Attempts to Roll Back Marriage Equality since the Trump Election.

[EvilCat Breath]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. What they don't like are people who refuse to live their own lives according to their own decisions.

 

[Syriusly]

You are a fool to believe this nonsense. "Gay marriage" is here to stay - not because a majority of Americans want it - they don't - but because the workings of our court system make it impossible to turn back the clock. REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, both the Federal Government and the states are required unambiguously by the Constitution to give "full faith and credit" to the legal acts of every other state. Therefore, as long as at least one state has "gay marriage" then the Feds and every other state are forced to recognize the institution, and it is pointless to fight it - you will ultimately, definitely lose.

As for discrimination against the [sexually fucked-up] community within the Federal government, it is, as a practical matter, not possible, and no Executive Order or memorandum can change that. And one might also point out that Our Exalted President has no animus whatsoever against the [sexually fucked-up] community, and has never shown any inclination to sign such a document.

Parenthetically and slightly to the contrary, the President and many people on his staff CLEARLY intend to nullify any regulations or executive orders that have the effect of compelling any private business to cater to the wishes of any potential customer whose public behavior is found morally repugnant - public behavior including, for example, getting married to someone of the same gender. And anyone feeling oppressed by this "seller's right" should be slapped and beaten about the head and shoulders until some sense returns to their empty, pathetic, sensitive little souls.

That would require States to recognize licenses issued by other States, but issuing them can still be fought over.

That would be a rather quixotic battle- if Georgia has to recognize Massachusetts marriages, then if Georgia residents would just go to Mass to get married.

Inconvenient for Georgian citizens but Georgia would still have to recognize gay marriages.

 

[Syriusly]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. s.

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

 

[Syriusly]

I put this gay marriage thing way down on the list of priorities, below national security, economic prosperity, and immigration. We probably should not bother with it until we fix our roads and build the border wall. The gays will be fine. Fact is, we are doing them a favor if we stop letting them get married.

?????

Couples in America can legally marry in all 50 states, regardless of the gender of their spouse.

When you say 'we probably should not bother with it until' that would mean you want to change that.

Do you?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. s.

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

If someone does not want to go to a gay wedding, they should not be forced by law to go. No one should have to decide between giving up their livelihood or giving up their principles and religious rights. In fact, religion should never enter into the discussion. I don't want to should be good enough.

 

[martybegan]

You are a fool to believe this nonsense. "Gay marriage" is here to stay - not because a majority of Americans want it - they don't - but because the workings of our court system make it impossible to turn back the clock. REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, both the Federal Government and the states are required unambiguously by the Constitution to give "full faith and credit" to the legal acts of every other state. Therefore, as long as at least one state has "gay marriage" then the Feds and every other state are forced to recognize the institution, and it is pointless to fight it - you will ultimately, definitely lose.

As for discrimination against the [sexually fucked-up] community within the Federal government, it is, as a practical matter, not possible, and no Executive Order or memorandum can change that. And one might also point out that Our Exalted President has no animus whatsoever against the [sexually fucked-up] community, and has never shown any inclination to sign such a document.

Parenthetically and slightly to the contrary, the President and many people on his staff CLEARLY intend to nullify any regulations or executive orders that have the effect of compelling any private business to cater to the wishes of any potential customer whose public behavior is found morally repugnant - public behavior including, for example, getting married to someone of the same gender. And anyone feeling oppressed by this "seller's right" should be slapped and beaten about the head and shoulders until some sense returns to their empty, pathetic, sensitive little souls.

That would require States to recognize licenses issued by other States, but issuing them can still be fought over.

That would be a rather quixotic battle- if Georgia has to recognize Massachusetts marriages, then if Georgia residents would just go to Mass to get married.

Inconvenient for Georgian citizens but Georgia would still have to recognize gay marriages.

The essence of compromise is everyone being disappointed in the end result. Georgia has to recognize out of state marriages as always, but controls who it issues them to.

Georgian SSM opponents are butthurt they have to recognize out of state SSM's, Pro SSM georigans are butthurt that gay georgians would have to travel to get married.

And the constitution is respected overall.

 

[Syriusly]

You are a fool to believe this nonsense. "Gay marriage" is here to stay - not because a majority of Americans want it - they don't - but because the workings of our court system make it impossible to turn back the clock. REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, both the Federal Government and the states are required unambiguously by the Constitution to give "full faith and credit" to the legal acts of every other state. Therefore, as long as at least one state has "gay marriage" then the Feds and every other state are forced to recognize the institution, and it is pointless to fight it - you will ultimately, definitely lose.

As for discrimination against the [sexually fucked-up] community within the Federal government, it is, as a practical matter, not possible, and no Executive Order or memorandum can change that. And one might also point out that Our Exalted President has no animus whatsoever against the [sexually fucked-up] community, and has never shown any inclination to sign such a document.

Parenthetically and slightly to the contrary, the President and many people on his staff CLEARLY intend to nullify any regulations or executive orders that have the effect of compelling any private business to cater to the wishes of any potential customer whose public behavior is found morally repugnant - public behavior including, for example, getting married to someone of the same gender. And anyone feeling oppressed by this "seller's right" should be slapped and beaten about the head and shoulders until some sense returns to their empty, pathetic, sensitive little souls.

That would require States to recognize licenses issued by other States, but issuing them can still be fought over.

That would be a rather quixotic battle- if Georgia has to recognize Massachusetts marriages, then if Georgia residents would just go to Mass to get married.

Inconvenient for Georgian citizens but Georgia would still have to recognize gay marriages.

The essence of compromise is everyone being disappointed in the end result. Georgia has to recognize out of state marriages as always, but controls who it issues them to.

Georgian SSM opponents are butthurt they have to recognize out of state SSM's, Pro SSM georigans are butthurt that gay georgians would have to travel to get married.

And the constitution is respected overall.

The constitution is already respected.

Georgian couples can get married in Georgia.

 

[Syriusly]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. s.

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

If someone does not want to go to a gay wedding, they should not be forced by law to go..

And no one is forced to go to any wedding.

Of course if your business is a business that goes to weddings- your business has to follow the same rules as every other business.

 

[martybegan]

You are a fool to believe this nonsense. "Gay marriage" is here to stay - not because a majority of Americans want it - they don't - but because the workings of our court system make it impossible to turn back the clock. REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, both the Federal Government and the states are required unambiguously by the Constitution to give "full faith and credit" to the legal acts of every other state. Therefore, as long as at least one state has "gay marriage" then the Feds and every other state are forced to recognize the institution, and it is pointless to fight it - you will ultimately, definitely lose.

As for discrimination against the [sexually fucked-up] community within the Federal government, it is, as a practical matter, not possible, and no Executive Order or memorandum can change that. And one might also point out that Our Exalted President has no animus whatsoever against the [sexually fucked-up] community, and has never shown any inclination to sign such a document.

Parenthetically and slightly to the contrary, the President and many people on his staff CLEARLY intend to nullify any regulations or executive orders that have the effect of compelling any private business to cater to the wishes of any potential customer whose public behavior is found morally repugnant - public behavior including, for example, getting married to someone of the same gender. And anyone feeling oppressed by this "seller's right" should be slapped and beaten about the head and shoulders until some sense returns to their empty, pathetic, sensitive little souls.

That would require States to recognize licenses issued by other States, but issuing them can still be fought over.

That would be a rather quixotic battle- if Georgia has to recognize Massachusetts marriages, then if Georgia residents would just go to Mass to get married.

Inconvenient for Georgian citizens but Georgia would still have to recognize gay marriages.

The essence of compromise is everyone being disappointed in the end result. Georgia has to recognize out of state marriages as always, but controls who it issues them to.

Georgian SSM opponents are butthurt they have to recognize out of state SSM's, Pro SSM georigans are butthurt that gay georgians would have to travel to get married.

And the constitution is respected overall.

The constitution is already respected.

Georgian couples can get married in Georgia.

Where does the federal constitution say marriage laws are covered by the feds?

 

[martybegan]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. s.

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

If someone does not want to go to a gay wedding, they should not be forced by law to go..

And no one is forced to go to any wedding.

Of course if your business is a business that goes to weddings- your business has to follow the same rules as every other business.

i.e. BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE, YOU PEASANT.

ain't we such a brave person when using the government's gun to force and bully others around.....

 

[Syriusly]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. s.

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

If someone does not want to go to a gay wedding, they should not be forced by law to go..

And no one is forced to go to any wedding.

Of course if your business is a business that goes to weddings- your business has to follow the same rules as every other business.

i.e. BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE, YOU PEASANT.

ain't we such a brave person when using the government's gun to force and bully others around.....

Serve that fucking n*gger, you gas station attendent!

What you call 'bullying' others call civil rights protections that have been around for 50 years.

 

[Syriusly]

You are a fool to believe this nonsense. "Gay marriage" is here to stay - not because a majority of Americans want it - they don't - but because the workings of our court system make it impossible to turn back the clock. REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, both the Federal Government and the states are required unambiguously by the Constitution to give "full faith and credit" to the legal acts of every other state. Therefore, as long as at least one state has "gay marriage" then the Feds and every other state are forced to recognize the institution, and it is pointless to fight it - you will ultimately, definitely lose.

As for discrimination against the [sexually fucked-up] community within the Federal government, it is, as a practical matter, not possible, and no Executive Order or memorandum can change that. And one might also point out that Our Exalted President has no animus whatsoever against the [sexually fucked-up] community, and has never shown any inclination to sign such a document.

Parenthetically and slightly to the contrary, the President and many people on his staff CLEARLY intend to nullify any regulations or executive orders that have the effect of compelling any private business to cater to the wishes of any potential customer whose public behavior is found morally repugnant - public behavior including, for example, getting married to someone of the same gender. And anyone feeling oppressed by this "seller's right" should be slapped and beaten about the head and shoulders until some sense returns to their empty, pathetic, sensitive little souls.

That would require States to recognize licenses issued by other States, but issuing them can still be fought over.

That would be a rather quixotic battle- if Georgia has to recognize Massachusetts marriages, then if Georgia residents would just go to Mass to get married.

Inconvenient for Georgian citizens but Georgia would still have to recognize gay marriages.

The essence of compromise is everyone being disappointed in the end result. Georgia has to recognize out of state marriages as always, but controls who it issues them to.

Georgian SSM opponents are butthurt they have to recognize out of state SSM's, Pro SSM georigans are butthurt that gay georgians would have to travel to get married.

And the constitution is respected overall.

The constitution is already respected.

Georgian couples can get married in Georgia.

Where does the federal constitution say marriage laws are covered by the feds?

Feel free to read Loving v. Virginia and find out.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. s.

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

If someone does not want to go to a gay wedding, they should not be forced by law to go..

And no one is forced to go to any wedding.

Of course if your business is a business that goes to weddings- your business has to follow the same rules as every other business.

There is where the difficulty is. No one should be forced to go anywhere they don't want to go.

These business owners are too kind. They should perform the service and make it a truly miserable experience.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Tinfoil hat time for the OP. But that is fine if that is what melts his butter. Obviously, OP is a nut, but we should respect him nonetheless. The bizarre thing is that instead of focusing on typical conspiracy stuff (UFOs, Bigfoot, Masons, federal reserve, etc...), OP focuses on gay marriage, which only affects gays, who only make up something like 2-3% of the population. Very weird. .

So you think that I'm a nut?? What is nuts is thinking that gay marriage - and I assume all forms of discrimination against gays- is in your mind only the concern of gays. Is discrimination against racial, ethnic, or religious groups only the concern of those groups? I don't think so. It speaks to the soul and character of the nation. What sort of country and world do you want to live in? Should we really only be concerned about what effects us directly ?

Personally, I don't care if a homo can marry and receive benefits, or not. Marriage is not the gross stuff. The gross stuff is all the gay sodomy. And that will occur regardless. In fact, if their marriages are like heterosexual marriages, then gay marriage will probably reduce the instances of gay sodomy. It does not matter how hot your spouse is because in 5-6 years you are going to be bored and jacking it to hot chicks on The Weather Channel. .

Why bring up sodomy in a discussion about same sex marriage.? Heterosexuals do it too. They do all sorts of things. You seem to take a dim view of marriage and longevity of relationships but that too is irrelevant

I put this gay marriage thing way down on the list of priorities, below national security, economic prosperity, and immigration. We probably should not bother with it until we fix our roads and build the border wall. The gays will be fine. Fact is, we are doing them a favor if we stop letting them get married.

Doing them a favor?? Sounds again like you have some issues. Yes there are other priorities but concern for LGBT rights and advancing those rights does not preclude pursuing other goals. In fact same sex marriage has been good for the economy. It's the jackass republicans who -as I have demonstrated- that spend time trying to thwart gay right and therefore detract from the pursuit of those other goals.

Hey, I am basically agreeing with you. Don't get your panties all in a bunch. First, YOU are not the final arbiter of what is the acceptable "soul and character" of our nation. In fact, you are being unreasonably presumptuous. Not everybody has your sensibilities, and those who do not are not wrong or bad people.

Second, I am utterly perplexed as to why you think that gay sodomy has nothing to do with gay rights. Are you serious? That is pure lunacy. You may want it to, but it does. Duh.

Finally, you assert that gay marriage is good for our economy but fail to support that with any facts. I guess you simply thought that it sounded good.

So, yeah, you qualify as a nut... a big, old fat tin foil hat wearing nut.

You agreeing with me?? You started out by calling me crazy and you just did it again. What exactly do we agree on.

I didn't say that I was "the final arbiter of what is the acceptable" Or anything of the kind. What I am saying is that most people who are part of human society agree on certain thing such as how we treat other people.

In addition, I never said that "gay sodomy" has nothing to do with gay rights. You might want to look up Lawrence V. Texas. I am saying that how people have sex has nothing to do with the issue of marriage. With me so far??

Regarding economics.....I did your homework for you. Unlike many here, I never say anything that I can't back up:

8 Ways Legalizing Same Sex Marriage Is Good For The Economy | The Huffington Post

The Economic Benefits of Gay Marriage

Same-Sex Marriage Economic Benefits for the U.S. · Guardian Liberty Voice

 

[martybegan]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. s.

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

If someone does not want to go to a gay wedding, they should not be forced by law to go..

And no one is forced to go to any wedding.

Of course if your business is a business that goes to weddings- your business has to follow the same rules as every other business.

i.e. BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE, YOU PEASANT.

ain't we such a brave person when using the government's gun to force and bully others around.....

Serve that fucking n*gger, you gas station attendent!

What you call 'bullying' others call civil rights protections that have been around for 50 years.

Gasoline provision is a point of sale, fungible commodity, and considering travel is a protected right, the attendant and owner could be required to provide said product regardless of their feelings.

You keep forgetting that pesky first amendment, that guarantees free exercise of Religion.

 

[Syriusly]

Gays don't want equality. They want specialiality with the right of veto over anything they don't like. s.

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

If someone does not want to go to a gay wedding, they should not be forced by law to go..

And no one is forced to go to any wedding.

Of course if your business is a business that goes to weddings- your business has to follow the same rules as every other business.

There is where the difficulty is. No one should be forced to go anywhere they don't want to go.

These business owners are too kind. They should perform the service and make it a truly miserable experience.

Absolutely- because that is the kind of things assholes do.

 

[martybegan]

That would require States to recognize licenses issued by other States, but issuing them can still be fought over.

That would be a rather quixotic battle- if Georgia has to recognize Massachusetts marriages, then if Georgia residents would just go to Mass to get married.

Inconvenient for Georgian citizens but Georgia would still have to recognize gay marriages.

The essence of compromise is everyone being disappointed in the end result. Georgia has to recognize out of state marriages as always, but controls who it issues them to.

Georgian SSM opponents are butthurt they have to recognize out of state SSM's, Pro SSM georigans are butthurt that gay georgians would have to travel to get married.

And the constitution is respected overall.

The constitution is already respected.

Georgian couples can get married in Georgia.

Where does the federal constitution say marriage laws are covered by the feds?

Feel free to read Loving v. Virginia and find out.

Not applicable. allowing two people of the same sex to marry is such a radical change to the concept of marriage, that it can not be considered constitutionally "equal".

The only viable route is to change the contract at the level of State legislatures, with the feds only forcing acceptance of all State issued valid marriage licenses, as it has in the past.

 

[Syriusly]

Right.

Gays wanting to be treated the same legally were not looking for 'equality'

LOL

Its Christians who don't want equality- they want to be exempt from the laws everyone else has to follow.

If someone does not want to go to a gay wedding, they should not be forced by law to go..

And no one is forced to go to any wedding.

Of course if your business is a business that goes to weddings- your business has to follow the same rules as every other business.

i.e. BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE, YOU PEASANT.

ain't we such a brave person when using the government's gun to force and bully others around.....

Serve that fucking n*gger, you gas station attendent!

What you call 'bullying' others call civil rights protections that have been around for 50 years.

Gasoline provision is a point of sale, fungible commodity, and considering travel is a protected right, the attendant and owner could be required to provide said product regardless of their feelings.

You keep forgetting that pesky first amendment, that guarantees free exercise of Religion.

You keep forgetting that Christians still have to follow the law and don't get a special exemption.

Yes- that meant that Christian business owners couldn't deny gas to blacks by claiming that their religion didn't allow them to associate with blacks.

 

[Syriusly]

That would be a rather quixotic battle- if Georgia has to recognize Massachusetts marriages, then if Georgia residents would just go to Mass to get married.

Inconvenient for Georgian citizens but Georgia would still have to recognize gay marriages.

The essence of compromise is everyone being disappointed in the end result. Georgia has to recognize out of state marriages as always, but controls who it issues them to.

Georgian SSM opponents are butthurt they have to recognize out of state SSM's, Pro SSM georigans are butthurt that gay georgians would have to travel to get married.

And the constitution is respected overall.

The constitution is already respected.

Georgian couples can get married in Georgia.

Where does the federal constitution say marriage laws are covered by the feds?

Feel free to read Loving v. Virginia and find out.

Not applicable. allowing two people of the same sex to marry is such a radical change to the concept of marriage, that it can not be considered constitutionally "equal".t.

Either marriage laws are covered by the constitution or they are not.

Make up your mind.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Anyone who comes into a business deserves the same service and level of service. Anything that requires attention off site is a completely different issue.