Attention gays and obama worshipers

[emilynghiem]

Marriage is an overrated sham. The fags are welcome to the misery too


That is all.

It is symbolic.

And maybe it will lead to using this same defense to start
protecting ALL people's beliefs to the same degree and not just rallying for gay rights because that is politically popular.

If the argument is that marriage is fundamental and not up to the political process to vote and decide,
why not freedom of choice to pay and provide health care as part of natural freedom, and not up to federal mandates to dictate.

What else can we argue is fundamental and should not be decided by politics?

 

[bendog]

The same thing that happens when Bill and Fred demand that a Catholic Priest marry them.

They will be disappointed.

Then they can march down to the Justice of the Peace and get married.

will you have a gay pride march around every catholic church and mosque? Maybe a mosque in Iran would be a good place to start.

Me? I don't have gay pride parades- though there is one this weekend- should be an extra fun one because of this decision.

Meanwhile- no one is whining about 'gay marriage in the church' except for homophobes like you- you can have your own little anti-gay parade juggling your dildos.

Dear Syriusly
No, the Christians are not allowed to have their beliefs shared in public.
Bibles, crosses, nativity scenes, any reference to the Christian beliefs are struck down as
"violating separation of church and state"

Fines of 5,000 per day have been ordered by Court rulings if a cross was not removed from public property.

So it is not okay, it is not a "fundamental right" for religious freedom for Christians
but when it comes to "fundamental rights" of gays to express their beliefs about pride or marriage,
suddenly that's protected by law from discrimination.

While it's okay to harass and exclude Christians as long as someone doesn't agree or share those views.
but if you do that with gay beliefs, the person offended is blamed.
Just not Atheists suing who are offended by a cross.

Who gave you the right to put up a cross on "public" property?

Any designer of any of these memorials or buildings can put
crosses or any other references on them as long as nobody complains.

That's how they got there in the first place.

Many memorials were BUILT or designed that way,
and the complaints only came later. So if nobody sues over it, there is no action to remove them.

The Texas capitol has Biblical references that were sued over.
but the Texas courts ruled that the Bible was a Historical reference and had purpose for being there
besides just religious. it is historical fact that the Bible influenced the laws we have today, so it was
ruled part of the history and not just religious, and not ordered for removal.

So people either complain or consent, and officials in govt either rule to agree or disagree.

That is the basis for why things are removed or not.

it is based on who consents or doesn't consent.
Ideally it should be based on CONSENSUS so nobody's opinions
are favored more or less than anyone else, and all people are treated EQUALLY.

Consensus would ensure equal inclusion and representation.
But majority rule and political force invite bullying and coercion
where not all people consent so not all beliefs are represented equally in the final decision.

I argue that is unconstitutional when it comes to beliefs.
If people AGREE to put a conflict up to a vote, that is a form of consenting.
but when people DON'T consent to put their beliefs up to a vote, then a decision favoring one belief over others cannot
be imposed by govt without violating the First and Fourteenth Amendment on equal religious freedom
and protection from discrimination by creed.

Here in the new SC ruling, the proponents are basically saying that the right to marriage
cannot be decided by vote; so that should apply to BOTH the beliefs in gay marriage or traditional marriage.
Neither should be decided by state, vote or court ruling,
but should be left to individual free choice and kept free from govt interference under religious freedom
of people to exercise their beliefs. This means to keep govt out of it, not to impose through govt.

Well, I don't see how buildings have anything to do with laws conveying some status that allow benefits to individuals. But, with public buildings, I'd think you'd be happy with courts generally deferring to letting religious symbols stay on public buildings when there was some civic reason to add them and they've been there a long time.

As to SSM, I think the court's opinion would allow for states to completely get out of the marriage business. And have the only way to get married is to find some cleric. And the only way to get divorced, or child support or divide a marital estate would be either in a prenup or agreed contract. I'd be chaos, but if that's your state's choice, I guess you could do it.

 

[Skylar]

Christians are absolutely allowed to share their beliefs in public.


Christians do not have the right to impose their beliefs on public property.

And no- its not okay to harass or exclude Christians- everyone should be treated the same regardless of their religious belief- or lack thereof.

Syriusly
1. Then this should be applied to beliefs in GAY MARRIAGE ALSO!
having the right to practice this in private or express publicly
but NOT IMPOSE through PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS.

Why? Again, you're working from a flawed assumption: that the imposition of any belief is constitutionally invalid. ANd that's not true. In fact, its perfectly false. As any law and any court ruling are the imposition of a belief.

 

[Skylar]

Marriage is an overrated sham. The fags are welcome to the misery too


That is all.

It is symbolic.

And maybe it will lead to using this same defense to start
protecting ALL people's beliefs to the same degree and not just rallying for gay rights because that is politically popular.

If the argument is that marriage is fundamental and not up to the political process to vote and decide,

But what does 'marriage is fundamental' mean? How does it being 'fundamental' eliminate the possibility of state recognition?

 

[TheOldSchool]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

Maybe now YOU will STFU

What's to discuss... Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman. And obamaScare is a boondoggle designed to scuttle the US health insurance industry.

Its not like there's anything to debate.

SO all she needs to shut up is for you idiots to stop speaking lies that must be corrected.

Seems like the last thing you all want to do is stop talking about this!

There will be no stopping this... as 'this' has just been shoved over the precipice and will result in the destruction of the nation.

You should be on your knees praying to God that the 'talking about this' never stops... because when it does stop, the time for talking will be behind us, from there we defend our means to exercise our rights through means other than political.

 

[rightwinger]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

I'm willing to STFU about Obamacare

Are republicans?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

The actual question is can you and others on the right do that.

At this point the answer is likely no, as many conservatives have vowed to continue their efforts to deny same-sex couples their right to due process and equal protection of the law.

 

[J.E.D]

Oh my God. This is golden. Butthurt of the century. I'm so glad that I'm alive to witness this.

 

[L.K.Eder]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

Hahahaaaaaha

 

[L.K.Eder]

Dead by beheaaaaaaading. What difference at this point does it make in your case?

 

[usmcstinger]

Has SCOTUS told the states they must perform gay marriages? True Christian Churches will not perform gay marriages.

 

[rightwinger]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

The actual question is can you and others on the right do that.

At this point the answer is likely no, as many conservatives have vowed to continue their efforts to deny same-sex couples their right to due process and equal protection of the law.

Conservatives will use the same tactic they used against abortion. They lost in court but pass laws to humiliate the women, harass the clinics, make the process difficult to obtain

They will try the same thing with gay marriage

 

[Redfish]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

So you're creating yet another thread to talk about how we shouldn't be talking about this?

Its like watching a dog chase its own tail.

this thread asks if you libs will now shut up about it, apparently you won't.

You start a thread asking people not to comment about the thread?

I think this is just another of Redfish's "Someone please stop me from posting about Gay Marriage" pleas.

Soon he will be asking the Mods to close the thread so he won't be forced to post more about gay marriage.

Let's hope he doesn't set himself on fire.

Not a chance, but muslims are setting gays on fire all the time. Muslims are highly offended by this decision, I thought you libs would do anything to not offend muslims. WTF?

 

[Redfish]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

The actual question is can you and others on the right do that.

At this point the answer is likely no, as many conservatives have vowed to continue their efforts to deny same-sex couples their right to due process and equal protection of the law.

Conservatives will use the same tactic they used against abortion. They lost in court but pass laws to humiliate the women, harass the clinics, make the process difficult to obtain

They will try the same thing with gay marriage

Gay marriage is now legal. I believe that will damage our society, you don't. Time will tell who is right.

BTW, your muslims friends are very offended by this ruling and now hate the USA more than ever. I thought you libs didn't want to offend muslims.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

So you're creating yet another thread to talk about how we shouldn't be talking about this?

Its like watching a dog chase its own tail.

this thread asks if you libs will now shut up about it, apparently you won't.

You start a thread asking people not to comment about the thread?

I think this is just another of Redfish's "Someone please stop me from posting about Gay Marriage" pleas.

Soon he will be asking the Mods to close the thread so he won't be forced to post more about gay marriage.

Let's hope he doesn't set himself on fire.

Not a chance, but muslims are setting gays on fire all the time. Muslims are highly offended by this decision, I thought you libs would do anything to not offend muslims. WTF?

Don't think, you aren't any good at it.

 

[hazlnut]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

The problem is, the American Taliban (Tea Party) is not going to let this go.

 

[Redfish]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

The problem is, the American Taliban (Tea Party) is not going to let this go.

Would you give up your beliefs if this went against you?

For the record, the tea party is a movement, not a political party. It is a movement of patriots and people who believe in the constitution, individual freedom, lower taxes, and smaller less intrusive government.

 

[bodecea]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

Actually we won and the country won.

 

[bodecea]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

What happened to you saying you weren't going to post anymore about gays and gay marriage?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

The actual question is can you and others on the right do that.

At this point the answer is likely no, as many conservatives have vowed to continue their efforts to deny same-sex couples their right to due process and equal protection of the law.

And they will....just like they've hemmed in Roe over the years.

If they really care that much about it.

Some states will try....

Others will continue since it was already legal there......

Love how you twist the 14th when marriage isn't a right.