August 6

[RetiredGySgt]

A-Bombing of Japan Was Unnecessary


Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins: Current Events in Historical Perspective

Chicago Tribune History

Was Hiroshima Necessary?

The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources The Japanese had NO intention of surrendering, even after 2 atomic bombs the emperor had to intervene and even then the Army attempted a coup to stop the surrender.

 

[Unkotare]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

I only remember the victims of Pearl Harbor. Japan should have thought ahead of the consequences, they brought the victims on themselves. Truman did the right thing and should anyone do it again, I hope Trump nukes them into little glass beads. In the right hands, the nuclear bomb has kept the peace for over 70 years.

You think those 130,000 + women and children were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Pearl Harbor Naval Base?

 

[Unkotare]

A-Bombing of Japan Was Unnecessary


Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins: Current Events in Historical Perspective

Chicago Tribune History

Was Hiroshima Necessary?

The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources The Japanese had NO intention of surrendering.....

That is untrue. If you’re going to quote something, at least read it.

 

[Unkotare]

Whitehall, you are an idiot. Japan was nowhere near surrender. ....

Yes it was. Feelers had been sent out sometime prior for terms to sue for peace.

Again the ONLY terms Japanese Government offered was a ceasefire and return to Nov 1941 start lines.

The terms offered were the same as what was eventually accepted anyway.

Wrong the Japanese demanded that the war end they be given back all their lost territory and the lines revert to Nov 1941.

Read the Chicago Tribune story.

 

[Unkotare]

"Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, for his part, stated in his memoirs that when notified by Secretary of War Henry Stimson of the decision to use atomic weapons, he “voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives…” He later publicly declared “…it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.” Even the famous “hawk” Maj. Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Twenty-First Bomber Command, went public the month after the bombing, telling the press that “the atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.”"

Ike was in the European Theater and had no first hand knowledge.

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.

As I said earlier, I have a friend who was being shot at on August 6.

"Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, for his part, stated in his memoirs that when notified by Secretary of War Henry Stimson of the decision to use atomic weapons, he “voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives…” He later publicly declared “…it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.” Even the famous “hawk” Maj. Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Twenty-First Bomber Command, went public the month after the bombing, telling the press that “the atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.”"

Ike was in the European Theater and had no first hand knowledge.

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.....

Now you're just making a fool of yourself.

And for the record, I've got a number of friends who were in the Pacific at the time. Air, sea and land. Only one is left on this earth now. Also, one of my best friends was a Japanese citizen for decades after I met him. His dad was in the Imperial Japanese Army during the war. And when he came to see his son in 1988 I treated them to an Angels baseball game because they both loved baseball.

But the stories of my American military friends and the historical facts we now know is what drives my opinion.

You can say maybe this and maybe that, but there are no facts to support your hypothetical scenarios.

Are you drunk? I’m the one providing FACTS and direct quotes from political and military leaders of the time. You’ve offered nothing but vague references to personal anecdotes.

Read the links I provided, and try harder.

 

[toobfreak]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

I only remember the victims of Pearl Harbor. Japan should have thought ahead of the consequences, they brought the victims on themselves. Truman did the right thing and should anyone do it again, I hope Trump nukes them into little glass beads. In the right hands, the nuclear bomb has kept the peace for over 70 years.

You think those 130,000 + women and children were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Pearl Harbor Naval Base?

Doesn't matter. Casualties of war. I care a lot more about all the helpless and innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor, beguiled by false Japanese promises of peace. The Japanese tried the ultimate cowardly sneak, and they got the ass-whooping they deserved. I only wish we would have dropped a third bomb, maybe AFTER the surrender, just for good measure.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Ike was in the European Theater and had no first hand knowledge.

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.

As I said earlier, I have a friend who was being shot at on August 6.

Ike was in the European Theater and had no first hand knowledge.

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.....

Now you're just making a fool of yourself.

And for the record, I've got a number of friends who were in the Pacific at the time. Air, sea and land. Only one is left on this earth now. Also, one of my best friends was a Japanese citizen for decades after I met him. His dad was in the Imperial Japanese Army during the war. And when he came to see his son in 1988 I treated them to an Angels baseball game because they both loved baseball.

But the stories of my American military friends and the historical facts we now know is what drives my opinion.

You can say maybe this and maybe that, but there are no facts to support your hypothetical scenarios.

Are you drunk? I’m the one providing FACTS and direct quotes from political and military leaders of the time. You’ve offered nothing but vague references to personal anecdotes.

Read the links I provided, and try harder.

I can provide links that the moon is made from cheese.

Fact remains Japan was not surrendering and was in the process of butchering innocents.

 

[Unkotare]

I'd rather remember those killed at Pearl Harbor.Japan brought the atomic bomb on themselves

Japan had already been defeated by the time we dropped the bombs. We were fire bombing their cities because they no longer had an air force to oppose us. We had already killed far more civilians than they did, and then we decided to drop the bombs anyway. The bombs were dropped just for the sake of dropping them. Our military incinerated innocent men, women and children just to test the bombs on a civilian population. It was disgusting. We have no right to criticize anybody.

Japan had no intention of surrendering. The Council was controlled by hardliners and ONLY after the 2nd atomic bomb was dropped did the Emperor intervene to end the war and then the Army staged a Coup to stop THAT.

They had no air force left. We were bringing terror from the skies completely unopposed. Surrender was inevitable. It wasn't necessary to do what we did. It was out of a lack of respect for life.

Wrong as usual the Japanese Government intended to hold out for a negotiated settlement, guess what they wanted? Wait you do not have to guess they stated it. They wanted basically a ceasefire where all land taken from them was returned and we went back to the Nov 1941 start lines everywhere but China. No foreigners in Japan and removal of their Government. They made this demand even AFTER the first bomb was dropped and after the second they still refused to surrender, it took the intervention of the Emperor to end the war and THEN the Army which controlled the Government staged a Coup to prevent the Emperor from surrendering.

It's always been my understanding that Japan really wanted to invade the US mainland, ....

You think anyone was that stupid?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A-Bombing of Japan Was Unnecessary


Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins: Current Events in Historical Perspective

Chicago Tribune History

Was Hiroshima Necessary?

The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources The Japanese had NO intention of surrendering.....

That is untrue. If you’re going to quote something, at least read it.

I read it retard.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ike was in the European Theater and had no first hand knowledge.

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.

As I said earlier, I have a friend who was being shot at on August 6.

Ike was in the European Theater and had no first hand knowledge.

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.....

Now you're just making a fool of yourself.

And for the record, I've got a number of friends who were in the Pacific at the time. Air, sea and land. Only one is left on this earth now. Also, one of my best friends was a Japanese citizen for decades after I met him. His dad was in the Imperial Japanese Army during the war. And when he came to see his son in 1988 I treated them to an Angels baseball game because they both loved baseball.

But the stories of my American military friends and the historical facts we now know is what drives my opinion.

You can say maybe this and maybe that, but there are no facts to support your hypothetical scenarios.

Are you drunk? I’m the one providing FACTS and direct quotes from political and military leaders of the time. You’ve offered nothing but vague references to personal anecdotes.

Read the links I provided, and try harder.

None of the military leaders you find in any of those stories were involved in fighting the Japanese and had zero clue what it was like. As for 130000 innocent Japanese guess what dumb ass the Japanese Government ordered its civilian population to arm itself with bamboo spears and human wave attack any landings and based on the actions of the Japanese populations on Saipan and Okinawa they would have done it too.

As for surrender what part of the Emperor had to intervene don't you understand? What part of the Army attempted a Coup to stop the Emperor from surrenderig DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

 

[Unkotare]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

I only remember the victims of Pearl Harbor. Japan should have thought ahead of the consequences, they brought the victims on themselves. Truman did the right thing and should anyone do it again, I hope Trump nukes them into little glass beads. In the right hands, the nuclear bomb has kept the peace for over 70 years.

You think those 130,000 + women and children were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Pearl Harbor Naval Base?

Doesn't matter. Casualties of war. I care a lot more about all the helpless and innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor, beguiled by false Japanese promises of peace. The Japanese tried the ultimate cowardly sneak, and they got the ass-whooping they deserved. I only wish we would have dropped a third bomb, maybe AFTER the surrender, just for good measure.

“Doesn’t matter”? Loss of civilian life on that scale doesn’t matter? Our military leaders - men far your superior - would not be so cavalier.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

I only remember the victims of Pearl Harbor. Japan should have thought ahead of the consequences, they brought the victims on themselves. Truman did the right thing and should anyone do it again, I hope Trump nukes them into little glass beads. In the right hands, the nuclear bomb has kept the peace for over 70 years.

You think those 130,000 + women and children were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Pearl Harbor Naval Base?

Doesn't matter. Casualties of war. I care a lot more about all the helpless and innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor, beguiled by false Japanese promises of peace. The Japanese tried the ultimate cowardly sneak, and they got the ass-whooping they deserved. I only wish we would have dropped a third bomb, maybe AFTER the surrender, just for good measure.

“Doesn’t matter”? Loss of civilian life on that scale doesn’t matter? Our military leaders - men far your superior - would not be so cavalier.

Again dumb ass the japanese Government had NO INTENTION of surrendering. After 2 atomic Bombs they refused to surrender and had to be ordered to by the Emperor and then they attempted a Coup to stop THAT.

 

[Unkotare]

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.

As I said earlier, I have a friend who was being shot at on August 6.

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.....

Now you're just making a fool of yourself.

And for the record, I've got a number of friends who were in the Pacific at the time. Air, sea and land. Only one is left on this earth now. Also, one of my best friends was a Japanese citizen for decades after I met him. His dad was in the Imperial Japanese Army during the war. And when he came to see his son in 1988 I treated them to an Angels baseball game because they both loved baseball.

But the stories of my American military friends and the historical facts we now know is what drives my opinion.

You can say maybe this and maybe that, but there are no facts to support your hypothetical scenarios.

Are you drunk? I’m the one providing FACTS and direct quotes from political and military leaders of the time. You’ve offered nothing but vague references to personal anecdotes.

Read the links I provided, and try harder.

I can provide links that the moon is made from cheese.

....

In other words, you have none.

 

[Unkotare]

A-Bombing of Japan Was Unnecessary


Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins: Current Events in Historical Perspective

Chicago Tribune History

Was Hiroshima Necessary?

The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources The Japanese had NO intention of surrendering.....

That is untrue. If you’re going to quote something, at least read it.

I read it ...

It sure doesn’t seem so.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A-Bombing of Japan Was Unnecessary


Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins: Current Events in Historical Perspective

Chicago Tribune History

Was Hiroshima Necessary?

The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources The Japanese had NO intention of surrendering.....

That is untrue. If you’re going to quote something, at least read it.

I read it ...

It sure doesn’t seem so.

Again for the slow and painfully STUPID the Japanese Government REFUSED to surrender even after 2 atomic bombs, the Emperor intervened and ordered the surrender and the Japanese Army attempted a Coup to stop that. So tell us again how they were just gonna surrender again?

 

[Unkotare]

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.

As I said earlier, I have a friend who was being shot at on August 6.

I knew the yeabuts were coming...

Ike was not involved. Deal with it.....

Now you're just making a fool of yourself.

And for the record, I've got a number of friends who were in the Pacific at the time. Air, sea and land. Only one is left on this earth now. Also, one of my best friends was a Japanese citizen for decades after I met him. His dad was in the Imperial Japanese Army during the war. And when he came to see his son in 1988 I treated them to an Angels baseball game because they both loved baseball.

But the stories of my American military friends and the historical facts we now know is what drives my opinion.

You can say maybe this and maybe that, but there are no facts to support your hypothetical scenarios.

Are you drunk? I’m the one providing FACTS and direct quotes from political and military leaders of the time. You’ve offered nothing but vague references to personal anecdotes.

Read the links I provided, and try harder.

None of the military leaders you find in any of those stories were involved in fighting the Japanese and had zero clue what it was like. ...?

But you do?

I wonder why Generals and Admirals make decisions on planning and executing military strategy instead of every private in every branch?

 

[Unkotare]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

I only remember the victims of Pearl Harbor. Japan should have thought ahead of the consequences, they brought the victims on themselves. Truman did the right thing and should anyone do it again, I hope Trump nukes them into little glass beads. In the right hands, the nuclear bomb has kept the peace for over 70 years.

You think those 130,000 + women and children were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Pearl Harbor Naval Base?

Doesn't matter. Casualties of war. I care a lot more about all the helpless and innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor, beguiled by false Japanese promises of peace. The Japanese tried the ultimate cowardly sneak, and they got the ass-whooping they deserved. I only wish we would have dropped a third bomb, maybe AFTER the surrender, just for good measure.

“Doesn’t matter”? Loss of civilian life on that scale doesn’t matter? Our military leaders - men far your superior - would not be so cavalier.

Again dumb ass the japanese Government had NO INTENTION of surrendering. ...

That is your speculation at most. Read the links.

 

[toobfreak]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

I only remember the victims of Pearl Harbor. Japan should have thought ahead of the consequences, they brought the victims on themselves. Truman did the right thing and should anyone do it again, I hope Trump nukes them into little glass beads. In the right hands, the nuclear bomb has kept the peace for over 70 years.

You think those 130,000 + women and children were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Pearl Harbor Naval Base?

Doesn't matter. Casualties of war. I care a lot more about all the helpless and innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor, beguiled by false Japanese promises of peace. The Japanese tried the ultimate cowardly sneak, and they got the ass-whooping they deserved. I only wish we would have dropped a third bomb, maybe AFTER the surrender, just for good measure.

“Doesn’t matter”? Loss of civilian life on that scale doesn’t matter? Our military leaders - men far your superior - would not be so cavalier.

DOESN'T MATTER, Shithead. I am so sick of your sniveling and whining, can't blame America for everything fast enough. I care no more than I did all the dead Germans (I'm German) it took to stop Hitler. It doesn't matter if 500,000 innocent Germans were killed to get to Hitler, all that mattered is that HE STARTED IT and we were going to stop him AT ANY COST. If those people in Japan were an expendable loss to their own damned government, then they certainly were to us. Killing them SAVED LIVES in the total big picture and that is all that mattered.

As a matter of fact, more lives than that were lost, killed by ISIS, due to Obama's intransigence over calling ISIS a JV team. Suck on that.

Shoulda nuked the entire Japanese archipelago then there wouldn't have been no need to surrender anyone.

 

[Unkotare]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

I only remember the victims of Pearl Harbor. Japan should have thought ahead of the consequences, they brought the victims on themselves. Truman did the right thing and should anyone do it again, I hope Trump nukes them into little glass beads. In the right hands, the nuclear bomb has kept the peace for over 70 years.

You think those 130,000 + women and children were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Pearl Harbor Naval Base?

Doesn't matter. Casualties of war. I care a lot more about all the helpless and innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor, beguiled by false Japanese promises of peace. The Japanese tried the ultimate cowardly sneak, and they got the ass-whooping they deserved. I only wish we would have dropped a third bomb, maybe AFTER the surrender, just for good measure.

“Doesn’t matter”? Loss of civilian life on that scale doesn’t matter? Our military leaders - men far your superior - would not be so cavalier.

....

Shoulda nuked the entire Japanese archipelago then there wouldn't have been no need to surrender anyone.

We didn’t have any more A-bombs at that point, dumbass.

 

[Unkotare]

1945


73 years have passed since the first use of an atomic weapon in war. Most of the 150,000 victims were civilians. Women, children, the elderly. The effects of this new weapon on real people shocked the conscience of the world, and its use at that time is still debated to this day.

Regardless of one's position on Truman's decision, it is fitting to take a moment to remember so many lives taken and the horror of war in general. There is a reason the monument to the event in the city is called the Peace Park.

I only remember the victims of Pearl Harbor. Japan should have thought ahead of the consequences, they brought the victims on themselves. Truman did the right thing and should anyone do it again, I hope Trump nukes them into little glass beads. In the right hands, the nuclear bomb has kept the peace for over 70 years.

You think those 130,000 + women and children were part of the planning and execution of the attack on the Pearl Harbor Naval Base?

Doesn't matter. Casualties of war. I care a lot more about all the helpless and innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor, beguiled by false Japanese promises of peace. The Japanese tried the ultimate cowardly sneak, and they got the ass-whooping they deserved. I only wish we would have dropped a third bomb, maybe AFTER the surrender, just for good measure.

“Doesn’t matter”? Loss of civilian life on that scale doesn’t matter? Our military leaders - men far your superior - would not be so cavalier.

DOESN'T MATTER, Shithead. ....

Empty blather from an irrelevant gas bag.