Bachmann signs The Family Lead pledge

[Si modo]

What if we banned all internet porn and REALLY cracked down on it? What if you had to actually go down to the smut shop in person, like the olden days?

That would make it much harder for teens to get ahold of porn (unless they're buying it offline to be delivered).

Would anyone here object?

Yes. I would.

First of all, there is no clear delineation between what is porn and what isn't. So, it's difficult to ban something when you can't define it.

Secondly, as the internet is international, our banning it won't make a lick of difference in its online availability. Of course, our federal government could pull a China/Google thing, but I am beyond uncomfortable with that sort of crap.

I AM comfortable in giving parents the best tools available to protect their children from being exposed to it online.

It's impossible to restrict porn online unless you're sitting over your kid's shoulder. Plus they can just go to their friend's house.

As far as a delineation on what porn 'is' - I think it can be figured out.

We already prohibit the viewing or distribution of child porn. That is available online and happens to be a booming industry overseas. Child sex slaves. Disgusting. I can't imagine you object to that ban.

Purposely exposing your kids to pornography is sexual assault in many places, and for good reason.

Personally, I don't disagree with you.

Pragmatically, I do. The logistics to ban it are non existent if we want to value free speech.

To me, free speech is THE most important right to guard to remain a free society. And, sometimes - often - we have to protect the most offensive speech to keep our speech free.

 

[jillian]

Yes. I would.

First of all, there is no clear delineation between what is porn and what isn't. So, it's difficult to ban something when you can't define it.

Secondly, as the internet is international, our banning it won't make a lick of difference in its online availability. Of course, our federal government could pull a China/Google thing, but I am beyond uncomfortable with that sort of crap.

I AM comfortable in giving parents the best tools available to protect their children from being exposed to it online.

It's impossible to restrict porn online unless you're sitting over your kid's shoulder. Plus they can just go to their friend's house.

As far as a delineation on what porn 'is' - I think it can be figured out.

We already prohibit the viewing or distribution of child porn. That is available online and happens to be a booming industry overseas. Child sex slaves. Disgusting. I can't imagine you object to that ban.

Purposely exposing your kids to pornography is sexual assault in many places, and for good reason.

Personally, I don't disagree with you.

Pragmatically, I do. The logistics to ban it are non existent if we want to value free speech.

To me, free speech is THE most important right to guard to remain a free society. And, sometimes - often - we have to protect the most offensive speech to keep our speech free.

if it weren't offensive, it wouldn't need protection.

 

[Si modo]

It's impossible to restrict porn online unless you're sitting over your kid's shoulder. Plus they can just go to their friend's house.

As far as a delineation on what porn 'is' - I think it can be figured out.

We already prohibit the viewing or distribution of child porn. That is available online and happens to be a booming industry overseas. Child sex slaves. Disgusting. I can't imagine you object to that ban.

Purposely exposing your kids to pornography is sexual assault in many places, and for good reason.

Personally, I don't disagree with you.

Pragmatically, I do. The logistics to ban it are non existent if we want to value free speech.

To me, free speech is THE most important right to guard to remain a free society. And, sometimes - often - we have to protect the most offensive speech to keep our speech free.

if it weren't offensive, it wouldn't need protection.

Exactly.

 

[jillian]

Don't hide. I asked you what you thought.

who's hiding? EDUCATE YOURSELF. there are constitutional standards. that was just one case. loons can't just ban what they don't like.

Stop talking as though the courts have never backtracked or voided a previous ruling. Stop acting as though the court is the end all be all. You most certainly wouldn't be making this argument if we were talking about Lawrence before SCOTUS had made its ruling.

It isn't about morals or free speech. For me, it's the harm principle. And I fully support government regulation when it comes to the porn industry.

and the courts here are correct. no one cares what offends you or what *you* think is harmful.

that is why there is a 1st amendment.

but assume you could ban "porn"... what is "porn"?

go ahead... talk about standards. is a naked statue porn? the psycho john ashcroft thought it was and covered all naked statues at the department of justice.

 

[shintao]

how do they define pornography?

Take a look:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/The-Family-Leader-Presidential-Pledge.pdf

#9 under the "Candidate vow". Pretty clear it says all forms of pornography.

yeah it does. but how does one define pornography?

Something you do after you broke the *****...........................

 

[CitizenPained]

Yes. I would.

First of all, there is no clear delineation between what is porn and what isn't. So, it's difficult to ban something when you can't define it.

Secondly, as the internet is international, our banning it won't make a lick of difference in its online availability. Of course, our federal government could pull a China/Google thing, but I am beyond uncomfortable with that sort of crap.

I AM comfortable in giving parents the best tools available to protect their children from being exposed to it online.

It's impossible to restrict porn online unless you're sitting over your kid's shoulder. Plus they can just go to their friend's house.

As far as a delineation on what porn 'is' - I think it can be figured out.

We already prohibit the viewing or distribution of child porn. That is available online and happens to be a booming industry overseas. Child sex slaves. Disgusting. I can't imagine you object to that ban.

Purposely exposing your kids to pornography is sexual assault in many places, and for good reason.

Personally, I don't disagree with you.

Pragmatically, I do. The logistics to ban it are non existent if we want to value free speech.

To me, free speech is THE most important right to guard to remain a free society. And, sometimes - often - we have to protect the most offensive speech to keep our speech free.

It would be nice if we could tighten security on the internet, though. "You must be 18 to enter" is maybe not good enough.

eta: I think this will come back to the Courts eventually.

 

[shintao]

If your standard is actual harm, however you define it, how can you you be sure that no harm occurs? If your standard is simply consent then you are fine not to actually care.

Pornography is fine. Coercion is harmful, whether for pornography, labor, sex, money, etc.

I love the part where homosexuality is a subset of promiscuity.

And all women should marry for fear of economic hardship. Sounds an awful lot like coercing a sexual relationship to me.

I had to look that word up mom, because I don't see anyone being forced to act indecent before the screen. I think that is a scare tactic used by moralists and other misguided control freaks.

co·erce verb \kō-ˈərs\
co·ercedco·erc·ing

Definition of COERCE
transitive verb
1: to restrain or dominate by force <religion in the past has tried to coerce the irreligious — W. R. Inge>
2: to compel to an act or choice <was coerced into agreeing>

 

[shintao]

It's impossible to restrict porn online unless you're sitting over your kid's shoulder. Plus they can just go to their friend's house.

As far as a delineation on what porn 'is' - I think it can be figured out.

We already prohibit the viewing or distribution of child porn. That is available online and happens to be a booming industry overseas. Child sex slaves. Disgusting. I can't imagine you object to that ban.

Purposely exposing your kids to pornography is sexual assault in many places, and for good reason.

Personally, I don't disagree with you.

Pragmatically, I do. The logistics to ban it are non existent if we want to value free speech.

To me, free speech is THE most important right to guard to remain a free society. And, sometimes - often - we have to protect the most offensive speech to keep our speech free.

It would be nice if we could tighten security on the internet, though. "You must be 18 to enter" is maybe not good enough.

eta: I think this will come back to the Courts eventually.

How about we tighten security on parents & stop trying to deny freedoms to all Americans for the sake of a few. Hmmm?

 

[CitizenPained]

Obviously you know how easy it is to access porn. Tighten security on parents?

I donno, but I don't want my son to be looking at hxc porn online at 15. Sexuality is one thing, but kids are notoriously stupid and mentally undeveloped.

I most certainly don't want my (hypothetical) daughter dating a guy with a bondage porn addiction at age 16 or 17. Do you?

 

[elvis]

Obviously you know how easy it is to access porn. Tighten security on parents?

I donno, but I don't want my son to be looking at hxc porn online at 15. Sexuality is one thing, but kids are notoriously stupid and mentally undeveloped.

I most certainly don't want my (hypothetical) daughter dating a guy with a bondage porn addiction at age 16 or 17. Do you?

then it's your job to keep it away from him.

 

[shintao]

What if we banned all internet porn and REALLY cracked down on it? What if you had to actually go down to the smut shop in person, like the olden days?

That would make it much harder for teens to get ahold of porn (unless they're buying it offline to be delivered).

Would anyone here object?

Yes,..."Anytime you take away somebody's freedoms, you have just limited your own."

If a parent can't control their teen, why should I be punished to make him conform??

I haven't seen any scientific studies indicating teens are harmed by porn, so this must be another mythical moralist stance.

 

[Modbert]

then it's your job to keep it away from him.

 

[Si modo]

It's impossible to restrict porn online unless you're sitting over your kid's shoulder. Plus they can just go to their friend's house.

As far as a delineation on what porn 'is' - I think it can be figured out.

We already prohibit the viewing or distribution of child porn. That is available online and happens to be a booming industry overseas. Child sex slaves. Disgusting. I can't imagine you object to that ban.

Purposely exposing your kids to pornography is sexual assault in many places, and for good reason.

Personally, I don't disagree with you.

Pragmatically, I do. The logistics to ban it are non existent if we want to value free speech.

To me, free speech is THE most important right to guard to remain a free society. And, sometimes - often - we have to protect the most offensive speech to keep our speech free.

It would be nice if we could tighten security on the internet, though. "You must be 18 to enter" is maybe not good enough.

....

Funny, I was just thinking about that exact thing.

With biometrics used on many machines for security purposes (fingerprint scans, for example), maybe require all machines have biometrics enabled. Then register your kid's print.

Just thinking out loud for the moment, but I'm sounding rather Big Brotherish right now.

Gonna ponder the problem more..........

But, I'm thinking as time goes on, the days of being able to remain willfully anonymous are going away very quickly for all of us.

Freakin' A - one can find out where their kid is at anytime using their cellular account software. AT&T Family Map

 

[CitizenPained]

God damn. Kids don't even spend this much time on homework.

Teens spend average of 87 hours a year looking at porn online

The study of 1,000 youngsters found the average teenager was online 31 hours each week looking at soft pornography, plastic surgery, dieting, family planning and emotional support.
Teenagers are spending more than eight hours a week browsing the internet for soft porn, plastic surgery and family planning websites

Teenagers are spending more than eight hours a week browsing the internet for soft porn, plastic surgery and family planning websites.

Another hour and eight minutes is dedicated to exploring cosmetic surgery websites, to learn about breast surgery, bum lifts and collagen implants.

wtf? What happened to worrying about movie stars and baseball?

 

[shintao]

Obviously you know how easy it is to access porn. Tighten security on parents?

Hmm, yes, quite easy as it should be in a free state. Raising teens is a parent problem I don't want my rights taken away for.

I donno, but I don't want my son to be looking at hxc porn online at 15. Sexuality is one thing, but kids are notoriously stupid and mentally undeveloped.

Then control your child's use of the pc like a moralist parent should do.

I most certainly don't want my (hypothetical) daughter dating a guy with a bondage porn addiction at age 16 or 17. Do you?

Sexual preferences have psychological roots unrelated to porn. If you have communication with the child, she will be able to tell you if anything weird is going on.

 

[Modbert]

God damn. Kids don't even spend this much time on homework.

Teens spend average of 87 hours a year looking at porn online

The study of 1,000 youngsters found the average teenager was online 31 hours each week looking at soft pornography, plastic surgery, dieting, family planning and emotional support.
Teenagers are spending more than eight hours a week browsing the internet for soft porn, plastic surgery and family planning websites

Teenagers are spending more than eight hours a week browsing the internet for soft porn, plastic surgery and family planning websites.

Another hour and eight minutes is dedicated to exploring cosmetic surgery websites, to learn about breast surgery, bum lifts and collagen implants.

wtf? What happened to worrying about movie stars and baseball?

Not sure I would put much into a Daily Mail article.

That being said, eight hours a week searching for porn? They must not be looking very hard.

 

[shintao]

God damn. Kids don't even spend this much time on homework.

Teens spend average of 87 hours a year looking at porn online

The study of 1,000 youngsters found the average teenager was online 31 hours each week looking at soft pornography, plastic surgery, dieting, family planning and emotional support.
Teenagers are spending more than eight hours a week browsing the internet for soft porn, plastic surgery and family planning websites

Teenagers are spending more than eight hours a week browsing the internet for soft porn, plastic surgery and family planning websites.

Another hour and eight minutes is dedicated to exploring cosmetic surgery websites, to learn about breast surgery, bum lifts and collagen implants.

wtf? What happened to worrying about movie stars and baseball?

So you are telling me that parents have lost control of their childern. How is that my problem?

How about you kick their little ass & take the pc away from them?

I collected a bunch of oldies music at youtube & noticed that in the 50's the big deal was just getting a kiss. Today it is get it down on the ground and get it on. That is the reality.

NOTE: So you know. You can stick a program on a pc to stop a child from ever seeing a porn site, along with any sexual scientific materials, chat room talk, etc. Another program monitors where they surf, and you can play cop over your child. You can install a password to prevent them getting online, downloading, etc.

 

[CitizenPained]

To those that say I should 'keep a better watch' over my kid - you know you're advocating Authoritarian Prison Parenting, right?

If there were a way that ensured all people who view porn online where 18 or older (or at least reasonably), would you object?

You have to show an ID to buy alcohol or go the dildo store, so *shrug*. Why would you care? With liberty comes responsibility.

As far as kids go:

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For obvious reasons, it's kind of hard to figure out what the net effect is on teens, but I'm sure we'll find out. It's definitely of interest. You can't ignore pregnancy, abortion, STDS (oh god, I sound like a Republican, but I swear, I'm just a teacher/parent...) and the like.

Still, it's illegal to sell porn or distribute it to kids but porn sites clearly don't give a shit. Why can't we make them follow the law? Why do some people here object to that?


this thread is making me laugh. "DON'T TAKE AWAY MY GOD GIVEN NATURAL RIGHT TO EASILY ACCESS BONDAGE SO I CAN WANK OFF ON THE INTERNET!"

 

[elvis]

To those that say I should 'keep a better watch' over my kid - you know you're advocating Authoritarian Prison Parenting, right?

If there were a way that ensured all people who view porn online where 18 or older (or at least reasonably), would you object?

You have to show an ID to buy alcohol or go the dildo store, so *shrug*. Why would you care? With liberty comes responsibility.

As far as kids go:

one
two

For obvious reasons, it's kind of hard to figure out what the net effect is on teens, but I'm sure we'll find out. It's definitely of interest. You can't ignore pregnancy, abortion, STDS (oh god, I sound like a Republican, but I swear, I'm just a teacher/parent...) and the like.

Still, it's illegal to sell porn or distribute it to kids but porn sites clearly don't give a shit. Why can't we make them follow the law? Why some people here object to that?

authoritarian prison parenting vs. authoritarian prison society....

hmmm.

 

[Si modo]

To those that say I should 'keep a better watch' over my kid - you know you're advocating Authoritarian Prison Parenting, right?

If there were a way that ensured all people who view porn online where 18 or older (or at least reasonably), would you object?

You have to show an ID to buy alcohol or go the dildo store, so *shrug*. Why would you care? With liberty comes responsibility.

As far as kids go:

one
two

For obvious reasons, it's kind of hard to figure out what the net effect is on teens, but I'm sure we'll find out. It's definitely of interest. You can't ignore pregnancy, abortion, STDS (oh god, I sound like a Republican, but I swear, I'm just a teacher/parent...) and the like.

Still, it's illegal to sell porn or distribute it to kids but porn sites clearly don't give a shit. Why can't we make them follow the law? Why some people here object to that?

authoritarian prison parenting vs. authoritarian prison society....

hmmm.

That's it in a nutshell.