Bannon may not be the right guy as chief strategist in the WH

[jc456]

"I don't think he's either anti-semitic or racist. But the fact that he is willing to traffic in those ideologies rather than repudiate them tells me he isn't much better then they are in the larger picture because he legitimizes them and ignores how dangerous they can become when legitimized."

^^^^^^^^^^^^ He is a vile opportunist, nothing more.

based off of what?

 

[jc456]

Guilt by association is a common tactic. It was successfully employed against Obama as well, so it's interesting to see the crying about how unfair this is.

Ok, let's look at Bannon "fairly".

Is he an anti-semite? Is he a racist?

It's hard to separate his personal views from those he supports. I don't really know what his personal views are and there are certainly many who know him who say he is neither racist nor anti-semitic nor mysogonist (according to media on both sides of the political spectrum). However, that same media also points out that you can't totally discount who he's chosen to associate himself with, how long and how intimately he has done so, and his willingness or lack of willingness do distance himself from some of the views he has actively nurtured. If he chose to play with fire in order to push his cause, he runs the risk of being burned or coming out of it tainted - and that is what this really is about.

Breitbart: Bannon took over running Brietbart when Andrew Brietbart passed away. Brietbart differs from traditional media in that it was founded and run by a charismatic figure - with a narrow focus, a distinct cause (anti-globalism, anti-traditional media) which they don't deny Unlike MSM including Fox - they've never retracted a claim, corrected an error or admitted to being wrong that I've found. There is no standard of ethics that binds them even minimally because their cause is more important and that cause is Trump. One prime example - their refusal to support their reporter, Michelle Fields, who was grabbed and thrown to the ground by Trump's then campaign manager. Their reason? They felt it would reflect badly on the Trump campaign. A number of staffers and reporters resigned over this including Fields, spokesman Kurt Bardella and their editor, Ben Shapiro.

That's what Bannon took over and remade into an instrument for the Trump Campaign. When he took over, there were complaints from insiders, that the site took a major turn towards "Alt-right" ideology, more extremist views on white nationalism (which is nothing more than a codeword for white supremacist ideology).

Granted, at this point the charges of anti-semitism fall mainly into a he says/she says category (bitter divorce) and a kind of "guilt by association". But Bannon is playing with fire by skirting so close to legitimizing racist and anti-semitic memes in pursuit of his cause that questioning his views is certainly legitimate.

But "guilt by association" can't be completely disregarded. These aren't long ago relationships that he grew away from - these are relationships fostered right up until he left Breitbart to become Trump's campaign manager. These are also attitudes that found a home in Brietbart where, for once, they were NOT marginalized, but encouraged and protected when they COULD have been marginalized.

National Review has a spot on article on this (in fact, the best) Steve Bannon Is Not a Nazi—But Let’s Be Honest about What He Represents:

The Left, with its endless accusations of “racism” and “xenophobia” and the like, has blurred the line between genuine racists and the millions of Americans who voted for Donald Trump because of a desire for greater social solidarity and cultural consensus. It is not “racist” to want to strengthen the bonds uniting citizens to their country.

But the alt-right is not a “fabrication” of the media. The alt-right is a hodgepodge of philosophies that, at their heart, reject the fundamental principle that “all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.” The alt-right embraces an ethno-nationalism that has its counterparts in the worst of the European far-right: Golden Dawn in Greece, or Hungary’s Jobbik. (It’s no coincidence that Bannon spent time this summer praising “the women of the Le Pen family” on London radio, referring to the head of France’s National Front and her niece, a FN member of the French Parliament.) And while this by no means excuses smashing shop windows to protest a legitimate election result, as rioters spent the weekend doing in the Pacific Northwest, it’s also the case that not every Trump detractor is as devoid of cerebral matter as Lena Dunham. If ethnic and religious minorities are worried, it’s in part because Donald Trump and his intimates have spent the last several months winking at one of the ugliest political movements in America’s recent history.

Furthermore, as some on the left have been more attuned to than their conservative counterparts, the problem is not whether Bannon himself subscribes to a noxious strain of political nuttery; it’s that his de facto endorsement of it enables it to spread and to claim legitimacy, and that what is now a vicious fringe could, over time, become mainstream. The U.S. is not going to see pogroms or “internment camps” spring up in January. But countries require bonds of trust among citizens — including those citizens elected to be leaders. The Left gnawed at those bonds with its thoughtless commitment to cosmopolitan virtues. But the Right threatens to sever them entirely if it continues to court the proponents of ethno-nationalism, or trade in their rhetoric.​

So...what exactly are Bannon's views?

My honest opinion, after reading a bunch more articles? Nah, I don't think he's either anti-semitic or racist. But the fact that he is willing to traffic in those ideologies rather than repudiate them tells me he isn't much better then they are in the larger picture because he legitimizes them and ignores how dangerous they can become when legitimized.

dudette, this is very special. you have no idea who he is and yet you judged him. that is true alt left.

The facts are he is very respected and you will see him for some time out in front for Trump.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Cool. Disprove then.

disprove what? your lies? why, you published for all to see. lie after lie.

Ok. So you can't disprove it. All you can do is throw out your silly one-liners.

Let's see. Has Bannon distanced himself in anyway from the his extremists....

Coyote. Bannon is not part of Alternative Right. He has no extremists to back away from. And apart from a wife who in the middle of a divorce and custody battle decided to turn him into an anti Semite all of a sudden there is no evidence whatsoever that he's an anti Semite.

These charges are false.

Bannon is closely associated with alt-right and white supremicists. He's hosted them on his radio show, and given them an online haven. Many Jews are highly uncomfortable with him, as are many blacks and Muslims, and those feelings seems to run across the political spectrum.

The Jews he has worked with at Breitbart respect and admire him. As do many Jews outside of Breitbart. You don't get an endorsement from the ZOA or Israelis and not be liked or respected.

Yet he is still the figure head of bigotry for the alt right, the which you apparently are fine.

 

[jc456]

disprove what? your lies? why, you published for all to see. lie after lie.

Ok. So you can't disprove it. All you can do is throw out your silly one-liners.

Let's see. Has Bannon distanced himself in anyway from the his extremists....

Coyote. Bannon is not part of Alternative Right. He has no extremists to back away from. And apart from a wife who in the middle of a divorce and custody battle decided to turn him into an anti Semite all of a sudden there is no evidence whatsoever that he's an anti Semite.

These charges are false.

Bannon is closely associated with alt-right and white supremicists. He's hosted them on his radio show, and given them an online haven. Many Jews are highly uncomfortable with him, as are many blacks and Muslims, and those feelings seems to run across the political spectrum.

The Jews he has worked with at Breitbart respect and admire him. As do many Jews outside of Breitbart. You don't get an endorsement from the ZOA or Israelis and not be liked or respected.

Yet he is still the figure head of bigotry for the alt right, the which you apparently are fine.

post up the evidence alt lefter! Just post up that them there evidencey

 

[Coyote]

Cool. Disprove then.

disprove what? your lies? why, you published for all to see. lie after lie.

Ok. So you can't disprove it. All you can do is throw out your silly one-liners.

Let's see. Has Bannon distanced himself in anyway from the his extremists....

Coyote. Bannon is not part of Alternative Right. He has no extremists to back away from. And apart from a wife who in the middle of a divorce and custody battle decided to turn him into an anti Semite all of a sudden there is no evidence whatsoever that he's an anti Semite.

These charges are false.

Bannon is closely associated with alt-right and white supremicists. He's hosted them on his radio show, and given them an online haven. Many Jews are highly uncomfortable with him, as are many blacks and Muslims, and those feelings seems to run across the political spectrum.

The Jews he has worked with at Breitbart respect and admire him. As do many Jews outside of Breitbart. You don't get an endorsement from the ZOA or Israelis and not be liked or respected.

That may be so, but he has chosen to play with fire, rather than distance himself from it. In my view, he isn't much different from the ideologies he legitimizes.

 

[jc456]

disprove what? your lies? why, you published for all to see. lie after lie.

Ok. So you can't disprove it. All you can do is throw out your silly one-liners.

Let's see. Has Bannon distanced himself in anyway from the his extremists....

Coyote. Bannon is not part of Alternative Right. He has no extremists to back away from. And apart from a wife who in the middle of a divorce and custody battle decided to turn him into an anti Semite all of a sudden there is no evidence whatsoever that he's an anti Semite.

These charges are false.

Bannon is closely associated with alt-right and white supremicists. He's hosted them on his radio show, and given them an online haven. Many Jews are highly uncomfortable with him, as are many blacks and Muslims, and those feelings seems to run across the political spectrum.

The Jews he has worked with at Breitbart respect and admire him. As do many Jews outside of Breitbart. You don't get an endorsement from the ZOA or Israelis and not be liked or respected.

That may be so, but he has chosen to play with fire, rather than distance himself from it. In my view, he isn't much different from the ideologies he legitimizes.

it is so, and you lying again just demonstrates that the alt left can't ever produce one once of fact to back up their lies.

 

[tinydancer]

"I don't think he's either anti-semitic or racist. But the fact that he is willing to traffic in those ideologies rather than repudiate them tells me he isn't much better then they are in the larger picture because he legitimizes them and ignores how dangerous they can become when legitimized."

^^^^^^^^^^^^ He is a vile opportunist, nothing more.

He's not the Editor. Those are the Editor's responsibilities as to the content on the website.

AND they are Jews. This is what it has come down to. Bannon has no responsibilty for any editorial content. Let alone the comment sections.

All I can figure is that you and others are truly anti Semetic against the editors of Breitbart.

YOU are the bigot.

 

[Coyote]

Ok. So you can't disprove it. All you can do is throw out your silly one-liners.

Let's see. Has Bannon distanced himself in anyway from the his extremists....

Coyote. Bannon is not part of Alternative Right. He has no extremists to back away from. And apart from a wife who in the middle of a divorce and custody battle decided to turn him into an anti Semite all of a sudden there is no evidence whatsoever that he's an anti Semite.

These charges are false.

Bannon is closely associated with alt-right and white supremicists. He's hosted them on his radio show, and given them an online haven. Many Jews are highly uncomfortable with him, as are many blacks and Muslims, and those feelings seems to run across the political spectrum.

The Jews he has worked with at Breitbart respect and admire him. As do many Jews outside of Breitbart. You don't get an endorsement from the ZOA or Israelis and not be liked or respected.

That may be so, but he has chosen to play with fire, rather than distance himself from it. In my view, he isn't much different from the ideologies he legitimizes.

it is so, and you lying again just demonstrates that the alt left can't ever produce one once of fact to back up their lies.

Unlike you, I've provided plenty of sources to back up what I said. Time for you to start owning some of the dirt your own side spawns.

 

[jc456]

Coyote. Bannon is not part of Alternative Right. He has no extremists to back away from. And apart from a wife who in the middle of a divorce and custody battle decided to turn him into an anti Semite all of a sudden there is no evidence whatsoever that he's an anti Semite.

These charges are false.

Bannon is closely associated with alt-right and white supremicists. He's hosted them on his radio show, and given them an online haven. Many Jews are highly uncomfortable with him, as are many blacks and Muslims, and those feelings seems to run across the political spectrum.

The Jews he has worked with at Breitbart respect and admire him. As do many Jews outside of Breitbart. You don't get an endorsement from the ZOA or Israelis and not be liked or respected.

That may be so, but he has chosen to play with fire, rather than distance himself from it. In my view, he isn't much different from the ideologies he legitimizes.

it is so, and you lying again just demonstrates that the alt left can't ever produce one once of fact to back up their lies.

Unlike you, I've provided plenty of sources to back up what I said. Time for you to start owning some of the dirt your own side spawns.

you posted up no such thingy dudette. he will be great for trump, just remember that.

 

[Moonglow]

Steve Bannon Illegally Paid Via Movie Company, Watchdog Group Says

 

[JakeStarkey]

td and the other alt righties are merely saying "no no no" and backing up in hysterical fear.

 

[JakeStarkey]

An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right

published at Breitbart

An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right

 

[jc456]

Steve Bannon Illegally Paid Via Movie Company, Watchdog Group Says

 

[tinydancer]

disprove what? your lies? why, you published for all to see. lie after lie.

Ok. So you can't disprove it. All you can do is throw out your silly one-liners.

Let's see. Has Bannon distanced himself in anyway from the his extremists....

Coyote. Bannon is not part of Alternative Right. He has no extremists to back away from. And apart from a wife who in the middle of a divorce and custody battle decided to turn him into an anti Semite all of a sudden there is no evidence whatsoever that he's an anti Semite.

These charges are false.

Bannon is closely associated with alt-right and white supremicists. He's hosted them on his radio show, and given them an online haven. Many Jews are highly uncomfortable with him, as are many blacks and Muslims, and those feelings seems to run across the political spectrum.

The Jews he has worked with at Breitbart respect and admire him. As do many Jews outside of Breitbart. You don't get an endorsement from the ZOA or Israelis and not be liked or respected.

That may be so, but he has chosen to play with fire, rather than distance himself from it. In my view, he isn't much different from the ideologies he legitimizes.

Well then using your logic, the entire staff of US Message Board are responsible for every racist, anti Semite, anti LGBT, anti Muslim and anti <fill in the blank> comment on the board. By your logic working for USMB you are legitimizing these ideologies.

I don't believe that for one minute. But hell's bells I am going to throw your "logic" on Bannon right back at you.

 

[jc456]

td and the other alt righties are merely saying "no no no" and backing up in hysterical fear.

 

[tinydancer]

An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right

published at Breitbart

An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right

The article was excellent and truly examined all the factions of the alt right movement. What's your problem?

 

[Moonglow]

Steve Bannon Illegally Paid Via Movie Company, Watchdog Group Says

Wrong holiday...

 

[tinydancer]

disprove what? your lies? why, you published for all to see. lie after lie.

Ok. So you can't disprove it. All you can do is throw out your silly one-liners.

Let's see. Has Bannon distanced himself in anyway from the his extremists....

Coyote. Bannon is not part of Alternative Right. He has no extremists to back away from. And apart from a wife who in the middle of a divorce and custody battle decided to turn him into an anti Semite all of a sudden there is no evidence whatsoever that he's an anti Semite.

These charges are false.

Bannon is closely associated with alt-right and white supremicists. He's hosted them on his radio show, and given them an online haven. Many Jews are highly uncomfortable with him, as are many blacks and Muslims, and those feelings seems to run across the political spectrum.

The Jews he has worked with at Breitbart respect and admire him. As do many Jews outside of Breitbart. You don't get an endorsement from the ZOA or Israelis and not be liked or respected.

Yet he is still the figure head of bigotry for the alt right, the which you apparently are fine.

No he's not. The figure head for the alt right is widely thought of as Spencer. Not Bannon. Never has been. Never will be.

 

[JakeStarkey]

An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right

published at Breitbart

An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right

The article was excellent and truly examined all the factions of the alt right movement. What's your problem?

You know what the problem is and you keep running from it. You are better than that.

 

[tinydancer]

td and the other alt righties are merely saying "no no no" and backing up in hysterical fear.

I'm simply what would be known in the old days as a classical liberal. Now known as a conservative. And why would I back up in fear?