At least these 25 people weren't killed with a gun...they were killed with fire, so much better...

[Crixus]

So.....33 killed in Tokyo using about a gallon of gasoline, and now 25 people killed with a gallon of gasoline......even with the higher cost of living in Japan, that would be what, no more than 10 bucks in gas and in Mexico, about 5 bucks....

Luckily....these people were killed by burning to death, and not with a gun.......er....right?

At least 25 killed in 'horrendous' arson attack on bar in Mexico

Mexico, Aug 28 (Reuters) - At least 25 people were killed in an arson attack by suspected gang members on a bar in the southeastern Mexican port of Coatzacoalcos late on Tuesday, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said, in a fresh blow to his efforts to curb violence.

Calling the attack "horrendous," Lopez Obrador told a regular morning news conference on Wednesday that the deaths occurred after the suspected gangsters closed the emergency exits of the bar in Coatzacoalcos and set fire to it.

The attorney general's office of the state of Veracruz said overnight that eight women and 15 men died in the fire at the "Caballo Blanco" bar, and 13 people who were seriously wounded were hospitalized for treatment.

Lopez Obrador said 25 people had died so far and that initial investigations indicated that some suspects behind the attack had been in custody this year and were later released.

We must regulate fire.

 

[rightwinger]

33,000 killed with guns.

I can outrun a fire... I can't outrun a bullet.

Over 22,000 of them were suicide...... you keep lying, you asshat.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives...according to the Centers for Disease Control....and the Department of Justice puts that number at 1.5 million times a year....

Can you tell which number is bigger?

Those 22,000 also did not outrun a bullet

 

[Dan Stubbs]

So.....33 killed in Tokyo using about a gallon of gasoline, and now 25 people killed with a gallon of gasoline......even with the higher cost of living in Japan, that would be what, no more than 10 bucks in gas and in Mexico, about 5 bucks....

Luckily....these people were killed by burning to death, and not with a gun.......er....right?

At least 25 killed in 'horrendous' arson attack on bar in Mexico

Mexico, Aug 28 (Reuters) - At least 25 people were killed in an arson attack by suspected gang members on a bar in the southeastern Mexican port of Coatzacoalcos late on Tuesday, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said, in a fresh blow to his efforts to curb violence.

Calling the attack "horrendous," Lopez Obrador told a regular morning news conference on Wednesday that the deaths occurred after the suspected gangsters closed the emergency exits of the bar in Coatzacoalcos and set fire to it.

The attorney general's office of the state of Veracruz said overnight that eight women and 15 men died in the fire at the "Caballo Blanco" bar, and 13 people who were seriously wounded were hospitalized for treatment.

Lopez Obrador said 25 people had died so far and that initial investigations indicated that some suspects behind the attack had been in custody this year and were later released.

From reading the Mexico Newpapers they have a real problem with Terrorist Cartels. I bet they will come North and we will start having the same problems. We really need to get some Military presents on the Border, with authority to arrest and detain the illegals who are invading this Nation. There is no peace on this USA and Mexico border. Mexico has been beefing the troops but still have the problems with the Cartel gangs.


Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
While Mexico’s homicide rate of about 27 per 100,000 people is higher than that of the United States (which is expected to come in at about five per 100,000 people for 2018), it is still considerably lower than the rates for other countries in the region, including El Salvador (about 82 per 100,000), Honduras (about 56 per 100,000) and Jamaica (about 47 per 100,000).Tracking Mexico's cartels in 2019: turf war clashes will rage on

 

[rightwinger]

It’s a shame

If only those 25 people were armed, none of this would have happened

 

[JoeB131]

And yet the fact remains millions of crimes are stopped by free citizens owning firearms.

If someone breaks into your house, hand them your wife and children and tell the perp to please rape them gently.

True story. Most of the industrialized world bans guns, and they have less crime than we do.

 

[MAGAman]

And yet the fact remains millions of crimes are stopped by free citizens owning firearms.

If someone breaks into your house, hand them your wife and children and tell the perp to please rape them gently.

True story. Most of the industrialized world bans guns, and they have less crime than we do.

True Story:

Nobody else has our Bill of Rights, and therefore are not as free as Americans.

Another True Story:

America is greater than the rest.

 

[hadit]

And isn't that the ideal scenario, where no one gets killed (your phallic obsession aside)? Interesting that you try to use a homicide statistic to disprove a NON-homicide statistic.

Flying unicorns farting rainbows would be ideal, too. In the real world, if you are so desperate you are going out to commit a crime, you aren't going to be deterred 99.9998% of the time because someone waived a gun at you.

Complain to the government, the source of the info.

 

[Likkmee]

Both suck. I prefer killing by ping pong paddle

 

[2aguy]

And yet the fact remains millions of crimes are stopped by free citizens owning firearms.

If someone breaks into your house, hand them your wife and children and tell the perp to please rape them gently.

True story. Most of the industrialized world bans guns, and they have less crime than we do.

Moron, they had less crime before they banned guns, then they murdered 12 million unarmed people.

 

[JoeB131]

rue Story:

Nobody else has our Bill of Rights, and therefore are not as free as Americans.

Sorry, man we aren't "Free". 2 miliion people in prison, police armed like soldiers, security checkpoints all over the place.

Another True Story:

America is greater than the rest.

If being fat, superstitious and bad at math are virtues, yeah, America is awesome.

We're actually the retards of the industrialized world... but never mind.

 

[JoeB131]

Complain to the government, the source of the info.

Admitting Kleck's bullshit study exists is not endorsing it.

The FBI actually puts the number of DGU at 45,000. Not high enough to justify the 33,000 gun deaths, 70,000 gun injuries and 400,000 gun crimes.

 

[hadit]

Complain to the government, the source of the info.

Admitting Kleck's bullshit study exists is not endorsing it.

The FBI actually puts the number of DGU at 45,000. Not high enough to justify the 33,000 gun deaths, 70,000 gun injuries and 400,000 gun crimes.

You mean the FBI that focuses on inter-state, not intra-state crime?

 

[JoeB131]

You mean the FBI that focuses on inter-state, not intra-state crime?

Nope. I mean the FBI actually records cases, it doesn't make estimates based on flawed methodology like Kleck and Lott did.

 

[MAGAman]

Complain to the government, the source of the info.

Admitting Kleck's bullshit study exists is not endorsing it.

The FBI actually puts the number of DGU at 45,000. Not high enough to justify the 33,000 gun deaths, 70,000 gun injuries and 400,000 gun crimes.

Constitutional Rights don't need justification.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Both suck. I prefer killing by ping pong paddle

It can be done but it's very bloody. Have you ever seen anyone beaten with a ping pong paddle with holes drilled in it. Hamburger!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

rue Story:

Nobody else has our Bill of Rights, and therefore are not as free as Americans.

Sorry, man we aren't "Free". 2 miliion people in prison, police armed like soldiers, security checkpoints all over the place.

Another True Story:

America is greater than the rest.

If being fat, superstitious and bad at math are virtues, yeah, America is awesome.

We're actually the retards of the industrialized world... but never mind.

Math is racist. Liberals don't do racist math because they aren't racists.
Math is Racist: University of Illinois Professor | National Review

 

[JoeB131]

Constitutional Rights don't need justification.

No on is interfering with your right to join a well-regulated militia....

 

[2aguy]

rue Story:

Nobody else has our Bill of Rights, and therefore are not as free as Americans.

Sorry, man we aren't "Free". 2 miliion people in prison, police armed like soldiers, security checkpoints all over the place.

Another True Story:

America is greater than the rest.

If being fat, superstitious and bad at math are virtues, yeah, America is awesome.

We're actually the retards of the industrialized world... but never mind.

The cops in Europe are armed like soldiers....not ours... those people in prison broke the law, they aren't political prisoners....and just letting them out would mean more violence in those communities.

 

[2aguy]

Complain to the government, the source of the info.

Admitting Kleck's bullshit study exists is not endorsing it.

The FBI actually puts the number of DGU at 45,000. Not high enough to justify the 33,000 gun deaths, 70,000 gun injuries and 400,000 gun crimes.

Wrong. The Department of Justice using actual research determined the number to be 1.5 million times a year....the Centers for Disease Control put it at 1.1 million times a year.....

And you keep putting suicide in with gun crime because the gun murder number is too low in a country of 320 million people to scare people.....

And with Americans using their legal guns to save lives, stop rape, robbery and murder 1.1 million times a year, your numbers are tiny.....

And the savings in money....and lives, because normal people can use guns to save lives?

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.




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Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
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It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
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How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

 

[JoeB131]

he cops in Europe are armed like soldiers....not ours... those people in prison broke the law, they aren't political prisoners....and just letting them out would mean more violence in those communities.

Number of people shot by Police in the US- 2018 - 996
Number of people shot by police in the UK - 2018 - 1
Number of people killed by police in Japan 2018 2
Number of people killed by Police in Germany 11
Number of people killed by police in Canada 36
Number of people killed by police in France 26

Seeing a pattern here, buddy?

List of killings by law enforcement officers by countries - Wikipedia