Bad Mistake Hamas

[xyz]

Israel will respond with a fury

Hamas will not be able to ask for sympathy for Israeli aggression
Israel will try to wipe them out

It's a futile battle on both sides.

Hamas cannot win anything except popularity. Palestinians have been treated like crap, and will accept any attack on Israel.

Israel will kill tens of thousands of Palestinians in retaliation with a completely disproportionate response. It wouldn't even matter if they wipe out all of Hamas, other Palestinians that survive will see what is happening around them and become radical after seeing so much death and destruction. Life will not matter to them anymore, and there will always be Palestinians who hate Israel as long as any regime similar to the current one remains in power in Israel.

In a way, I think that's what Hamas really wants.

 

[rightwinger]

It's a futile battle on both sides.

Hamas cannot win anything except popularity. Palestinians have been treated like crap, and will accept any attack on Israel.

Israel will kill tens of thousands of Palestinians in retaliation with a completely disproportionate response. It wouldn't even matter if they wipe out all of Hamas, other Palestinians that survive will see what is happening around them and become radical after seeing so much death and destruction. Life will not matter to them anymore, and there will always be Palestinians who hate Israel as long as any regime similar to the current one remains in power in Israel.

In a way, I think that's what Hamas really wants.

Hamas is getting what Iran wants.

Disrupting the Saudi-Israel peace process
All those videos of Israel attacking innocent Muslims will make it impossible for Saudis to seek peace

 

[Sixties Fan]

It's a futile battle on both sides.

Hamas cannot win anything except popularity. Palestinians have been treated like crap, and will accept any attack on Israel.

Israel will kill tens of thousands of Palestinians in retaliation with a completely disproportionate response. It wouldn't even matter if they wipe out all of Hamas, other Palestinians that survive will see what is happening around them and become radical after seeing so much death and destruction. Life will not matter to them anymore, and there will always be Palestinians who hate Israel as long as any regime similar to the current one remains in power in Israel.

In a way, I think that's what Hamas really wants.

There is no "regime" in power in Israel. There is the Netanyahu government which has always looked to protect Israel from any attacks, and from giving any more land to the Arabs.

Palestinians are being treated like crap by Hamas and all other groups in Gaza, NOT by Israel. Most of Palestinians are pro making peace with Israel, but Hamas is intent in destroying Israel.



Which is why we have these endless "attacks" and incursions by Hamas and other terrorist groups in Gaza, incendiary balloons, infiltrations with the intent of killing any Jews, etc.

It is not going to be disproportionate, that is not how Israel operates. It is not Hamas or Fatah, or the PLO, or even Hezbollah.

All of the above are intent in destroying Israel. It has been going on since 1920, with the first Arab leader who could not accept a Jewish Nation on land once conquered by Muslims. It is a religious war against the Jews, who were left with only 20% of their original Mandate for their homeland by 1922.

So, believe all the Palestinian talking points you enjoy the most.


Israel has the right to its Nation ON its homeland.

Israel has the right to defend itself against endless delegitimization of the Jewish History of their homeland

Israel has the right to defend ALL of its population, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze, Bedouins, from the endless lone wolf and other kind of attacks which have killed tourists and workers as well.

Yes, Hamas wanted to stop the Saudi Israeli negotiations.


Saudi Arabia is already on Hamas side, as is Qatar.


What a surprise !!!! Not !!!


We shall see what is going to happen and what the consequences of yesterday's actions were.


The most important thing for Israel now, is to stop the Gaza rockets and any attacks and especially find all the Israelis taken hostage.

 

[xyz]

It is not going to be disproportionate, that is not how Israel operates. It is not Hamas or Fatah, or the PLO, or even Hezbollah.

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Israel has the right to defend ALL of its population, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze, Bedouins, from the endless lone wolf and other kind of attacks which have killed tourists and workers as well.

Israel is a real state with a real army, it does not need to resort to guerilla tactics. The responses have always been disproportionate, the number of civilian casualties always much higher among Palestinians.

Israel does nothing to protect Palestinians living in the West Bank or Gaza, on the contrary, it uses the fear of violence to try to keep them in line. To call it "terrorism" is uncommon in the modern world, because it is usually used for non-state entities, but terror is clearly a factor. Not to mention the settlers.

Sure, there have been times when settlers or soldiers have been convicted, but it's super rare, like 1% of the time or less.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel is a real state with a real army, it does not need to resort to guerilla tactics. The responses have always been disproportionate, the number of civilian casualties always much higher among Palestinians.

Israel does nothing to protect Palestinians living in the West Bank or Gaza, on the contrary, it uses the fear of violence to try to keep them in line. To call it "terrorism" is uncommon in the modern world, because it is usually used for non-state entities, but terror is clearly a factor. Not to mention the settlers.

Sure, there have been times when settlers or soldiers have been convicted, but it's super rare, like 1% of the time or less.

Wrong. Militias from Hamas and other groups dressed as civilians does not make them civilians but combatants.

Israel is beyond careful when attacking, even letting people know that they are going to attack so that innocent people will escape.

What an endless load of Palestinian BS.

So Israelis, who are more than fed up with being attacked by their sworn enemies and killed on a daily basis, and go against their government rules of not attacking any Palestinians ......these extreme cases are the rule for you?


And many of them have not been arrested and serving prison time?

You really do not know the difference Between a Nation of Rules ( Israel ) and a people who have no rules at all (Palestinians) who are intent in destroying Israel.

Those who have no rules just managed to murder over 600 Israelis.


Educate yourself.

 

[xyz]

Wrong. Militias from Hamas and other groups dressed as civilians does not make them civilians but combatants.

I wasn't talking about them and was not saying they are not a legitimate target. Learn to read.

 

[xyz]

Israel is beyond careful when attacking, even letting people know that they are going to attack so that innocent people will escape.

Do you know what the population density of Gaza is? Don't be stupid. And they cannot leave, if you make them leave, that is genocide.

 

[surada]

Israels big mistake was giving a Jew free Gaza to the Palestinians to appease the demand by Hamas.

They were appeasing the parents of young Israeli soldiers. Weren't you around? Don't you remember?

 

[surada]

Or the Saudis will support Israel even more.
Hamas and Iran declared war, not Israel.

Does Saudi Arabia prefer Iran in power?

What are you talking about? KSA has already spoken out about Israeli responsibility for Hamas... along with the rest of the Arab world.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It's a futile battle on both sides.

Hamas cannot win anything except popularity. Palestinians have been treated like crap, and will accept any attack on Israel.

Israel will kill tens of thousands of Palestinians in retaliation with a completely disproportionate response. It wouldn't even matter if they wipe out all of Hamas, other Palestinians that survive will see what is happening around them and become radical after seeing so much death and destruction. Life will not matter to them anymore, and there will always be Palestinians who hate Israel as long as any regime similar to the current one remains in power in Israel.

In a way, I think that's what Hamas really wants.

It is not futile on either side. Hamas and Iran want desperately to prevent normalized relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and this war will likely prevent that from happening. So that's what Hamas gets out of this war.

For Israel, this war should finally make clear that the Oslo experiment has failed and there is no diplomatic solution to the Palestinian problems is possible and it makes no sense to talk about a Palestinian state for the foreseeable future. Israel's only consideration in dealing with the Palestinians should be the security of Israel, and in that context, it makes no sense at all to allow Hamas or Islamic Jihad or any other Palestinian terrorist group to exist in Gaza, and that means Israel must reoccupy Gaza and hunt down all the terrorists there. The first step in achieving peace in the ME is to throw out the Oslo Accords.

 

[Flash]

What mistake?

Humas is being funded by the money that Joe Potatohead gave to the Iranians Mullahs. Billions and billions of dollars. That buys a lot of weapons.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Do you know what the population density of Gaza is? Don't be stupid. And they cannot leave, if you make them leave, that is genocide.

No, it would be the same as the Jews being expelled from Gaza in 1920, TransJordan in 1925 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

But fear not, Israel is not going to attack the whole population and MARCH them off as it was done by the British and the Hashemites to the Jews.

And NO. Gaza is not as densely populated as Palestinians would like the world to believe.

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Here are population and area stats comparing the Gaza Strip with Manhattan Island. You can calculate the density by dividing total population by area (in square miles or square kilometers).

Manhattan Island

population (2012)

1.69 million

area

22.7 square miles (or 58.8 square kilometers)

Gaza Strip

population


1.76 million (Index Mundi – 2013)

1.8 million (CIA World Factbook — 2014)

area

360 square miles (Information Please)

density of Gaza Strip

9,713 per square mile (Information Please)

density of Manhattan Island

74,449 per square mile

This web page has numbers for population density in many countries (here)

So we see that Manhattan Island is considerably greater in population density than the Gaza Strip. It is 7.66 times denser. That won’t make much difference to the fanatic Israel haters, but that is the real figure.

Nevertheless, those who think that Gaza is too densely populated should allow Gazans to emigrate to greener pastures.



SOURCES CIA World Factbook, Information Please, Index Mundi, Chacha., Ask.com,

Is Gaza Really the Most Densely Populated Place on Earth? — If So, Let Them Migrate

From the blog of Elliott A. Green at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

What are you talking about? KSA has already spoken out about Israeli responsibility for Hamas... along with the rest of the Arab world.

I have already posted that some Arab countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar have already sided with Hamas.

Keep up with the posts.

 

[Sixties Fan]

They were appeasing the parents of young Israeli soldiers. Weren't you around? Don't you remember?

What parents of young Israeli soldiers?
Why can you never give sources?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Israel is a real state with a real army, it does not need to resort to guerilla tactics. The responses have always been disproportionate, the number of civilian casualties always much higher among Palestinians.

Israel does nothing to protect Palestinians living in the West Bank or Gaza, on the contrary, it uses the fear of violence to try to keep them in line. To call it "terrorism" is uncommon in the modern world, because it is usually used for non-state entities, but terror is clearly a factor. Not to mention the settlers.

Sure, there have been times when settlers or soldiers have been convicted, but it's super rare, like 1% of the time or less.

You are just touting anti Israel propaganda lines without consulting the facts. First of all, the term disproportionate refers to whether the collateral damage from an attack is proportionate to the value of the target and has nothing to do with the comparative numbers of casualties. The higher number of Palestinian casualties is the result of the fact that the Gaza terrorists fire rockets and artillery from residential areas, using Palestinian civilians as human shields, to discourage the IDF from returning fire, and the fact that they do not build bomb shelters or allow civilians to enter their extensive tunnel networks under the city. Clearly, in times of conflict, Israel has made more of an effort to protect Palestinian civilians than the Palestinian leaderships have.

The only control Israel tries to exert over the Palestinians in Gaza or Judea or Samaria is to prevent them from killing Israelis. Keep in mind that during the negotiations that followed the Oslo Accords, Israel offered the PA 93% of the land of Gaza and Judea and Samaria in exchange for peace, and Arafat refused to accept it and launched the second intifada instead, and eight years later, Israel offered Abbas even more land and joint jurisdiction over Jerusalem and Abbas refused to accept it, so if the conditions for the Palestinians are harsh it is because they have chosen to continue the conflict and have consistently refused to make peace with Israel.

 

[toomuchtime_]

What are you talking about? KSA has already spoken out about Israeli responsibility for Hamas... along with the rest of the Arab world.

What a stupid thing to say! Back in the 1970's when Hamas presented itself as a religious social service organization, Israel did allow it to operate without interference but then the Hamas leaders transformed it into a terrorist organization, which is an entirely different from the Hamas Israel helped.

 

[Billo_Really]

Let us all join together in sorrow for the dead & injured Israeli citizens & for the many thousands of dead & injured Palestinian citizens to come due to the Palestinian mentality of their leadership.

Israel started this war with that attack on the al-aqba mosque. And really, what do you expect them to do after 56 years of oppression and tyranny from the Israeli government.

You want peace? End the occupation!

 

[toomuchtime_]

They were appeasing the parents of young Israeli soldiers. Weren't you around? Don't you remember?

And they were both, leaving Gaza and releasing thousands of terrorists in exchange for a few Israelis. The only rational course of action now is for Israel to reoccupy Gaza and hunt down and wipe out the terrorists.

 

[Godboy]

Israel helped spawn Hamas as a foil against the PLO.

They are all the same. They are scumbag palestinians. They need to be wiped out once and for all.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What are you talking about? KSA has already spoken out about Israeli responsibility for Hamas... along with the rest of the Arab world.

That's irrelevant.