At least these 25 people weren't killed with a gun...they were killed with fire, so much better...

[the other mike]

 

[2aguy]

Over 22,000 of them were suicide...... you keep lying, you asshat.

Dead is dead.... they'd be alive if there wasn't a gun in the house.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.

no, they don't. Even if you accept the absurd number of 1.1 million DGU's, most of those were to prevent property crimes, not save lives.

Of course, the number is utter bullshit, so there's no point arguing it.

The FBI lists 200 uses of firearms in JUSTIFIABLE homicides a year.

So if you take yotterly silly number, of 1.1 million, you'd have to believe that in 1,099,800 cases were you had a desperate criminal and a scared guy compensating for a tiny pecker, the mere sight of a gun got the criminal to back off.

It's silly.

I've been over this with 2A before
there are NOT 1 million SD uses
it makes ALL his arguments RIDICULOUS--like the pool argument
their brains are so warped they believe this CRAZY crap

.....it was a SURVEY where they SURVEYED a few thousand people and ASKED them about their firearm use..then they extrapolated the data
..they are not logged in/not documented--not reported to police/etc
.....some other gun nut ADMITTED the [ hahahhaha ] SD users do not report their SD use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for fear they would be ''arrested'''/etc [ HAHAHAHAH ] for using their firearm for SD!!
IDIOCY--this IS idiocy

..if there were 1 million SD uses, that would mean there would be over 60 SD uses for every ONE murder !!!! = ridiculous/impossible
..and if true, that would mean the US crime rate is much higher than reported
..actually I put out the facts [ not a SURVEY ] long ago where there are dozens of murders per every SD use....

17 different studies shitstain......and they all came out with those numbers....including the vaunted Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice....actual researchers using research techniques used for every other thing they study....

they use the SURVEY
hahah
1.1 MILLION--your brain is washed
there is NOW WAY there are 1.1 MILLION

Actual research, from 17 different studies say you are wrong...the majority of the research done by anti-gunners who want to ban guns.......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[harmonica]

Over 22,000 of them were suicide...... you keep lying, you asshat.

Dead is dead.... they'd be alive if there wasn't a gun in the house.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.

no, they don't. Even if you accept the absurd number of 1.1 million DGU's, most of those were to prevent property crimes, not save lives.

Of course, the number is utter bullshit, so there's no point arguing it.

The FBI lists 200 uses of firearms in JUSTIFIABLE homicides a year.

So if you take yotterly silly number, of 1.1 million, you'd have to believe that in 1,099,800 cases were you had a desperate criminal and a scared guy compensating for a tiny pecker, the mere sight of a gun got the criminal to back off.

It's silly.

I've been over this with 2A before
there are NOT 1 million SD uses
it makes ALL his arguments RIDICULOUS--like the pool argument
their brains are so warped they believe this CRAZY crap

.....it was a SURVEY where they SURVEYED a few thousand people and ASKED them about their firearm use..then they extrapolated the data
..they are not logged in/not documented--not reported to police/etc
.....some other gun nut ADMITTED the [ hahahhaha ] SD users do not report their SD use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for fear they would be ''arrested'''/etc [ HAHAHAHAH ] for using their firearm for SD!!
IDIOCY--this IS idiocy

..if there were 1 million SD uses, that would mean there would be over 60 SD uses for every ONE murder !!!! = ridiculous/impossible
..and if true, that would mean the US crime rate is much higher than reported
..actually I put out the facts [ not a SURVEY ] long ago where there are dozens of murders per every SD use....

17 different studies shitstain......and they all came out with those numbers....including the vaunted Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice....actual researchers using research techniques used for every other thing they study....

they use the SURVEY
hahah
1.1 MILLION--your brain is washed
there is NOW WAY there are 1.1 MILLION

Actual research, from 17 different studies say you are wrong...the majority of the research done by anti-gunners who want to ban guns.......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

wrong
there are NOT 1 million SD uses..jesus christ--you need to see a doctor if you believe that
that would mean over 60 SD uses per 1 murder--hahahhahahahahaha
That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
How often are guns used to stop crimes?
etc more links

 

[2aguy]

Dead is dead.... they'd be alive if there wasn't a gun in the house.

no, they don't. Even if you accept the absurd number of 1.1 million DGU's, most of those were to prevent property crimes, not save lives.

Of course, the number is utter bullshit, so there's no point arguing it.

The FBI lists 200 uses of firearms in JUSTIFIABLE homicides a year.

So if you take yotterly silly number, of 1.1 million, you'd have to believe that in 1,099,800 cases were you had a desperate criminal and a scared guy compensating for a tiny pecker, the mere sight of a gun got the criminal to back off.

It's silly.

I've been over this with 2A before
there are NOT 1 million SD uses
it makes ALL his arguments RIDICULOUS--like the pool argument
their brains are so warped they believe this CRAZY crap

.....it was a SURVEY where they SURVEYED a few thousand people and ASKED them about their firearm use..then they extrapolated the data
..they are not logged in/not documented--not reported to police/etc
.....some other gun nut ADMITTED the [ hahahhaha ] SD users do not report their SD use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for fear they would be ''arrested'''/etc [ HAHAHAHAH ] for using their firearm for SD!!
IDIOCY--this IS idiocy

..if there were 1 million SD uses, that would mean there would be over 60 SD uses for every ONE murder !!!! = ridiculous/impossible
..and if true, that would mean the US crime rate is much higher than reported
..actually I put out the facts [ not a SURVEY ] long ago where there are dozens of murders per every SD use....

17 different studies shitstain......and they all came out with those numbers....including the vaunted Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice....actual researchers using research techniques used for every other thing they study....

they use the SURVEY
hahah
1.1 MILLION--your brain is washed
there is NOW WAY there are 1.1 MILLION

Actual research, from 17 different studies say you are wrong...the majority of the research done by anti-gunners who want to ban guns.......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

wrong
there are NOT 1 million SD uses..jesus christ--you need to see a doctor if you believe that
that would mean over 60 SD uses per 1 murder--hahahhahahahahaha
That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
How often are guns used to stop crimes?
etc more links

You are the dumb ass....

What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses? by Gary Kleck :: SSRN



Abstract
In 1996, 1997, and 1998, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) conducted large-scale surveys asking about defensive gun use (DGU) in four to seven states. Analysis of the raw data allows the estimation of the prevalence of DGU for those areas. Data pertaining to the same sets of states from the 1993 National Self-Defense Survey (Kleck and Gertz 1995) allow these results to be extrapolated to the U.S. as a whole. CDC’s survey data confirm previous high estimates of DGU prevalence, disconfirm estimates derived from the National Crime Victimization Survey, and indicate that defensive uses of guns by crime victims are far more common than offensive uses by criminals. CDC has never reported these results.

=========



Reason article on the revised paper..



A Second Look at a Controversial Study About Defensive Gun Use



-------



Original version before he went back to revise it...

The actual paper by Kleck revealing the CDC hiding data..



SSRN Electronic Library

The timing of CDC’s addition of a DGU question to the BRFSS is of some interest. Prior to 1996, the BRFSS had never included a question about DGU. Kleck and Gertz (1995) conducted their survey in February through April 1993, presented their estimate that there were over 2 million DGUs in 1992 at the annual meetings of the American Society of Criminology in November 1994, and published it in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology in the Fall of 1995. CDC added a DGU question to the BRFSS the very first year they could do so after that 1995 publication, in the 1996 edition. CDC was not the only federal agency during the Clinton administration to field a survey addressing the prevalence of DGU at that particular time. The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) financed a national survey devoting even more detailed attention to estimating DGU prevalence, which was fielded in November and December 1994, just months after preliminary results of the 1993 Kleck/Gertz survey became known. Neither CDC nor NIJ had ever financed research into DGU before 1996. Perhaps there was just “something in the air” that motivated the two agencies to suddenly decide in 1994 to address the topic. Another interpretation, however, is that fielding of the surveys was triggered by the Kleck/Gertz findings that DGU was common, and that these agencies hoped to obtain lower DGU prevalence estimates than those obtained by Kleck/Gertz. Low estimates would have implied fewer beneficial uses of firearms, results that would have been far more congenial to the strongly pro-control positions of the Clinton administration.

CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns



Kleck's new paper—"What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?"—finds that the agency had asked about DGUs in its Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System in 1996, 1997, and 1998.

Those polls, Kleck writes,

are high-quality telephone surveys of enormous probability samples of U.S. adults, asking about a wide range of health-related topics. Those that addressed DGU asked more people about this topic than any other surveys conducted before or since. For example, the 1996 survey asked the DGU question of 5,484 people. The next-largest number questioned about DGU was 4,977 by Kleck and Gertz (1995), and sample sizes were much smaller in all the rest of surveys on the topic (Kleck 2001).

Kleck was impressed with how well the survey worded its question: "During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?" Respondents were told to leave out incidents from occupations, like policing, where using firearms is part of the job. Kleck is impressed with how the question excludes animals but includes DGUs outside the home as well as within it.

Kleck is less impressed with the fact that the question was only asked of people who admitted to owning guns in their home earlier in the survey, and that they asked no follow-up questions regarding the specific nature of the DGU incident.

From Kleck's own surveys, he found that only 79 percent of those who reported a DGU "had also reported a gun in their household at the time of the interview," so he thinks whatever numbers the CDC found need to be revised upward to account for that. (Kleck speculates that CDC showed a sudden interest in the question of DGUs starting in 1996 because Kleck's own famous/notorious survey had been published in 1995.)

At any rate, Kleck downloaded the datasets for those three years and found that the "weighted percent who reported a DGU...was 1.3% in 1996, 0.9% in 1997, 1.0% in 1998, and 1.07% in all three surveys combined."





Kleck figures if you do the adjustment upward he thinks necessary for those who had DGU incidents without personally owning a gun in the home at the time of the survey, and then the adjustment downward he thinks necessary because CDC didn't do detailed follow-ups to confirm the nature of the incident, you get 1.24 percent, a close match to his own 1.326 percent figure.

He concludes that the small difference between his estimate and the CDC's "can be attributed to declining rates of violent crime, which accounts for most DGUs. With fewer occasions for self-defense in the form of violent victimizations, one would expect fewer DGUs."

Kleck further details how much these CDC surveys confirmed his own controversial work:

The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense.



This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)....CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals.

 

[2aguy]

Dead is dead.... they'd be alive if there wasn't a gun in the house.

no, they don't. Even if you accept the absurd number of 1.1 million DGU's, most of those were to prevent property crimes, not save lives.

Of course, the number is utter bullshit, so there's no point arguing it.

The FBI lists 200 uses of firearms in JUSTIFIABLE homicides a year.

So if you take yotterly silly number, of 1.1 million, you'd have to believe that in 1,099,800 cases were you had a desperate criminal and a scared guy compensating for a tiny pecker, the mere sight of a gun got the criminal to back off.

It's silly.

I've been over this with 2A before
there are NOT 1 million SD uses
it makes ALL his arguments RIDICULOUS--like the pool argument
their brains are so warped they believe this CRAZY crap

.....it was a SURVEY where they SURVEYED a few thousand people and ASKED them about their firearm use..then they extrapolated the data
..they are not logged in/not documented--not reported to police/etc
.....some other gun nut ADMITTED the [ hahahhaha ] SD users do not report their SD use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for fear they would be ''arrested'''/etc [ HAHAHAHAH ] for using their firearm for SD!!
IDIOCY--this IS idiocy

..if there were 1 million SD uses, that would mean there would be over 60 SD uses for every ONE murder !!!! = ridiculous/impossible
..and if true, that would mean the US crime rate is much higher than reported
..actually I put out the facts [ not a SURVEY ] long ago where there are dozens of murders per every SD use....

17 different studies shitstain......and they all came out with those numbers....including the vaunted Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice....actual researchers using research techniques used for every other thing they study....

they use the SURVEY
hahah
1.1 MILLION--your brain is washed
there is NOW WAY there are 1.1 MILLION

Actual research, from 17 different studies say you are wrong...the majority of the research done by anti-gunners who want to ban guns.......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

wrong
there are NOT 1 million SD uses..jesus christ--you need to see a doctor if you believe that
that would mean over 60 SD uses per 1 murder--hahahhahahahahaha
That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
How often are guns used to stop crimes?
etc more links

And the actual research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[2aguy]

Dead is dead.... they'd be alive if there wasn't a gun in the house.

no, they don't. Even if you accept the absurd number of 1.1 million DGU's, most of those were to prevent property crimes, not save lives.

Of course, the number is utter bullshit, so there's no point arguing it.

The FBI lists 200 uses of firearms in JUSTIFIABLE homicides a year.

So if you take yotterly silly number, of 1.1 million, you'd have to believe that in 1,099,800 cases were you had a desperate criminal and a scared guy compensating for a tiny pecker, the mere sight of a gun got the criminal to back off.

It's silly.

I've been over this with 2A before
there are NOT 1 million SD uses
it makes ALL his arguments RIDICULOUS--like the pool argument
their brains are so warped they believe this CRAZY crap

.....it was a SURVEY where they SURVEYED a few thousand people and ASKED them about their firearm use..then they extrapolated the data
..they are not logged in/not documented--not reported to police/etc
.....some other gun nut ADMITTED the [ hahahhaha ] SD users do not report their SD use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for fear they would be ''arrested'''/etc [ HAHAHAHAH ] for using their firearm for SD!!
IDIOCY--this IS idiocy

..if there were 1 million SD uses, that would mean there would be over 60 SD uses for every ONE murder !!!! = ridiculous/impossible
..and if true, that would mean the US crime rate is much higher than reported
..actually I put out the facts [ not a SURVEY ] long ago where there are dozens of murders per every SD use....

17 different studies shitstain......and they all came out with those numbers....including the vaunted Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice....actual researchers using research techniques used for every other thing they study....

they use the SURVEY
hahah
1.1 MILLION--your brain is washed
there is NOW WAY there are 1.1 MILLION

Actual research, from 17 different studies say you are wrong...the majority of the research done by anti-gunners who want to ban guns.......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

wrong
there are NOT 1 million SD uses..jesus christ--you need to see a doctor if you believe that
that would mean over 60 SD uses per 1 murder--hahahhahahahahaha
That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
How often are guns used to stop crimes?
etc more links

Moron....you link to an article that uses the Violence Policy Center....they just record actual gun deaths, you shitstain......I listed actual studies that researched defensive gun use by 17 different researchers.... and then they use a guy who mixes gun suicides in with gun murder.....you are a really stupid human.....

 

[harmonica]

I've been over this with 2A before
there are NOT 1 million SD uses
it makes ALL his arguments RIDICULOUS--like the pool argument
their brains are so warped they believe this CRAZY crap

.....it was a SURVEY where they SURVEYED a few thousand people and ASKED them about their firearm use..then they extrapolated the data
..they are not logged in/not documented--not reported to police/etc
.....some other gun nut ADMITTED the [ hahahhaha ] SD users do not report their SD use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for fear they would be ''arrested'''/etc [ HAHAHAHAH ] for using their firearm for SD!!
IDIOCY--this IS idiocy

..if there were 1 million SD uses, that would mean there would be over 60 SD uses for every ONE murder !!!! = ridiculous/impossible
..and if true, that would mean the US crime rate is much higher than reported
..actually I put out the facts [ not a SURVEY ] long ago where there are dozens of murders per every SD use....

17 different studies shitstain......and they all came out with those numbers....including the vaunted Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice....actual researchers using research techniques used for every other thing they study....

they use the SURVEY
hahah
1.1 MILLION--your brain is washed
there is NOW WAY there are 1.1 MILLION

Actual research, from 17 different studies say you are wrong...the majority of the research done by anti-gunners who want to ban guns.......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

wrong
there are NOT 1 million SD uses..jesus christ--you need to see a doctor if you believe that
that would mean over 60 SD uses per 1 murder--hahahhahahahahaha
That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
How often are guns used to stop crimes?
etc more links

And the actual research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

thank you--you prove MY point

IN PREVIOUS SURVEYS

you must not know the definition of SURVEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a set of questions people are asked to gather information or find out theiropinions, or the information gathered by asking many people the samequestions:

 

[JoeB131]

Actual research, from 17 different studies say you are wrong...the majority of the research done by anti-gunners who want to ban guns.......

still about as true as pools being more deadly than guns and the other crazy stuff you post here.

Come on, we had another mass shooting last night.

This is how I imagine 2AGuy at home.

 

[2aguy]

17 different studies shitstain......and they all came out with those numbers....including the vaunted Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice....actual researchers using research techniques used for every other thing they study....

they use the SURVEY
hahah
1.1 MILLION--your brain is washed
there is NOW WAY there are 1.1 MILLION

Actual research, from 17 different studies say you are wrong...the majority of the research done by anti-gunners who want to ban guns.......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

wrong
there are NOT 1 million SD uses..jesus christ--you need to see a doctor if you believe that
that would mean over 60 SD uses per 1 murder--hahahhahahahahaha
That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
How often are guns used to stop crimes?
etc more links

And the actual research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

thank you--you prove MY point

IN PREVIOUS SURVEYS

you must not know the definition of SURVEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a set of questions people are asked to gather information or find out theiropinions, or the information gathered by asking many people the samequestions:

Moron.....they used actual research methods to find out the data....you dumb ass......

17 different studies, the majority of the researchers anti-gun researchers....you moron.

 

[jknowgood]

33,000 killed with guns.

I can outrun a fire... I can't outrun a bullet.

Over 3000 died using airplanes.

 

[JoeB131]

Over 3000 died using airplanes.

Okay, since you are referring to 9/11, let's look at that.

They replaced the minimum wage rental cops with professional TSA agents.
They installed a lot of new equipment to keep bad guys off of planes.
They established watch lists and screening processes.
They put metal doors on the cockpits to keep people from breaking in to the flight controls.

In short, we had a SINGLE REALLY BAD INCIDENT. We took extensive measures to keep it from happening again, and guess what, it hasn't.

Now, with guns, we've had dozens of really bad incidents. Yet we haven't made it harder to get guns, we haven't made efforts to keep certain people away from them. Quite the contrary, we've loosed the restrictions and no surprised, we are having more of these incidents.

 

[2aguy]

Over 3000 died using airplanes.

Okay, since you are referring to 9/11, let's look at that.

They replaced the minimum wage rental cops with professional TSA agents.
They installed a lot of new equipment to keep bad guys off of planes.
They established watch lists and screening processes.
They put metal doors on the cockpits to keep people from breaking in to the flight controls.

In short, we had a SINGLE REALLY BAD INCIDENT. We took extensive measures to keep it from happening again, and guess what, it hasn't.

Now, with guns, we've had dozens of really bad incidents. Yet we haven't made it harder to get guns, we haven't made efforts to keep certain people away from them. Quite the contrary, we've loosed the restrictions and no surprised, we are having more of these incidents.

Air travel is not a Right...you fascist doofus.

We have over 1.1 million defensive gun uses a year according to the CDC, rapes, robberies and murders that do not happen because normal people have guns.

We have all the laws we need to stop gun crime....but the democrats you support keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again, and they already can't buy, own or carry guns...and if they are caught with guns they can already be arrested....

You just want to attack normal people who have not used their legal guns for any crime....no crime whatsoever...you fascist asshat.

 

[2aguy]

Over 3000 died using airplanes.

Okay, since you are referring to 9/11, let's look at that.

They replaced the minimum wage rental cops with professional TSA agents.
They installed a lot of new equipment to keep bad guys off of planes.
They established watch lists and screening processes.
They put metal doors on the cockpits to keep people from breaking in to the flight controls.

In short, we had a SINGLE REALLY BAD INCIDENT. We took extensive measures to keep it from happening again, and guess what, it hasn't.

Now, with guns, we've had dozens of really bad incidents. Yet we haven't made it harder to get guns, we haven't made efforts to keep certain people away from them. Quite the contrary, we've loosed the restrictions and no surprised, we are having more of these incidents.

No moron.....we have all the background checks you want.....they don't stop people who don't commit a crime prior to the shooting....you are a fascist who wants to consider every American a criminal that you can simply scoop up when you decide you want to arrest them...

None of the shooters was a criminal, so they hadn't broken any laws....you want to take guns away from normal people for the law breakers, the ones already ignoring your laws...you are an idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

Air travel is not a Right...you fascist doofus.

Two more SCOTUS appointments, neither is gun ownership.

We have all the laws we need to stop gun crime....but the democrats you support keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again, and they already can't buy, own or carry guns...and if they are caught with guns they can already be arrested....

Most gun deaths are domestic violence, suicides and accidents.

No moron.....we have all the background checks you want.....

No, guy, you don't have the background check I want.

My way. We would send out an investigator to talk to your family, your neighbors, your boss and your co-workers... and if a one of them says, "Fuck, no that guys Crazy!!!"

NO GUN FOR YOU.

Every last mass shooter would have been stopped if this had been done.

Add to that a red flag law... If you are sufficiently scary, we take your guns.

 

[hadit]

Are you being deliberately disingenuous? You keep cutting the number of HOMICIDES, when clearly the defensive uses do not even have to involve the gun being fired.

Go back, read what I posted, have someone help you with the big words.

Sure, just compare apples to apples.

I am. the FBI thinks there are about 60K DGU's a year. That's a number that makes sense, given that you only have about 250 self-defense homicides.

On the other hand, - the Kleck or Lott numbers of millions are just silly. You'd have to believe that guns are whipped out millions of times, but only a handful of people end up dead.

What's hard to believe about that? Do you seriously think most people are just itching to shoot someone?

 

[hadit]

Over 22,000 of them were suicide...... you keep lying, you asshat.

Dead is dead.... they'd be alive if there wasn't a gun in the house.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.

no, they don't. Even if you accept the absurd number of 1.1 million DGU's, most of those were to prevent property crimes, not save lives.

Of course, the number is utter bullshit, so there's no point arguing it.

The FBI lists 200 uses of firearms in JUSTIFIABLE homicides a year.

So if you take yotterly silly number, of 1.1 million, you'd have to believe that in 1,099,800 cases were you had a desperate criminal and a scared guy compensating for a tiny pecker, the mere sight of a gun got the criminal to back off.

It's silly.

I've been over this with 2A before
there are NOT 1 million SD uses
it makes ALL his arguments RIDICULOUS--like the pool argument
their brains are so warped they believe this CRAZY crap

.....it was a SURVEY where they SURVEYED a few thousand people and ASKED them about their firearm use..then they extrapolated the data
..they are not logged in/not documented--not reported to police/etc
.....some other gun nut ADMITTED the [ hahahhaha ] SD users do not report their SD use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for fear they would be ''arrested'''/etc [ HAHAHAHAH ] for using their firearm for SD!!
IDIOCY--this IS idiocy

..if there were 1 million SD uses, that would mean there would be over 60 SD uses for every ONE murder !!!! = ridiculous/impossible
..and if true, that would mean the US crime rate is much higher than reported
..actually I put out the facts [ not a SURVEY ] long ago where there are dozens of murders per every SD use....

17 different studies shitstain......and they all came out with those numbers....including the vaunted Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice....actual researchers using research techniques used for every other thing they study....

they use the SURVEY
hahah
1.1 MILLION--your brain is washed
there is NOW WAY there are 1.1 MILLION

You don't believe it because feelings.

 

[2aguy]

Air travel is not a Right...you fascist doofus.

Two more SCOTUS appointments, neither is gun ownership.

We have all the laws we need to stop gun crime....but the democrats you support keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again, and they already can't buy, own or carry guns...and if they are caught with guns they can already be arrested....

Most gun deaths are domestic violence, suicides and accidents.

No moron.....we have all the background checks you want.....

No, guy, you don't have the background check I want.

My way. We would send out an investigator to talk to your family, your neighbors, your boss and your co-workers... and if a one of them says, "Fuck, no that guys Crazy!!!"

NO GUN FOR YOU.

Every last mass shooter would have been stopped if this had been done.

Add to that a red flag law... If you are sufficiently scary, we take your guns.

Most gun deaths are suicides....Japan has extreme gun control and higher suicide rates, so guns aren't the issue, mental health is the issue...

And please...tell us how Psychology Today is actually the NRA...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[2aguy]

Air travel is not a Right...you fascist doofus.

Two more SCOTUS appointments, neither is gun ownership.

We have all the laws we need to stop gun crime....but the democrats you support keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again, and they already can't buy, own or carry guns...and if they are caught with guns they can already be arrested....

Most gun deaths are domestic violence, suicides and accidents.

No moron.....we have all the background checks you want.....

No, guy, you don't have the background check I want.

My way. We would send out an investigator to talk to your family, your neighbors, your boss and your co-workers... and if a one of them says, "Fuck, no that guys Crazy!!!"

NO GUN FOR YOU.

Every last mass shooter would have been stopped if this had been done.

Add to that a red flag law... If you are sufficiently scary, we take your guns.

Yes...you are a fascist...we get it, you don't have to remind us....

The Pulse Night Club muslim shooter had an extensive background check for his job. He passed a separate background check for each gun he purchased.

On top of that, after an anonymous tip to the FBI, he had a complet FBI background check and review, at least 2 personal interviews with trained FBI interrogators and an undercover approach by an FBI agent....

He passed all of it with flying colors you fascist doofus.......

 

[22lcidw]

Over 3000 died using airplanes.

Okay, since you are referring to 9/11, let's look at that.

They replaced the minimum wage rental cops with professional TSA agents.
They installed a lot of new equipment to keep bad guys off of planes.
They established watch lists and screening processes.
They put metal doors on the cockpits to keep people from breaking in to the flight controls.

In short, we had a SINGLE REALLY BAD INCIDENT. We took extensive measures to keep it from happening again, and guess what, it hasn't.

Now, with guns, we've had dozens of really bad incidents. Yet we haven't made it harder to get guns, we haven't made efforts to keep certain people away from them. Quite the contrary, we've loosed the restrictions and no surprised, we are having more of these incidents.

It is such a pleasure to fly the friendly skies. So enjoyable. Why don't you look up a film called "Shadow on the Land". It is about an authoritiarian government that rules our nation. A low budget 1960's TV film that was proposed as a series. All of these channels on cable TV and they never show that. See the rights you lost you spastic azz. Laws are in place for it all. One other thing. The naziism of the airline industry has kept to many women as stewardesses working as aging beasts and what is worse act like Hitler type frauleins.

 

[2aguy]

Air travel is not a Right...you fascist doofus.

Two more SCOTUS appointments, neither is gun ownership.

We have all the laws we need to stop gun crime....but the democrats you support keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again, and they already can't buy, own or carry guns...and if they are caught with guns they can already be arrested....

Most gun deaths are domestic violence, suicides and accidents.

No moron.....we have all the background checks you want.....

No, guy, you don't have the background check I want.

My way. We would send out an investigator to talk to your family, your neighbors, your boss and your co-workers... and if a one of them says, "Fuck, no that guys Crazy!!!"

NO GUN FOR YOU.

Every last mass shooter would have been stopped if this had been done.

Add to that a red flag law... If you are sufficiently scary, we take your guns.

Besides the Pusle Night Club shooter, the Parkland shooter had over 30 police interactions and several arrests......he committed felonies by brining a knife and gun magazine onto his high school campus...but your doofus....obama, allowed him to walk on all of it because of his "Promise Program." He then passed a background check for those guns....you fascist doofus.....