
Now try to imagine being forcibly ejected for refusing to sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame".

Next time you go to a sports event and they try to force you to do the mandatory Jingo Dance, pull out your Earnest V. Starr flag and walk out of your seat. Do it in droves. We won't all fit in the bathroom so go get something to eat or drink. Just walk around until the Jingo Exercise peters out. Flatly refuse to sit in the back of the bus and make them arrest us all until it sinks in to them that they can't coerce people.

Got virtually a whole baseball season in front of us. Do it. Resist Big State.

Statist-enforced mob mentality ---- where it leads:

Authoritarians LOVE this shit. And they rouse the unwashed to do their authoritarian bidding with phrases like "get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired".

PLAY BALL.

Wow! Looks like the left has their own conspiracy theorist nutjobs........ Next you'll be believing that Jade Helm is indeed the military's plan to take over the country........ Never expected that from you.

Remember, all volunteer military which means more monies have to be earmarked for recruitment and retention of qualified individuals not to mention finding ways to appeal to those individuals.

Military Leaders Highlight Efforts, Challenges in Recruiting, Retention > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Article

us military retention problems - Google Search

Oooookaaaay... what's any of this got to do with the topic?

When I go to a baseball game, I go FOR a baseball game. Not for a fucking jingo commercial and for DAMN sure not for a frickin' mandatory one.

Sooooo, you're being forced to sit in your seat and watch it all? Can't take the time to go to the bathroom or the concession stand while that is going on? You've been reading too much of MimeWhores tripe..........

Oh I do, believe me. I've never once played the role of robot for that shit. That's what everybody should do --- just say no.

If we don't they start forcing it, literally.

There's a specific reason I put the Earnest V. Starr link in the OP. This was a man who was confronted by a mob who tried to force him to kiss a flag -- and this was the same year the national Jingo Song was first played at a baseball game. A time of rampant mob mentality when people would actually rip a Dachshund from its owner's arms and stone it to death in the street, for no more rational reason than that the word "Dachshund" is German. The same time the National Security League was getting schools to quit teaching German, the same time German Shepherds were renamed "Police Dogs" so the sensitive ears of the mob mentality butthurt wouldn't be offended. Whelp, Earnest Starr, for refusing to kiss that flag, got hard labor in prison. The mob who coerced him? They got away with it. Because they were doing the State's bidding.

And the next year brought the Palmer Raids where Americans were deported for their political beliefs. And the Red Summer of race riots.

This is where this shit leads. That's also why the North Korean army is marching in the OP. Put yourself in the position of the North Korean citizen who had better be watching and saluting and smiling, or you might be taking a trip to the hinterlands.

GENUINE patriotism isn't forced, isn't scripted, isn't choreographed. It happens spontaneously. It doesn't happen at exactly 7:04 by design. That's not what this is --- this is artificial bullshit, designed to cow the people into a mob who will then start looking around for the next Earnest V. Starr. That isn't Freedom --- it's fascism. And it has no place in Sports, let alone a free republic.

Wow, you let your emotive bias get the better of you....... Don't worry, you're not alone, unfortunately it's a part of human nature even among highly educated individuals. Never thought I'd see you pull a MimeWhores but like I just pointed out in the previous sentence......... Oh well.

 

[Pogo]

This thread is about politics --- not sports. Let's get that clear at the start.

>> ...if you’ve been to a baseball game at any time in the last decade, you’ve probably noticed some changes. Military or law enforcement members now perform flag ceremonies before the start of the game. Military recruits are enlisted right on the field. Surprise reunions of deployed men and women and their families play out before an audience of thousands. There’s always the obligatory ovation for wounded warriors. And this year saw a flyover by three F-18 fighter jets during the playing of the national anthem.

The games have morphed into choreographed patriotic events. Who’s paying for all this hoopla? As it turns out, you and I are, through the tax money that we send to the Pentagon.

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events. The details are listed in a new Senate report.

The total tally may top $10 million — and even reach $100 million, if you count the military’s marketing deals with NASCAR.

For millions of your tax dollars, the Pentagon is buying things like ceremonial first pitches for recent veterans, club-level seats for vets at football games, and airport greetings for returning service members.

If that sounds crass to you, you’re not alone.

... Patriotism is a good thing. It can be unifying and inspiring. But what we’re seeing at sporting events isn’t patriotism. It’s nationalism — propaganda, even — and it’s potentially dangerous.

The Pentagon even pays for “sponsored” renditions of God Bless America.

Irving Berlin wrote that song in 1918 as a show tune for a revue called Yip Yip Yaphank. ...Since then, it’s become an official part of Major League Baseball games. In several stadiums the tune has replaced Take Me Out to the Ballgame in group sing-alongs during the seventh-inning stretch.

In fact, this former show tune has become mandatory in some places.

In 2008, a fan at Yankee Stadium was restrained and then ejected by police officers for attempting to leave his seat for the restroom while the song was playing. The following year, three minor league fans of the now-defunct Newark Bears were ejected from the stadium for refusing to stand during the song.

If it’s freely chosen, standing for the national anthem is patriotic. Forcing people to stand for God Bless America isn’t. This is about more than taxpayer money. The government has no business propagandizing the American people. --- John Kiriakou, former CIA counterterrorism officer and former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

​

This Paid Patriotism Scandal, starring the US Pentagon in the role of Pimp, is sadly not a new story. It's the same Jingoism song and dance (literally) that brought NFL players out to the field for the national anthem about ten years ago, which, unknown to the general public because it was never part of the telecast, became a fake "issue" when some photographer who obviously wasn't doing the Jingo Dance snapped quarterback Colin Kaepernick's picture, sitting out the song.

Your tax dollars at work, fans. And you non-fans, you're paying the same thing for mass Jingo-ball choreography literally forced on a captive audience who came there for a completely different purpose, that being to specifically get away from . Good to know as April 15 approaches, right?

Just in case it didn't sink in:
"God Bless Ameirca" replaces "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" --- the exact event they all came there for.
Now try to imagine being forcibly ejected for refusing to sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame".

Next time you go to a sports event and they try to force you to do the mandatory Jingo Dance, pull out your Earnest V. Starr flag and walk out of your seat. Do it in droves. We won't all fit in the bathroom so go get something to eat or drink. Just walk around until the Jingo Exercise peters out. Flatly refuse to sit in the back of the bus and make them arrest us all until it sinks in to them that they can't coerce people.

Got virtually a whole baseball season in front of us. Do it. Resist Big State.

Statist-enforced mob mentality ---- where it leads:

Authoritarians LOVE this shit. And they rouse the unwashed to do their authoritarian bidding with phrases like "get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired".

PLAY BALL.

Wow! Looks like the left has their own conspiracy theorist nutjobs........ Next you'll be believing that Jade Helm is indeed the military's plan to take over the country........ Never expected that from you.

Remember, all volunteer military which means more monies have to be earmarked for recruitment and retention of qualified individuals not to mention finding ways to appeal to those individuals.

Military Leaders Highlight Efforts, Challenges in Recruiting, Retention > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Article

us military retention problems - Google Search

Oooookaaaay... what's any of this got to do with the topic?

When I go to a baseball game, I go FOR a baseball game. Not for a fucking jingo commercial and for DAMN sure not for a frickin' mandatory one.

Sooooo, you're being forced to sit in your seat and watch it all? Can't take the time to go to the bathroom or the concession stand while that is going on? You've been reading too much of MimeWhores tripe..........

Oh I do, believe me. I've never once played the role of robot for that shit. That's what everybody should do --- just say no.

If we don't they start forcing it, literally.

There's a specific reason I put the Earnest V. Starr link in the OP. This was a man who was confronted by a mob who tried to force him to kiss a flag -- and this was the same year the national Jingo Song was first played at a baseball game. A time of rampant mob mentality when people would actually rip a Dachshund from its owner's arms and stone it to death in the street, for no more rational reason than that the word "Dachshund" is German. The same time the National Security League was getting schools to quit teaching German, the same time German Shepherds were renamed "Police Dogs" so the sensitive ears of the mob mentality butthurt wouldn't be offended. Whelp, Earnest Starr, for refusing to kiss that flag, got hard labor in prison. The mob who coerced him? They got away with it. Because they were doing the State's bidding.

And the next year brought the Palmer Raids where Americans were deported for their political beliefs. And the Red Summer of race riots.

This is where this shit leads. That's also why the North Korean army is marching in the OP. Put yourself in the position of the North Korean citizen who had better be watching and saluting and smiling, or you might be taking a trip to the hinterlands.

GENUINE patriotism isn't forced, isn't scripted, isn't choreographed. It happens spontaneously. It doesn't happen at exactly 7:04 by design. That's not what this is --- this is artificial bullshit, designed to cow the people into a mob who will then start looking around for the next Earnest V. Starr. That isn't Freedom --- it's fascism. And it has no place in Sports, let alone a free republic.

Wow, you let your emotive bias get the better of you....... Don't worry, you're not alone, unfortunately it's a part of human nature even among highly educated individuals. Never thought I'd see you pull a MimeWhores but like I just pointed out in the previous sentence......... Oh well.

I have no idea what a "MimeWhores" is. But I do know what it means when a mob tries to force mandatory behaviour.

Ever hear the expression "those who ignore their own history....."?

How 'bout this one: "When they came for the ones who refused to kiss a flag I said nothing...."?

 

[daveman]

This is just recycled anti-corporatism, anti-Pentagon, anti-patriotism leftist bullshit.

This is Liberalism Davey Gunnerhands. You asked for it, you got it.

Must be inconvenient for you that the two Senators who exposed this scandal were both Republicans too. And patriots.

Liberalism? Yes, modern Marxist liberalism. Regurgitated Soviet propaganda.

Now cry some more about definitions. No one cares about your petulant foot-stamping.

 

[Pogo]

This is just recycled anti-corporatism, anti-Pentagon, anti-patriotism leftist bullshit.

This is Liberalism Davey Gunnerhands. You asked for it, you got it.

Must be inconvenient for you that the two Senators who exposed this scandal were both Republicans too. And patriots.

Liberalism? Yes, modern Marxist liberalism. Regurgitated Soviet propaganda.

Now cry some more about definitions. No one cares about your petulant foot-stamping.

Apparently they do, they're here aren't they. Including you. I get it that you're flustered because you can't think of a counterpoint but while you're sitting there stunned, Liberalism means power derives from the consent of the governed, and staunchly resists authoritariansim. And that's what I'm doing here. You're welcome. You can join us when you're ready.

 

[Ringel05]

Wow! Looks like the left has their own conspiracy theorist nutjobs........ Next you'll be believing that Jade Helm is indeed the military's plan to take over the country........ Never expected that from you.

Remember, all volunteer military which means more monies have to be earmarked for recruitment and retention of qualified individuals not to mention finding ways to appeal to those individuals.

Military Leaders Highlight Efforts, Challenges in Recruiting, Retention > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Article

us military retention problems - Google Search

Oooookaaaay... what's any of this got to do with the topic?

When I go to a baseball game, I go FOR a baseball game. Not for a fucking jingo commercial and for DAMN sure not for a frickin' mandatory one.

Sooooo, you're being forced to sit in your seat and watch it all? Can't take the time to go to the bathroom or the concession stand while that is going on? You've been reading too much of MimeWhores tripe..........

Oh I do, believe me. I've never once played the role of robot for that shit. That's what everybody should do --- just say no.

If we don't they start forcing it, literally.

There's a specific reason I put the Earnest V. Starr link in the OP. This was a man who was confronted by a mob who tried to force him to kiss a flag -- and this was the same year the national Jingo Song was first played at a baseball game. A time of rampant mob mentality when people would actually rip a Dachshund from its owner's arms and stone it to death in the street, for no more rational reason than that the word "Dachshund" is German. The same time the National Security League was getting schools to quit teaching German, the same time German Shepherds were renamed "Police Dogs" so the sensitive ears of the mob mentality butthurt wouldn't be offended. Whelp, Earnest Starr, for refusing to kiss that flag, got hard labor in prison. The mob who coerced him? They got away with it. Because they were doing the State's bidding.

And the next year brought the Palmer Raids where Americans were deported for their political beliefs. And the Red Summer of race riots.

This is where this shit leads. That's also why the North Korean army is marching in the OP. Put yourself in the position of the North Korean citizen who had better be watching and saluting and smiling, or you might be taking a trip to the hinterlands.

GENUINE patriotism isn't forced, isn't scripted, isn't choreographed. It happens spontaneously. It doesn't happen at exactly 7:04 by design. That's not what this is --- this is artificial bullshit, designed to cow the people into a mob who will then start looking around for the next Earnest V. Starr. That isn't Freedom --- it's fascism. And it has no place in Sports, let alone a free republic.

Wow, you let your emotive bias get the better of you....... Don't worry, you're not alone, unfortunately it's a part of human nature even among highly educated individuals. Never thought I'd see you pull a MimeWhores but like I just pointed out in the previous sentence......... Oh well.

I have no idea what a "MimeWhores" is. But I do know what it means when a mob tries to force mandatory behaviour.

Ever hear the expression "those who ignore their own history....."?

MindWars, the resident Alex Jones nutjob........

As for your assertions....... That type of activity happens all to frequently all over the political spectrum. In this instance put aside your emotive bias and try to look at it rationally then you won't be playing the left's version of Alex Jones.......

 

[Pogo]

Oooookaaaay... what's any of this got to do with the topic?

When I go to a baseball game, I go FOR a baseball game. Not for a fucking jingo commercial and for DAMN sure not for a frickin' mandatory one.

Sooooo, you're being forced to sit in your seat and watch it all? Can't take the time to go to the bathroom or the concession stand while that is going on? You've been reading too much of MimeWhores tripe..........

Oh I do, believe me. I've never once played the role of robot for that shit. That's what everybody should do --- just say no.

If we don't they start forcing it, literally.

There's a specific reason I put the Earnest V. Starr link in the OP. This was a man who was confronted by a mob who tried to force him to kiss a flag -- and this was the same year the national Jingo Song was first played at a baseball game. A time of rampant mob mentality when people would actually rip a Dachshund from its owner's arms and stone it to death in the street, for no more rational reason than that the word "Dachshund" is German. The same time the National Security League was getting schools to quit teaching German, the same time German Shepherds were renamed "Police Dogs" so the sensitive ears of the mob mentality butthurt wouldn't be offended. Whelp, Earnest Starr, for refusing to kiss that flag, got hard labor in prison. The mob who coerced him? They got away with it. Because they were doing the State's bidding.

And the next year brought the Palmer Raids where Americans were deported for their political beliefs. And the Red Summer of race riots.

This is where this shit leads. That's also why the North Korean army is marching in the OP. Put yourself in the position of the North Korean citizen who had better be watching and saluting and smiling, or you might be taking a trip to the hinterlands.

GENUINE patriotism isn't forced, isn't scripted, isn't choreographed. It happens spontaneously. It doesn't happen at exactly 7:04 by design. That's not what this is --- this is artificial bullshit, designed to cow the people into a mob who will then start looking around for the next Earnest V. Starr. That isn't Freedom --- it's fascism. And it has no place in Sports, let alone a free republic.

Wow, you let your emotive bias get the better of you....... Don't worry, you're not alone, unfortunately it's a part of human nature even among highly educated individuals. Never thought I'd see you pull a MimeWhores but like I just pointed out in the previous sentence......... Oh well.

I have no idea what a "MimeWhores" is. But I do know what it means when a mob tries to force mandatory behaviour.

Ever hear the expression "those who ignore their own history....."?

MindWars, the resident Alex Jones nutjob........

As for your assertions....... That type of activity happens all to frequently all over the political spectrum. In this instance put aside your emotive bias and try to look at it rationally then you won't be playing the left's version of Alex Jones.......

So --- you're saying because mob mentality happens in all kinds of scenarios, it's OK?

I'd just like to see anybody try to defend this shit. Make the case that it's a legitimate thing to take taxpayer funds and use it to pimp fake patriotism at the threat of ejection for those who don't dance. Make the case that it's some kind of "innocent" thing ---- and do it without some rah-rah Appeal to Emotion or Ad Hom crapola like Davey Gunnerhands tried to get away with.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events.

Would you feel better if they spent that $6.8 million on television ads for their outreach efforts?

 

[Pogo]

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events.

Would you feel better if they spent that $6.8 million on television ads for their outreach efforts?

They already do, and sure, that's fine. Nobody FORCES a TV viewer to watch an ad.

 

[Ringel05]

Sooooo, you're being forced to sit in your seat and watch it all? Can't take the time to go to the bathroom or the concession stand while that is going on? You've been reading too much of MimeWhores tripe..........

Oh I do, believe me. I've never once played the role of robot for that shit. That's what everybody should do --- just say no.

If we don't they start forcing it, literally.

There's a specific reason I put the Earnest V. Starr link in the OP. This was a man who was confronted by a mob who tried to force him to kiss a flag -- and this was the same year the national Jingo Song was first played at a baseball game. A time of rampant mob mentality when people would actually rip a Dachshund from its owner's arms and stone it to death in the street, for no more rational reason than that the word "Dachshund" is German. The same time the National Security League was getting schools to quit teaching German, the same time German Shepherds were renamed "Police Dogs" so the sensitive ears of the mob mentality butthurt wouldn't be offended. Whelp, Earnest Starr, for refusing to kiss that flag, got hard labor in prison. The mob who coerced him? They got away with it. Because they were doing the State's bidding.

And the next year brought the Palmer Raids where Americans were deported for their political beliefs. And the Red Summer of race riots.

This is where this shit leads. That's also why the North Korean army is marching in the OP. Put yourself in the position of the North Korean citizen who had better be watching and saluting and smiling, or you might be taking a trip to the hinterlands.

GENUINE patriotism isn't forced, isn't scripted, isn't choreographed. It happens spontaneously. It doesn't happen at exactly 7:04 by design. That's not what this is --- this is artificial bullshit, designed to cow the people into a mob who will then start looking around for the next Earnest V. Starr. That isn't Freedom --- it's fascism. And it has no place in Sports, let alone a free republic.

Wow, you let your emotive bias get the better of you....... Don't worry, you're not alone, unfortunately it's a part of human nature even among highly educated individuals. Never thought I'd see you pull a MimeWhores but like I just pointed out in the previous sentence......... Oh well.

I have no idea what a "MimeWhores" is. But I do know what it means when a mob tries to force mandatory behaviour.

Ever hear the expression "those who ignore their own history....."?

MindWars, the resident Alex Jones nutjob........

As for your assertions....... That type of activity happens all to frequently all over the political spectrum. In this instance put aside your emotive bias and try to look at it rationally then you won't be playing the left's version of Alex Jones.......

So --- you're saying because mob mentality happens in all kinds of scenarios, it's OK?

Oh my God..... Now you're reading your bias into my statements...... Shall I call you Political Chick?
Looks like we've found your blind spot. You're reading into what's happening here and associating it with truly unconnected events in other (despotic) countries....... Really? Think and stop reacting.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Sooooo, you're being forced to sit in your seat and watch it all? Can't take the time to go to the bathroom or the concession stand while that is going on? You've been reading too much of MimeWhores tripe..........

Oh I do, believe me. I've never once played the role of robot for that shit. That's what everybody should do --- just say no.

If we don't they start forcing it, literally.

There's a specific reason I put the Earnest V. Starr link in the OP. This was a man who was confronted by a mob who tried to force him to kiss a flag -- and this was the same year the national Jingo Song was first played at a baseball game. A time of rampant mob mentality when people would actually rip a Dachshund from its owner's arms and stone it to death in the street, for no more rational reason than that the word "Dachshund" is German. The same time the National Security League was getting schools to quit teaching German, the same time German Shepherds were renamed "Police Dogs" so the sensitive ears of the mob mentality butthurt wouldn't be offended. Whelp, Earnest Starr, for refusing to kiss that flag, got hard labor in prison. The mob who coerced him? They got away with it. Because they were doing the State's bidding.

And the next year brought the Palmer Raids where Americans were deported for their political beliefs. And the Red Summer of race riots.

This is where this shit leads. That's also why the North Korean army is marching in the OP. Put yourself in the position of the North Korean citizen who had better be watching and saluting and smiling, or you might be taking a trip to the hinterlands.

GENUINE patriotism isn't forced, isn't scripted, isn't choreographed. It happens spontaneously. It doesn't happen at exactly 7:04 by design. That's not what this is --- this is artificial bullshit, designed to cow the people into a mob who will then start looking around for the next Earnest V. Starr. That isn't Freedom --- it's fascism. And it has no place in Sports, let alone a free republic.

Wow, you let your emotive bias get the better of you....... Don't worry, you're not alone, unfortunately it's a part of human nature even among highly educated individuals. Never thought I'd see you pull a MimeWhores but like I just pointed out in the previous sentence......... Oh well.

I have no idea what a "MimeWhores" is. But I do know what it means when a mob tries to force mandatory behaviour.

Ever hear the expression "those who ignore their own history....."?

MindWars, the resident Alex Jones nutjob........

As for your assertions....... That type of activity happens all to frequently all over the political spectrum. In this instance put aside your emotive bias and try to look at it rationally then you won't be playing the left's version of Alex Jones.......

So --- you're saying because mob mentality happens in all kinds of scenarios, it's OK?

I'd just like to see anybody try to defend this shit. Make the case that it's a legitimate thing to take taxpayer funds and use it to pimp fake patriotism at the threat of ejection for those who don't dance. Make the case that it's some kind of "innocent" thing ---- and do it without some rah-rah Appeal to Emotion or Ad Hom crapola like Davey Gunnerhands tried to get away with.

No, he's saying you're an emotionally hysterical Prog. You cry wolf about EVERYTHING.

 

[Ringel05]

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events.

Would you feel better if they spent that $6.8 million on television ads for their outreach efforts?

They already do, and sure, that's fine. Nobody FORCES a TV viewer to watch an ad.

You're still being forced to watch it at a sports game??!! Really??!!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

They have flag burning classes, pogo, if that helps out.

 

[daveman]

This is just recycled anti-corporatism, anti-Pentagon, anti-patriotism leftist bullshit.

This is Liberalism Davey Gunnerhands. You asked for it, you got it.

Must be inconvenient for you that the two Senators who exposed this scandal were both Republicans too. And patriots.

Liberalism? Yes, modern Marxist liberalism. Regurgitated Soviet propaganda.

Now cry some more about definitions. No one cares about your petulant foot-stamping.

Apparently they do, they're here aren't they. Including you. I get it that you're flustered because you can't think of a counterpoint but while you're sitting there stunned, Liberalism means power derives from the consent of the governed, and staunchly resists authoritariansim. And that's what I'm doing here. You're welcome. You can join us when you're ready.

Horseshit. You don't mind authoritarianism at all -- when it's your flavor.

 

[deannalw]

This thread is about politics --- not sports. Let's get that clear at the start.

>> ...if you’ve been to a baseball game at any time in the last decade, you’ve probably noticed some changes. Military or law enforcement members now perform flag ceremonies before the start of the game. Military recruits are enlisted right on the field. Surprise reunions of deployed men and women and their families play out before an audience of thousands. There’s always the obligatory ovation for wounded warriors. And this year saw a flyover by three F-18 fighter jets during the playing of the national anthem.

The games have morphed into choreographed patriotic events. Who’s paying for all this hoopla? As it turns out, you and I are, through the tax money that we send to the Pentagon.

Former Arizona Republican senators John McCain and Jeff Flake issued a report a few years ago that found that since 2013, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Pentagon has shelled out at least $6.8 million for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and other sports leagues to “honor” troops with cheap stunts at sporting events. The details are listed in a new Senate report.

The total tally may top $10 million — and even reach $100 million, if you count the military’s marketing deals with NASCAR.

For millions of your tax dollars, the Pentagon is buying things like ceremonial first pitches for recent veterans, club-level seats for vets at football games, and airport greetings for returning service members.

If that sounds crass to you, you’re not alone.

... Patriotism is a good thing. It can be unifying and inspiring. But what we’re seeing at sporting events isn’t patriotism. It’s nationalism — propaganda, even — and it’s potentially dangerous.

The Pentagon even pays for “sponsored” renditions of God Bless America.

Irving Berlin wrote that song in 1918 as a show tune for a revue called Yip Yip Yaphank. ...Since then, it’s become an official part of Major League Baseball games. In several stadiums the tune has replaced Take Me Out to the Ballgame in group sing-alongs during the seventh-inning stretch.

In fact, this former show tune has become mandatory in some places.

In 2008, a fan at Yankee Stadium was restrained and then ejected by police officers for attempting to leave his seat for the restroom while the song was playing. The following year, three minor league fans of the now-defunct Newark Bears were ejected from the stadium for refusing to stand during the song.

If it’s freely chosen, standing for the national anthem is patriotic. Forcing people to stand for God Bless America isn’t. This is about more than taxpayer money. The government has no business propagandizing the American people. --- John Kiriakou, former CIA counterterrorism officer and former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

​

This Paid Patriotism Scandal, starring the US Pentagon in the role of Pimp, is sadly not a new story. It's the same Jingoism song and dance (literally) that brought NFL players out to the field for the national anthem about ten years ago, which, unknown to the general public because it was never part of the telecast, became a fake "issue" when some photographer who obviously wasn't doing the Jingo Dance snapped quarterback Colin Kaepernick's picture, sitting out the song.

Your tax dollars at work, fans. And you non-fans, you're paying the same thing for mass Jingo-ball choreography literally forced on a captive audience who came there for a completely different purpose, that being to specifically get away from . Good to know as April 15 approaches, right?

Just in case it didn't sink in:
"God Bless Ameirca" replaces "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" --- the exact event they all came there for.
Now try to imagine being forcibly ejected for refusing to sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame".

Next time you go to a sports event and they try to force you to do the mandatory Jingo Dance, pull out your Earnest V. Starr flag and walk out of your seat. Do it in droves. We won't all fit in the bathroom so go get something to eat or drink. Just walk around until the Jingo Exercise peters out. Flatly refuse to sit in the back of the bus and make them arrest us all until it sinks in to them that they can't coerce people.

Got virtually a whole baseball season in front of us. Do it. Resist Big State.

Statist-enforced mob mentality ---- where it leads:

Authoritarians LOVE this shit. And they rouse the unwashed to do their authoritarian bidding with phrases like "get that sumbitch off the field, he's fired".

PLAY BALL.

Wow! Looks like the left has their own conspiracy theorist nutjobs........ Next you'll be believing that Jade Helm is indeed the military's plan to take over the country........ Never expected that from you.

Remember, all volunteer military which means more monies have to be earmarked for recruitment and retention of qualified individuals not to mention finding ways to appeal to those individuals.

Military Leaders Highlight Efforts, Challenges in Recruiting, Retention > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Article

us military retention problems - Google Search

Oooookaaaay... what's any of this got to do with the topic?

When I go to a baseball game, I go FOR a baseball game. Not for a fucking jingo commercial and for DAMN sure not for a frickin' mandatory one.

Flag ceremony bad.

Kneeling in protest?

Fabulous!