Zone1 Atheists have nothing to say against faith in God

[Hafar1014]

That's not surprising given that most Jews are atheists. You're probably one yourself.

I am not and most Jews are believers

 

[ding]

Morals are learned by social interaction with your immediate family. Anyone who lives in a community needs morals and will develop them god or no god. You can argue morals originally came from a god.

Morals are effectively standards. Standards exist for logical reasons. They can't be just whatever society says they are.

 

[ding]

I am not and most Jews are believers

I don't believe they are but you keep attacking Christianity and show your true colors.

 

[rightwinger]

Then prove there is no god. Before toy make fool of your sef by claiming you cant prove a negative we can and do it all the time. We use null hypothesis or a significant negative correlation. Go ahead

How can I prove that a fantasy of yours does not exist?
You will cling to your fantasy

I just choose not to believe something for which there is no proof

 

[ding]

How can I prove that a fantasy of yours does not exist?
You will cling to your fantasy

I just choose not to believe something for which there is no proof

Like dark energy?

 

[rightwinger]

Like dark energy?

No, more like magical creatures who watch over us

 

[Cougarbear]

Should they? Theists have a ton of things to say against other Theists. Particularly Christians. They slander the Jews. They slander the Moslems. They slander the Hindus. They slander the Buddhists. Even among themselves. Catholics and Protestants don’t like each other. Worst of all are the Mormons. They hate and slander everyone. Agnostics slander no one. Agnostics don’t hate anyone. I don’t know if Atheists say anything against faith in God so I’ll take your word for it that they don’t. But that’s a good thing ….. isn’t it?

So you are agnostic and here to slander and hate on anyone with religious faith. Or Atheist and the same thing. By the way, did you notice it was an atheist who posted this. Yes, atheists go at each other too. And are the worst. Just look at your posts. The worst hate above all!

Now, the Bible says not to murmur against one anther. But, when we share our beliefs that don't align with other's beliefs, that isn't murmur. To say that before and after our physical time on earth we lived as spirit intelligence children of our Heavenly Parents, isn't an attack on anybody. But, when we share this, including Biblical scriptures for proof, we get murmured and viscously attacked by you, atheists, so-called Christians and others.

 

[Cougarbear]

More to the point, isn't atheism just one more religion? They believe in the unprovable. They can no more prove their faith in the universe being just an object coming from mere dust as most religious people can prove the existence of God--- both are essentially just different faiths. The main difference being that:

1. Formal religions are generally a faith in a /personal/ universe, headed by some deity, supreme intelligence, and cause of all causes headed by a supreme consciousness and compassion.
2. Atheism is really just another religion, a faith in an /impersonal/ universe, where all comes about by accident and random chance, and random combinations resulting in order.

BOTH recognize the role of consciousness, just that while theists believe our finite consciousness came from a supreme, higher consciousness, atheists believe that our consciousness came from random chance and spontaneous generation.

THE DIFFERENCE being that while theists believe in an absolute moral order with God being the guiding light, atheists believe morality is relative with no one but man himself to set the rules, define the boundaries, and to guide human activity.

That's a good breakdown of it. And, what a mess man has made trying to define boundaries of what is right and what is wrong. The 19th Century saw about 100 million people either slaughtered or starved to death by atheistic communist and fascist dictators. Some would point to the crusades and other wars started by Christians or other religions as cases against God's moral order. However, I would say those leaders just used God as an excuse to bypass His moral order and commandments. It wasn't God at all. It was man again usurping God's authority because of free moral agency given by God to us while on earth.

Since the 6 points points cannot be proven by atheists, then we should look away from atheism and towards the God of this universe because there is more proof of God than atheism.

 

[Cougarbear]

Just like not all Mormons seek out conflict, not all atheists behave as if their atheism is a religion. I'm well aware of the threat militant atheism poses. It's not a lot different than the threat from fundamentalists. Both seek to homogenize beliefs and both are zealous in their missions.

Why do you think members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints seek out conflict. We don't. We seek to engage with others who are open to listen to our message concerning the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I post beliefs that we have. Then, you and others seek out to contend with me. I answer your concerns and receive a snide response attempting to cause contention. Others in here seek the same thing, to contend. Now, pointing out in a debate forum conflicting opinions is not asking for contention. Like Meriweather personal attack on the ordinance of baptizing for the dead. I, and others, point out the ordinance is taught in the Bible. But, she then decides to call me names, our church names and on and on. The contention doesn't come from me or us.

 

[Cougarbear]

You have it backwards
We believe in things that can be explained or proven

Faith is not part of that conclusion

None of the 6 can be proved. They are the foundations of your faith in nothing.

 

[ding]

No, more like magical creatures who watch over us

I laugh every time I hear ignorant statements like that.

 

[ding]

Why do you think members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints seek out conflict.

I don't. I think some do. I think you are one of them and you are a horrible witness. I'm telling you this for your own good. What you do with it is up to you.

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't. I think some do. I think you are one of them and you are a horrible witness. I'm telling you this for your own good. What you do with it is up to you.

I'm a great witness! I back up what I say and ask with facts. I think you are a horrible student because you reject biblical facts. That's all.

 

[toobfreak]

Atheists believe that human beings are the highest form of intelligence in the universe.

And no one can actually prove them wrong. More to the point, atheists want to believe that man is answerable only to himself, sets his own rules and conduct, a far more appetizing position than having some higher authority one must answer to! Especially if you are a government wanting to call all of the shots.

 

[rightwinger]

I laugh every time I hear ignorant statements like that.

Try worshiping fairies and elves
Just as relevant

 

[toobfreak]

That's a good breakdown of it. And, what a mess man has made trying to define boundaries of what is right and what is wrong. The 19th Century saw about 100 million people either slaughtered or starved to death by atheistic communist and fascist dictators. Some would point to the crusades and other wars started by Christians or other religions as cases against God's moral order. However, I would say those leaders just used God as an excuse to bypass His moral order and commandments. It wasn't God at all. It was man again usurping God's authority because of free moral agency given by God to us while on earth.

Problems arise when we combine moral authority with governmental might, just ask Giordano Bruno. Truth is that morality comes from God, God decides right and wrong, instead, mankind tries to interpret and enforce those interpretations. Worse, atheist governments deny God so that they are the final say in right, wrong, law and justice.

Religious authority is always a direct threat to governmental force, just ask any Tibetan.

 

[ding]

Try worshiping fairies and elves
Just as relevant

Is it? I don't believe it is. It certainly isn't as useful.

You have two problems as near as I can tell. Your first problem is that you are so certain that you can't be wrong about anything, that you actually haven't tried. The second problem - and this may be the bigger problem - is that you don't seem to possess the intellect or objectivity necessary to tackle this problem. I think it is much more likely that you will have to be humbled before you ever give serious effort to it. I hope the best for you though.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Atheists have nothing to say against faith in God. They believe in things that they can’t explain or prove. Check this out and let’s see atheists squirm:

Anyone who believes something without evidence is employing faith.

Atheism is just lack of a belief in magical gods.That alone doesn't make atheists immune to employing faith.

 

[rightwinger]

Is it? I don't believe it is. It certainly isn't as useful.

You have two problems as near as I can tell. Your first problem is that you are so certain that you can't be wrong about anything, that you actually haven't tried. The second problem - and this may be the bigger problem - is that you don't seem to possess the intellect or objectivity necessary to tackle this problem. I think it is much more likely that you will have to be humbled before you ever give serious effort to it. I hope the best for you though.

I might be wrong about a lot of things
When I see evidence of the contrary, I will change my mind

Haven’t seen any evidence of a God

 

[toobfreak]

Haven’t seen any evidence of a God

Gee, color me SHOCKED.

I mean, here you are with arms crossed daring God to dispel your doubts in him and prove to you what you are obviously not ready yet to understand.

And imagine that: God didn't bite.

It is as if you think it is God, not you, who stands to gain in the venture.