Attention gays and obama worshipers

[emilynghiem]

Hi Skylar and Redfish
And with or without these threads,
what is so hard about admitting that
BOTH beliefs for gay marriage or for traditional marriage only
are BOTH BELIEFS.

Christianity and Buddhism are BOTH belief systems,
BOTH equally protected by law, and nobody goes around
trying to sue that Buddhism should be equally recognized by law as Christianity or there is discrimination against Buddhists.

We don't change the wording or laws about religion
to "specifically include or defend" Buddhism as opposed to Christianity.

Religious freedom already applies to both.

Why can't laws on civil unions and contracts be neutral and apply to all situations?
If they did not mention gender at all, then it would be left to the people to recognize and practice the beliefs
of their choice as they should be.

if people and parties of different beliefs cannot learn to quit
bullying and abusing govt to push theirs over others,
maybe we will see a push to either ban political parties or separate them from govt
similar to keeping religion out of govt.

Maybe political parties should be recognized equally as religious organizations
and be required to set up their own programs for their own members and not mix with public policy and funding!!!

I agree with you 100%. The problem is that the left is totally intolerant of any beliefs except theirs. All others are to be demonized, ridiculed, called racist or homophobic, and otherwise trashed.

they preach tolerance but practice bigotry.

Dear Redfish
How can we organize a campaign to teach people that political and secular beliefs
still count as a belief under the First and Fourteenth Amendments?

What does it take to reach a public agreement and full awareness
that these political beliefs should be treated equally as any other religious institution?

How do you suggest we approach this?
Do we form a team, and start asking around for legal help to
SUE one or both parties for pushing an agenda that is the equivalent of political beliefs onto the public through govt?

Would this get more attention and success
if it is suing BOTH parties, or suing specific people or cases?

For example, I thought of suing both parties for not resolving the
conflicts in BELIEFS over health care, which caused the 24 billion dollar
shutdown at taxpayers expense.

In order to show BOTH sides are equal beliefs, why not have both
singlepayer believers sue the Democrats to set up a system that
represents and serves those beliefs; while free market believers
sue the Republicans to set up a system by free choice. And demand
that the 24 billion lost over the deadlock (because both parties were
trying to push one plan over the other instead of creating separate plans)
be paid back to taxpayers by investing in a solution (either split the cost
and have both parties raise half to invest in setting up separate health
care networks for both parties according to their members' beliefs
or raise and invest 24 billion into reforming VA and veteran care
which both parties agree on. Develop that to meet the health needs of vets,
and eventually expand on it to include more of the public once the best
sustainable solution is found for Vets, prove that works before replicating it for the public.)

 

[TheOldSchool]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

Maybe now YOU will STFU

What's to discuss... Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman. And obamaScare is a boondoggle designed to scuttle the US health insurance industry.

Its not like there's anything to debate.

SO all she needs to shut up is for you idiots to stop speaking lies that must be corrected.

Seems like the last thing you all want to do is stop talking about this!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

but it is still unconstitutional
to impose your beliefs on other people through govt.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Religionists have no Constitutional authority to deny same sex couples the same rights and privileges as opposite sex ones.

Yes, All men are created equal, before God and ONLY before God... who the LGBT community reject.

There is no right to promote degeneracy, because degeneracy is a LIE.

There is no right to advance deceit, because DECEIT INJURES THOSE WHO BELIEVE IT.

There is no right to INJURE AN INNOCENT, because THAT INNOCENT IS A CREATION OF GOD and has the same rights as YOU. Thus when you claim a right to deceive another, YOU UNDERMINE YOUR OWN RIGHTS.

There is no right to undermine your rights because that undermines the rights of EVERYONE.

This ruling denotes the US Federal Government Licensing Degeneracy... you do the math,

 

[usmcstinger]

Well SCOTUS has opened the flood gates to other nontraditional marriages, A man can legally have 2 wives, a woman can legally have 2 husbands. Brother and sister marry, etc.
SCOTUS can not discriminate against the above.They have created marriage anarchy. Can't wait to see how the courts handle gay divorces. They probably will need more hours of divorce courts. The lawyers will certainly benefit. There will be those who will call themselves gay divorce specialists.
However, gay marriage is the law of the land now. States will be sued for failing to comply. The end.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

Maybe now YOU will STFU

What's to discuss... Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman. And obamaScare is a boondoggle designed to scuttle the US health insurance industry.

Its not like there's anything to debate.

SO all she needs to shut up is for you idiots to stop speaking lies that must be corrected.

Seems like the last thing you all want to do is stop talking about this!

There will be no stopping this... as 'this' has just been shoved over the precipice and will result in the destruction of the nation.

You should be on your knees praying to God that the 'talking about this' never stops... because when it does stop, the time for talking will be behind us, from there we defend our means to exercise our rights through means other than political.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well SCOTUS has opened the flood gates to other nontraditional marriages, A man can legally have 2 wives, a woman can legally have 2 husbands. Brother and sister marry, etc.
SCOTUS can not discriminate against the above.They have created marriage anarchy. Can't wait to see how the courts handle gay divorces. They probably will need more hours of divorce courts. The lawyers will certainly benefit. There will be those who will call themselves gay divorce specialists.
However, gay marriage is the law of the land now. States will be sued for failing to comply. The end.

SCOTUS has released evil upon the United States... and there is no surviving it.

 

[toxicmedia]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

No frickken way!...this is too much fun watching you guys twist

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Well SCOTUS has opened the flood gates to other nontraditional marriages, A man can legally have 2 wives, a woman can legally have 2 husbands. Brother and sister marry, etc.
SCOTUS can not discriminate against the above.They have created marriage anarchy. Can't wait to see how the courts handle gay divorces. They probably will need more hours of divorce courts. The lawyers will certainly benefit. There will be those who will call themselves gay divorce specialists.
However, gay marriage is the law of the land now. States will be sued for failing to comply. The end.

Cats will marry dogs, polar bears will marry baby seals. ANARCHY WILL REIGN!!!!

 

[Billy000]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

So because there is other pressing issues we should have ignored this all along? Lol

You cons start more threads on homosexuality than any liberal here. They always say the same shit you are perpetuating.

 

[Eaglewings]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

1. Gay Marriage
2. Obamacare
3. Trade Law
4. Fox news played over an hour of Obama speaking in a Black Church
5. Confederate Flag down in SC
6. Trump places rich foot in mouth

It has been a super week~

And since when has the Congress gotten anything done in the last 6 years



~

you are a very good talking point repeater. is your name polly parrot?

Are you talking about yourself again fishface? Talk about calling the kettle black ~ Now go lay down and rest for a while you're all worn out clogging up the forum.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Well SCOTUS has opened the flood gates to other nontraditional marriages, A man can legally have 2 wives, a woman can legally have 2 husbands. Brother and sister marry, etc.
SCOTUS can not discriminate against the above.They have created marriage anarchy. Can't wait to see how the courts handle gay divorces. They probably will need more hours of divorce courts. The lawyers will certainly benefit. There will be those who will call themselves gay divorce specialists.
However, gay marriage is the law of the land now. States will be sued for failing to comply. The end.

SCOTUS has released evil upon the United States... and there is no surviving it.

You are the evil that they, thankfully for them, had nothing to do with little ****** hater...

 

[emilynghiem]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

You mean like anti abortionist have?

Dear Nosmo King
Actually, if you understand that political and religious beliefs are not changed by govt rulings,
that it merely compounds the existing conflict and doesn't solve it,
this DOES explain why both the "right to life" and "right to health" issues
aren't helped by making federal laws. That doesn't address the fundamental
differences in beliefs, but aggravates the conflicts more when govt is abused to enforce one side over the other.

In both the cases of "right to life vs. free choice of reproductive freedom without criminalization"
and "right to govt health care vs. free choice without mandated penalties"
in neither case does federal legislation solve the problem.

People still feel their beliefs are violated
and that govt was abused to oppress opposing views.
It just makes the conflicts worse to add govt power and biased legislation
on top of the differences in beliefs between groups competing to control the policy instead of separating jurisdiction..

 

[Syriusly]

You won your two signature issues in the supreme court. You won and the country lost.

Now will you STFU about it so we can concentrate of the real problems facing this nation? Like 18 trillion in debt and radical muslims who want us all dead by beheading.

LOL...is this you starting another thread about gay marriage so you won't have to talk about gay marriage?

that issue is over, the SC has ruled. Time to move on. Can you do that?

You mean like anti abortionist have?

Dear Nosmo King
Actually, if you understand that political and religious beliefs are not changed by govt rulings,
that it merely compounds the existing conflict and doesn't solve it,
this DOES explain why both the "right to life" and "right to health" issues
aren't helped by making federal laws. That doesn't address the fundamental
differences in beliefs, but aggravates the conflicts more when govt is abused to enforce one side over the other.

In both the cases of "right to life vs. free choice of reproductive freedom without criminalization"
and "right to govt health care vs. free choice without mandated penalties"
in neither case does federal legislation solve the problem.
..

It solves the legal problem- and that is what laws are intended to address.

 

[Syriusly]

Well SCOTUS has opened the flood gates to other nontraditional marriages, A man can legally have 2 wives, a woman can legally have 2 husbands. Brother and sister marry, etc.
SCOTUS can not discriminate against the above.They have created marriage anarchy. Can't wait to see how the courts handle gay divorces. They probably will need more hours of divorce courts. The lawyers will certainly benefit. There will be those who will call themselves gay divorce specialists.
However, gay marriage is the law of the land now. States will be sued for failing to comply. The end.

Cats will marry dogs, polar bears will marry baby seals. ANARCHY WILL REIGN!!!!

I went out today and married my Kindle.

 

[emilynghiem]

two threads
1. is gay marriage the most important issue
2. this one--------will you guys shut up now that you have won

We're allowed to celebrate just as much as you're allowed to pout.

sure, go for it, celebrate. have a group butt ******* party. enjoy your new social acceptance of your perversions.

Its our party and you can cry if want to.

Yes, you have the right to your beliefs and to practice them by your party just like any other religion.
Just because you have a political religion or secular belief that focuses on "Government"
as the your authority instead of "God" doesn't make it any less of a religion.

Um, yes. It does. You've literally described the difference between secular and non-secular. The text book definition of the differences between religious and non-religious foundation.

Skylar
1. to be fair to all people of all beliefs, whether religious secular political or personal beliefs,
the difference should be
A. does all the public CONSENT to this value in public policy?
B. or do people have differing beliefs that should be kept separated and out of public policy

The deciding factor should be FREE CHOICE and CONSENT in what we believe
NOT whether our beliefs take on the form of a religious group, private philosophy, political party etc.

OR ELSE NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL

If some people belong to a large recognized religious group,
those people's "beliefs" should not be treated differently from
a person whose spiritual views may not fit the textbook definition or form of an "organized or traditional religion"

Skylar you would be discriminating by whether people's beliefs take on certain forms or not.
Isn't that a form of discriminating by creed? By affiliation?

2. Skylar look at this quote from the SC case on gay marriage:
14 couples

Fourteen couples and two widowers challenged the bans. Attorneys Mary Bonauto and Doug Hallward-Driemeier presented their case before the Court, arguing that the freedom to marry is a fundamental right for all people and should not be left to popular vote.

What about everyone's religious freedom in terms of BELIEF, not just certain religions 'counting legally" and others not.

Don't ALL people have the right to defend and exercise their BELIEFS without govt imposing on them for it,
provided such practice doesn't violate anyone else's rights.

AND NOT BE LEFT TO POPULAR VOTE OR POLITICS.

If it takes going through govt to decide
"which religions or beliefs count or not"

that is STILL abusing Govt to REGULATE religion.

Like the ACA/Obamacare Determining WHICH members of WHICH creeds/affiliations
will qualify for exemptions or not, while others will NOT count and will incur a PENALTY.

This is a current example of govt abused to regulate discriminate and penalize
on the basis of CREED. The point is not to dictate WHICH creeds people can follow,
but if the point is to make sure people don't impose their medical bills or health care
costs on others, then the bill should state so and not try to dictate HOW people are
supposed to manage their care or prove they will pay. There are other ways
and all should be equally valid since personal BELIEFS are involved in health care,
and govt is NOT supposed to be abused to mandate BELIEFS for the entire public.

 

[Syriusly]

Well SCOTUS has opened the flood gates to other nontraditional marriages, A man can legally have 2 wives, a woman can legally have 2 husbands. Brother and sister marry, etc.
SCOTUS can not discriminate against the above.They have created marriage anarchy. Can't wait to see how the courts handle gay divorces. They probably will need more hours of divorce courts. The lawyers will certainly benefit. There will be those who will call themselves gay divorce specialists.
However, gay marriage is the law of the land now. States will be sued for failing to comply. The end.

SCOTUS has released evil upon the United States... and there is no surviving it.

LOL......EBIL!

I make a prediction right now- 3 billion years from now the United States will not have survived.

There is no surviving this catastrophe.....all we can hope for is another 2 plus billion years more.....

 

[Syriusly]

Dude.....you've created thread after thread on the topic of gays and gay marriage. You clearly want to discuss it. Don't blame me for your obsession. Take some personal responsibility.

two threads
1. is gay marriage the most important issue
2. this one--------will you guys shut up now that you have won

We're allowed to celebrate just as much as you're allowed to pout.

sure, go for it, celebrate. have a group butt ******* party. enjoy your new social acceptance of your perversions.

Its our party and you can cry if want to.

enjoy it, run naked in the streets with a dildo up your ass and a dick in your mouth, you are FREE, you are MARRIED, you can do anything.

Why would we want to act out all of your sexual fantasies for you?

 

[Syriusly]

Hi Skylar and Redfish
And with or without these threads,
what is so hard about admitting that
BOTH beliefs for gay marriage or for traditional marriage only
are BOTH BELIEFS.

Christianity and Buddhism are BOTH belief systems,
BOTH equally protected by law, and nobody goes around
trying to sue that Buddhism should be equally recognized by law as Christianity or there is discrimination against Buddhists.

We don't change the wording or laws about religion
to "specifically include or defend" Buddhism as opposed to Christianity.

Religious freedom already applies to both.

Why can't laws on civil unions and contracts be neutral and apply to all situations?
If they did not mention gender at all, then it would be left to the people to recognize and practice the beliefs
of their choice as they should be.

if people and parties of different beliefs cannot learn to quit
bullying and abusing govt to push theirs over others,
maybe we will see a push to either ban political parties or separate them from govt
similar to keeping religion out of govt.

Maybe political parties should be recognized equally as religious organizations
and be required to set up their own programs for their own members and not mix with public policy and funding!!!

I agree with you 100%. The problem is that the left is totally intolerant of any beliefs except theirs. All others are to be demonized, ridiculed, called racist or homophobic, and otherwise trashed.

they preach tolerance but practice bigotry.

You have described the Right perfectly.

Oh wait- except the Right preaches family values that they do not live- and do not preach tolerance.

 

[emilynghiem]

Well SCOTUS has opened the flood gates to other nontraditional marriages, A man can legally have 2 wives, a woman can legally have 2 husbands. Brother and sister marry, etc.
SCOTUS can not discriminate against the above.They have created marriage anarchy. Can't wait to see how the courts handle gay divorces. They probably will need more hours of divorce courts. The lawyers will certainly benefit. There will be those who will call themselves gay divorce specialists.
However, gay marriage is the law of the land now. States will be sued for failing to comply. The end.

Cats will marry dogs, polar bears will marry baby seals. ANARCHY WILL REIGN!!!!

I went out today and married my Kindle.

I think I will make it official that I am married to the Church under Constitutional laws.
And start enforcing those like the Bible, maybe call for entire communities to buy out
land, churches, businesses and schools governed directly under Constitutional law
similar to the Lutheran movement separating from corrupt Catholic authority and claiming a direct
relationship with God through Christ by the spirit and the scriptures, not depending on the church authorities as the vehicle.

We already have a reformation movement starting based on defending Constitutional values and standards.
Now it's time to make it official. And separate the different denominations by party, where none can impose their
interpretation of law over others who have their own beliefs and right to exercise those without being penalized
and forced to fund or to follow other political beliefs that are in conflict. We may need to separate the parties in order to unite the nation when people agree not to divide to fight, but to separate in order to work independently and end any need to fight.

 

[Syriusly]

Well SCOTUS has opened the flood gates to other nontraditional marriages, A man can legally have 2 wives, a woman can legally have 2 husbands. Brother and sister marry, etc.
SCOTUS can not discriminate against the above.They have created marriage anarchy. Can't wait to see how the courts handle gay divorces. They probably will need more hours of divorce courts. The lawyers will certainly benefit. There will be those who will call themselves gay divorce specialists.
However, gay marriage is the law of the land now. States will be sued for failing to comply. The end.

Gay marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for 10 years.

In that time still no legal polygamy in Massachusetts, no legal incestuous marriage.

Only Conservatives appear to believe that allowing two people of the same gender to marry suddenly- and magically makes polygamy legal.