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You guys call everything fraud and it never is.They don't want to find the fraud.
Leftism is a fraud and it’s been proven time and time again over centuries.
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You guys call everything fraud and it never is.They don't want to find the fraud.
Any conservatives out there want to take a swing at the actual topic here, which is the Trump supporter’s attempts to claim that the Antrim county results are evidence of fraud have been disproven?You guys call everything fraud and it never is.They don't want to find the fraud.
Leftism is a fraud and it’s been proven time and time again over centuries.
You think Dems want to admit fraud is the reason Biden is in the White House?CALL:
"They don't want to find the fraud."
RESPONSE:
" See post #11"
Right now we are waiting for the AZ auditors to make their announcement about fraud there. GA and other states will surely follow with audits of their own.Any conservatives out there want to take a swing at the actual topic here, which is the Trump supporter’s attempts to claim that the Antrim county results are evidence of fraud have been disproven?
"You think Dems want to admit fraud is the reason Biden.....?"
You guys call everything fraud.DEMOCRATS stole the election, that makes it not fraud.
Antrim was fraud, except it wasn’t.
I remember right after the election there was a lady in Michigan (going by memory) who posted a video on Facebook of people wheeling in suitcases claiming it was filled with fraudulent ballots. It wasn’t. It was a camera crew from local news wheeling in their equipment. Did this lady see any ballots? No. She saw suitcases and because she was already primed to believe in fraud, decided that the suitcases must be filled with ballots.
The point of the story is that many Trump supporters are so committed to believing that Trump won, that they will make enormous leaps of logic to make this true.
Yes, we always call everything fraud. Like Gore. No wait, that was you. Ah, like Russia. No wait, you again. Like Ukraine. Oh wait, that was you. Like the Electoral College, wait, that was you. Hillary? Damn, you again.
What a dumb ass. You morons always come up with these stupid talking points and never reality test them. You impeached Trump for supposed fraud TWICE, you fucking boob
Right now we are waiting for the AZ auditors to make their announcement about fraud there. GA and other states will surely follow with audits of their own.Any conservatives out there want to take a swing at the actual topic here, which is the Trump supporter’s attempts to claim that the Antrim county results are evidence of fraud have been disproven?
Leftism is a fraud and it’s been proven time and time again over centuries.
Lets re-visit beautiful…but lightly populated….Antrim County, Michigan. County seat is Bellaire, with it’s population of about 1,100.
If you recall it was much in the news in some circles recently. Dominion voting machines, cheating, stolen election, vote fraud, etc. etc.
In fact, we had a cohort of critics of Antrim’s ability to hold a fair election on this very venue. Some may wish to raise their hand. Judging by their posting history, those skeptics were vehement Don Trump supporters.
And then, the Secretary of State’s office did an audit of Antrim and found no fraud. And then the Michigan GOP led Senate’s Oversight Committee investigated Antrim county…..and found no fraud. In the end, as it was the evening of November 3rd, Don Trump won Antrim County. Handily. Which no one was surprised by. It’s rural Michigan, it is GOP country. Has been for a long long time.
Regrettably, partisan critics made the good poll workers and the county and township clerks appear to be crooks betraying America.
So here is a column from an opinion writer with the Washington Post (see link below). He informs us on some of the details of that Antrim brouhaha. I include it here as a separate thread as it seems to me to be one more example as to why so much of America is so skeptical of the conviction is some quarters that the 2020 election ‘was stolen’.
Plus the columnists fleshes out some of the count's 'irregularities' that sent the partisans on their harmful crusade. THAT is quite informative.
The ‘Stop-the-Steal’ voices have proven themselves so wrong, so unprepared, so uninformed and ill-informed, that their credibility is obliterated. Rudy G,. Krakenpot Powell, Trumps Jr and Sr.; Melissa Carone , Lin Wood, et al, haven’t inspired a whole lot of confidence.
And then comes Antrim County.
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From the column: (btw, what follows is just a small excerpt of a longer article. Think of it as a taster.)
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“If you remember that the lower part of Michigan is shaped a bit like a left-handed mitten, look for Antrim County between the tips of the middle and ring fingers. It’s a beautiful place. The Lake Michigan beaches are delightful in summer. The fishing is fantastic year-round. Unlikely as it seems, this is an epicenter of Stolen Election mania.
On Nov. 3, 2020, Election Day, vote-tabulating machines in Antrim spat out the following results shortly after the polls closed, the committee found. In a county with 22,082 registered voters, 16,044 ballots were cast. A pretty good turnout. Not every ballot included a vote for president. Of those that did, the lion’s share went to then-president Donald Trump: 9,748. Challenger Joe Biden received 5,960 votes.
No surprise. Rural counties in western Michigan reliably vote Republican.
What happened next was very surprising, though. When the results were fed into the county clerk’s spreadsheet, flaws in the spreadsheet design produced a mistaken report that Biden had won Antrim County. But no one was fooled for a minute. Folks in Antrim immediately started looking for the cause of the suspected error. On Nov. 5, they figured out that a number of Trump votes had been improperly entered in the spreadsheet, and a new report was made with Trump’s total corrected.
Alas, now there were more “votes” than actual ballots, so obviously the spreadsheet was still messed up. Antrim officials decided to recount the actual ballots. Back through the counting machines they went, exactly 16,044 of them. On Nov. 6, the tabulators spat out results identical to the original election night numbers: 9,748 for Trump, 5,960 for Biden. This total was eventually certified.
Just to be sure — given the brief confusion — a decision was made to recount the ballots again, this time by hand.
These results were finalized on Dec. 17. The painstaking manual inspection of the ballots found that the machines misread one ballot as a vote for Biden when it was not. Eleven ballots were determined to show Trump votes that the machines could not read. A total adjustment of 12 ballots out of nearly 16,000 presidential votes.
In other words, the original Election Day tabulation in Antrim County was 99.9 percent accurate.
Since then, the Internet and social media have been jammed with wild theories about international conspiracies to hack the vote in Antrim County. In the Joe Friday, just-the-facts tone preferred by McBroom, the report finds:
“Events in Antrim County sparked a significant amount of concern….which led to much speculation, assumptions, misinformation, and in some cases, outright lies meant to create doubt and confusion.” The committee recommends that the Michigan attorney general consider investigating the various lowlifes who have deployed lies “to raise money or publicity for their own ends.”
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(I 'bolded' that last sentence as I find it the most heartening of the whole column.)
Beautiful little Antrim, with it’s county seat of a thousand souls, got be-smirched by careless, callous partisans who refused to do their homework. Including some on this venue.
Pity little Antrim County.
https://www.bing.com/maps?q=Antrim County&satid=id.sid:42fe6120-c0ae-4c88-c687-edf161c9ac0e
"In Atrim County, the recount undid the fraud; that's not proof of no fraud; that's proof that they got caught."
Ummm, the idiot original-poster does know that the article he quoted tells the story of the fraud, right? The obvious fraud that was so blatant it led to the recount?Ummm, the good poster does know that Don Trump won Antrim County....bigly?
Won it ---bigly ---before the re-count.
Won it --- bigly -- after the re-count.
By nearly identical numbers both times.
What was there to catch?
Is the poster suggesting that Don Trump won Antrim fraudulently?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"When the fraudsters realized just how stupid it was to cheat in Antrim County,"
Well, that's about a stupid response. Do you know the people who certified the election there? You raised it. It's your thread. How much do you know about the election in Antrim County, Michigan? All I know is that they were caught reporting the wrong number, with a claim that Biden won. I know that from your own opening post in the thread. If you're challenging my intimate knowledge of Antrim County election history then you must certainly challenge your own knowledge when you created the thread. Idiot.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
An ominous sounding narrative, but.......
But the blatantly obvious "fraud" that the good poster Woodie has identified leads us to believe that Woody knows who these blatantly obvious fraudsters were.
So, poster, Woodworker, who are they?
Name names. Which townships?
Do you know the names of the township clerk(s) where the blatant fraud occurred?
The name of the county clerk?
The various poll workers in the precincts?
Which one (or more) of them was the dastardly cheater?
Did you look closely at Warner Township?
After all, their 228 total votes has got to seem suspicious to vigilant vote counters such as yourself. (of course they have only 307 registered voters.
Regardless, it started somewhere by someone poster Woodie, so who and where?
And if you are so deadsolidperfectly convinced one or more of the township clerks cheated......well, what are you gonna do about it?
Other than whine about it anonymously using a fake name on an internet gossip board.
No disrespect intended, but my avatar thinks your avatar really doesn't know very much at all about the vote in Antrim County Michigan....population 24,000 with its total of about 16,000 votes cast in the 2020 election.
Saddle up, Woodie.
Show us if your little pony can trot.
Show or go.
"All I know is that they were caught reporting the wrong number, with a claim that Biden won."
Well, poster Woody, what I think I know comes from reporting about the state's audit, and the reporting of the audit by the Michigan Republican Senate.
Your description that "they were caught reporting the wrong number"......seems a bit overwrought. A bit screechy.
OK."If you want to pull your original post, or at least take the linked story out of it, go for it."
Clerical error? Are you suggesting that the validity of elections is based on the quality of work of clerical staff?OK.
So I did.
I found this: "What happened next was very surprising, though. When the results were fed into the county clerk’s spreadsheet, flaws in the spreadsheet