As an Independent, I can say that most Democrats would likely prefer that Trump wins the Republican nomination over DeSantis.

[BrokeLoser]

I am "Non Partisan" first and foremost - not part of any political party. I sometimes use the term independent or moderate so folks that do not understand politics very well may get a better understanding but the reality is that I am 100% non-partisan.

With the parties so far apart on ideology and policy these days, how does one stay “100% non-partisan”?

 

[Hellokitty]

DeSantis has lost his appeal to moderates. The six week abortion ban finished his chances. He is banning books, attacking diversity programs and stripping people of their rights. If he is so mart then why is he beating up Mickey Mouse? Donald Trump keeps egging him on and he keeps pulling stupid shit. If you thing he is a moderate, then you are not moderate nor independent.

DeSantis has to keep peoples focuse on culture wars because he's uniparty on the economy, foregin policy and trade.

 

[Ace Nova]

when you have the fbi, cia, doj,social media and the msn as part of the democraps party, they make it tough to win

then you need massive mail in and drop box fraud to seal the deal....that is how elections work now

In my humble opinion, Trump supporters do themselves a disservice by continuing to insist that the election was "rigged".

Does the majority of the main stream media in the US lean left? Yep

Does the majority of Hollywood, TV shows, etc also lean left? Yep.

Was there a record amount of mail in ballots during the last election? Yep.

That still does not mean the election was rigged. Because it wasn't.

Do you know how you overcome all the above and win an election?

By focusing on the real issues with elections in certain areas, etc. Voter registration and ID is one area I would focus on. Why? Because there is NO excuse for someone in the year 2023 not to have an official government ID to vote. The fact that the far left keeps beating that drum (not to enforce ID's) is a weakness and if I were a hard core Republican I would focus on that.

The excuses that some people are "too poor" or don't have access to get an ID in 2023 isn't a valid excuse - it's quite the opposite. I would ask, "Why do people in your voting precinct not have the money or resources to obtain an ID?" If that's your district and your a politician, it's YOUR duty to make sure that all citizens in your area or region have the ability to obtain an ID.

If Trump supporters keep convincing themselves that the election was "rigged" how will they ever overcome the real issues in elections? It's only a silly distraction that has zero merit.

 

[Ace Nova]

With the parties so far apart on ideology and policy these days, how does one stay “100% non-partisan”?

I almost always try to see "both sides of the story". I also have an uncanny ability to watch/read certain news stories, etc and immediately determine when the author/news anchor, etc is drifting from the news and/or begins to form an agenda.

A good start for someone interested in being "non partisan" is to begin to put yourself in that person's shoes. Try to understand why that person feels that way or believes that, etc. Then put yourself in the person's shoes on the other side of the debate.

You may end up not agreeing with either, agreeing with some points both have or you may agree with only one side. And if you do end up agreeing with one side, you'll have a sound basis for doing so and won't have an issue talking about it with those opposed because you already understand why they oppose it.

 

[Lakhota]

I almost always try to see "both sides of the story". I also have an uncanny ability to watch/read certain news stories, etc and immediately determine when the author/news anchor, etc is drifting from the news and/or begins to form an agenda.

A good start for someone interested in being "non partisan" is to begin to put yourself in that person's shoes. Try to understand why that person feels that way or believes that, etc. Then put yourself in the person's shoes on the other side of the debate.

You may end up not agreeing with either, agreeing with some points both have or you may agree with only one side. And if you do end up agreeing with one side, you'll have a sound basis for doing so and won't have an issue talking about it with those opposed because you already understand why they oppose it.

 

[toobfreak]

Energy production has not been killed.

Merely suffocated.

Republicans are trying to kill green energy production.

There is no green energy production, it amounts to a tiny fraction. They are trying to save known, reliable energy sources to protect our energy base until and if ever green energy is truely ready to take over. Fat chance. We need nuclear power.

Putin started the war.

Not with the USA he didn't.

Greedy companies are causing inflation.

Something about Biden must make them greedy because soon as that MFer got in, prices went out the roof.

There is no invasion.

Just an estimated FIFTEEN MILLION undocumented, unskilled, unknown, needy people by the time Biden's term is over. Try to sell your bullcrap to El Paso.

Crime is highest in red states.

Must be why every blue city is bleeding and NYC is looking at ending their sanctuary status, right, genius?

The government is not spying on anyone.

That has already been proven demonstrably false. You got horse-feathers for brains?

It is right wing fascists who are threatening school boards and you are okay with that.

BULLSHIT.

Republicans are attacking women and children.

TRIPLE BULLSHIT.

You are the Nazi pinhead.

That's enough. Next time you try to float such provocateur CRAP, back on Iggy you will go. It's up to you.

 

[toobfreak]

Stand for nothing? Quite the opposite. I stand for what I believe in. What I don't do is follow a certain party when

tl;dr.

Bottom line is that no one ever said you had to follow or agree with either party or any party 100% or even 50% to not be incenced at the overall corruption and waste of government and the harm being done to the nation, much less to sit there on some "throne" telling people what a big "moderate" you are.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

In my humble opinion, Trump supporters do themselves a disservice by continuing to insist that the election was "rigged".

Does the majority of the main stream media in the US lean left? Yep

Does the majority of Hollywood, TV shows, etc also lean left? Yep.

Was there a record amount of mail in ballots during the last election? Yep.

That still does not mean the election was rigged. Because it wasn't.

Do you know how you overcome all the above and win an election?

By focusing on the real issues with elections in certain areas, etc. Voter registration and ID is one area I would focus on. Why? Because there is NO excuse for someone in the year 2023 not to have an official government ID to vote. The fact that the far left keeps beating that drum (not to enforce ID's) is a weakness and if I were a hard core Republican I would focus on that.

The excuses that some people are "too poor" or don't have access to get an ID in 2023 isn't a valid excuse - it's quite the opposite. I would ask, "Why do people in your voting precinct not have the money or resources to obtain an ID?" If that's your district and your a politician, it's YOUR duty to make sure that all citizens in your area or region have the ability to obtain an ID.

If Trump supporters keep convincing themselves that the election was "rigged" how will they ever overcome the real issues in elections? It's only a silly distraction that has zero merit.

you have to be pretty god damned dumb to write me all that horse shit....lolol

look stupid, every GD goobermint agency conspired to censor everything from your dumb fucking minds and throw an election you dumb ass

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

you have to be pretty god damned dumb to write me all that horse shit....lolol

look stupid, every GD goobermint agency conspired to censor everything from your dumb fucking minds and throw an election you dumb ass

You are very, very ill.

 

[BrokeLoser]

In my humble opinion, Trump supporters do themselves a disservice by continuing to insist that the election was "rigged".

Democrats cried “RIGGED” for years…remember Russian “meddling”? Why does it seem to work for them?

Was there a record amount of mail in ballots during the last election? Yep.

That still does not mean the election was rigged. Because it wasn't.

Wasn’t there a record amount of mail in ballots because leftist governors skirted around the state legislative processes under the guise of ‘national emergency’?
Isn’t that “rigging” in favor of Democrats?
Wasn’t leftist government using their propangand arms, the media and social media to suppress conservative speech? Isn’t that “rigging”?

If Trump supporters keep convincing themselves that the election was "rigged" how will they ever overcome the real issues in elections? It's only a silly distraction that has zero merit.

They should pretend rigging didn’t happen because saying it did offends you ‘kinda’ leftists and drives you to vote for the riggers? That makes sense.

 

[busybee01]

I live in Florida so maybe I have the advantage of seeing what truly is happening here vs. click bait newsfeeds, tweets, etc.

Banning books? Nope. Every single adult in the state of Florida can still access and/or purchase any book available to the rest of the country.

What they can't do is force certain controversial books and/or the teaching of controversial subjects, to be required reading for grade school aged children. Do you honestly not see the difference between what you're implying and the truth?

Any parent, can without question, still read and teach their children those subjects - and quite frankly, certain subjects SHOULD be taught by parents - and not by a random school teacher who may have their own opinion on the matter.

Do you want your grade school aged child learning very personal (sometimes sexual) and controversial subjects by a teacher you may have only met for a few moments here or there - or would you, as a responsible parent, prefer to do it yourself?

As far as the Disney situation goes - I tend to agree that's one area where he should back off. It wasn't a very good idea to begin with and quite frankly, it goes against core Republican principles to interfere and attempt to dictate how a business in the private sector should be run.

And no, I don't think that DeSantis is a "moderate" in terms of "overall" ideology. He is a conservative but he is a level headed, modern thinking conservative who (for the most part) raises valid points. He's not perfect (and like the Disney situation) can make mistakes.
I think the jury is still out on him to an extent but if he slows down on "us vs them" rhetoric and begins to show that (at least some) conservative approaches can be beneficial for all Americans, including progressives; he could potentially gain a good amount of support from most right leaning moderates/centrists and from some on the middle/left as well.

DeSantis is banning books. He is banning ideas. He is banning diversity programs. All you are spouting are right wing talking points. What are controversial subjects? The fact that there was segregation in the US. There was slavery in the US. That is racism and you cannot pretend it is not.

DeSantis is not a conservative, he is a far right wing fascist. Being woke is not a dirty word. Pretending that racism does not exist is racism. The GOP is living proof of that.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Mail in balloting is not rigged; Trump uses it.

 

[busybee01]

I think you missed my main point - which was implying that DeSantis has a better chance of beating Biden in the general election. Like you said, Trump remains (at least optically) to still be a very divisive candidate to most people on the left and middle - meaning that Biden could likely beat him again because a good portion of the country (whether justified or not) are scared of him becoming president again.

DeSantis is more divisive than Trump when you look at what he has done. Even Trump knows this Disney fight is silly. That is why he has been egging DeSantis on. That does not bode well for DeSantis.

 

[busybee01]

Democrats cried “RIGGED” for years…remember Russian “meddling”? Why does it seem to work for them?

Wasn’t there a record amount of mail in ballots because leftist governors skirted around the state legislative processes under the guise of ‘national emergency’?
Isn’t that “rigging” in favor of Democrats?
Wasn’t leftist government using their propangand arms, the media and social media to suppress conservative speech? Isn’t that “rigging”?

They should pretend rigging didn’t happen because saying it did offends you ‘kinda’ leftists and drives you to vote for the riggers? That makes sense.

There was no vote rigging. Mail-in ballots are not vote rigging. Mail in ballots were available for Republicans, Democrats and Independents. No conservative speech was suppressed. That is myth.

 

[busybee01]

Merely suffocated.


There is no green energy production, it amounts to a tiny fraction. They are trying to save known, reliable energy sources to protect our energy base until and if ever green energy is truely ready to take over. Fat chance. We need nuclear power.


Not with the USA he didn't.


Something about Biden must make them greedy because soon as that MFer got in, prices went out the roof.


Just an estimated FIFTEEN MILLION undocumented, unskilled, unknown, needy people by the time Biden's term is over. Try to sell your bullcrap to El Paso.


Must be why every blue city is bleeding and NYC is looking at ending their sanctuary status, right, genius?


That has already been proven demonstrably false. You got horse-feathers for brains?


BULLSHIT.


TRIPLE BULLSHIT.


That's enough. Next time you try to float such provocateur CRAP, back on Iggy you will go. It's up to you.

You are the one selling bullshit and bullcrap just like every Trump supporter. Energy production has not even been suffocated. More fantasies on your part. Green energy production is growing in this country. There are no American soldiers in Ukraine so we are not at war with them. We should continue to send weapons to Ukraine. The fact is that companies have seen a huge increase in profits especially industries that have little or no competition. The financial statements that these companies release have clearly shown that.

Republicans are attacking the rights of women. The attack on abortion rights is the prime example. Women's lives are being threatened if they have health issues during their pregnancy. Young girls have suffered health issues because they have been forced to have a child. Republicans want to cut aid to low income children. The rage now is to get rid of child labor laws.

If you want to ignore me then I will accept your surrender. Clearly you know this is true.

 

[Ace Nova]

tl;dr.

Bottom line is that no one ever said you had to follow or agree with either party or any party 100% or even 50% to not be incenced at the overall corruption and waste of government and the harm being done to the nation, much less to sit there on some "throne" telling people what a big "moderate" you are.

Let me be clear, I'm "non partisan" - meaning I don't belong to specific political party. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm "moderate" on all issues.

Are you saying the reason you belong to a specific political party is because you are incensed at the current state of affairs?

 

[Ace Nova]

you have to be pretty god damned dumb to write me all that horse shit....lolol

look stupid, every GD goobermint agency conspired to censor everything from your dumb fucking minds and throw an election you dumb ass

It's pretty easy to call anyone who disagrees with your opinions stupid. Then those that disagree with your opinions will answer back in a similar fashion.

So basically, we go back to grade school level debate, "You're stupid". "No, you're stupid".
Do you honestly believe that will solve any of the issues you're upset about or will it just create further discord?



I am curious though, exactly how was "everything" censored/rigged, in your opinion?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Anyone who expects an honest election going forward, is a fool. TIME TO BECOME UNGOVERNABLE!

So why is Trump running again if he's inevitably going to lose through cheating?

 

[Ace Nova]

DeSantis is banning books. He is banning ideas. He is banning diversity programs. All you are spouting are right wing talking points. What are controversial subjects? The fact that there was segregation in the US. There was slavery in the US. That is racism and you cannot pretend it is not.

DeSantis is not a conservative, he is a far right wing fascist. Being woke is not a dirty word. Pretending that racism does not exist is racism. The GOP is living proof of that.

If DeSantis were to ban teaching about segregation and slavery, I would tend to agree with you. But he didn't.

Myth: Florida schools have been directed to “empty libraries” and “cover classroom books.” Fact: School districts are required to report the number of books removed from schools based on legislation passed in 2022. Of the 23 districts that reported removing materials, the most removed were tied at 19 in Duval and St. Johns Counties — not even close to a whole classroom library. Of the 175 books removed across the state, 164 (94%) were removed from media centers, and 153 (87%) were identified as pornographic, violent, or inappropriate for their grade level. Myth: Florida is banning children’s books about Hank Aaron and Roberto Clemente. Fact: Books found by parents in Florida schools: Gender Queer: A Memoir – an explicit, pornographic book showing sex acts. Flamer – a graphic book about young boys performing sexual acts at a summer camp. This Book Is Gay – a book containing instructions on “the ins and outs of gay sex.” Let’s Talk About It – a book that contains graphic depictions about how to masturbate for males and females. Myth: Florida has banned the instruction of African American History, including the discussion of slavery and the aftermath of slavery. Fact: Under Governor DeSantis, instruction on African American History has only expanded. The Governor has signed legislation that ensures that Florida’s students learn about the 1920 Ocoee Election Day Riots in addition to requiring instruction on slavery, the Civil War, and Jim Crow laws. Additionally, the following is required instruction on the history of African Americans in Florida statute: The history of African peoples before the political conflicts that led to the development of slavery The passage to America The enslavement experience Abolition The history and contributions of Americans of the African diaspora to society HB 7, signed in 2022, further expanded instruction of African American History to develop students’ understanding of the ramifications of prejudice and racism. Myth: Florida teachers could be committing a 3rd-degree felony by having books on “certain topics” within their classrooms. Fact: Florida has taken a stand against pornography and sexual material in the classroom. HB 1557 and HB 1467 further solidify Florida’s commitment to ensuring that content available in our schools is appropriate for students. Statute 847.012 has been in law for many years and carries a felony penalty for the distribution of pornographic material to children.

Following the 2022 Legislative Session, Governor DeSantis signed House Bill (HB) 7, to protect students from woke indoctrination in schools. The bill requires instruction, instructional materials, and professional development in public schools to adhere to principles of individual freedom including that no person is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive just by virtue of his or her race or sex and meritocracy or hard work ethic are not racist but fundamental to the right to pursue success. HB 7 also expanded instruction of African American History to develop students’ understanding of the ramifications of prejudice and racism. Classroom instruction must educate students on what it means to be a respectful and responsible citizen and encourage tolerance of diversity to protect democratic principles that our country is founded on. Schools are required to teach factual information on topics including African American History and the Holocaust instead of subjective indoctrination that pushes collective guilt. Governor DeSantis also signed HB 1557, Parental Rights in Education, which reinforced parents’ fundamental rights to make decisions regarding the upbringing of their children. The bill prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through 3rd grade and prohibits instruction that is not age appropriate for students

 

[Dadoalex]

I am 100% politically non-partisan/independent/moderate.

From what I see, most people on the left would prefer Trump vs Biden 2.0 in the general election over DeSantis vs Biden.

Why?

-Biden has already beaten Trump once in the general election and has the support among most moderates to beat him again. The general election is no longer about "who has the strongest, most radical followers" - it's about who is more appealing to MODERATES. Moderates/Independents decide who wins the general election in almost all elections.

- Trump has done a great job rallying his followers but not so good of a job rallying moderates.

-Biden, on the other hand, has remained relatively low-key but hasn't done anything major to lose the support of most moderates - at least nothing grave enough to turn them into Trump voters.

- DeSantis has come across as being very appealing to most moderates on the right - he's a level headed, well spoken, polished conservative who is also a highly educated military veteran. He checks off most boxes for the vast majority of moderate conservatives. Any other year (or time) he would be the hands on favorite. The only thing slowing him down is the loyalty of Trump supporters to Trump.

Thoughts?

WRONG!!!

Rhonda gets the nomination
Trump runs as third party
Biden wins in a landslide and brings home 300 house and 60 Senate seats.