Arrests Happening for Church Rioters

[AzogtheDefiler]

One, that's not a federal charge and they're being prosecuted by the federal government.

Two, the protestors were loud and noisy, but they weren't violent. It's absolutely absurd that it could be used against them.

You don’t have to be violent to be threatening. Kids were shaking and crying and they followed them to their cars. Additional charges are 100% coming. What’s funny is I answered you and you didn’t answer me.

 

[hadit]

Are you listening to yourself? What is happening in Minny is ridiculous. Interfering with law enforcement is a crime. It’s also an unwise decision. People only have so much patience for leftards.

When LE surrounds my car and points guns at me, the smart thing to do is?

1. Exactly what they tell me to do.
-or-
2. Try to drive away, hoping you don't hit one of them.

It sounds an awful lot like some people are going with option number two.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Absolutely he did. He believes that you can obstruct and protest inside an abortion clinic. He believes they shouldn't be prosecuted. His DoJ adopted a policy that makes this belief official.

Trump pardons anti-abortion protesters convicted of blocking clinics, harassing patients

The protesters had been charged under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, which was signed into law in 1994.

pennsylvaniaindependent.com

The activists had been charged under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act. “They should not have been prosecuted,” Trump said during the pardon signing. “This is a great honor to sign this.”

They were outside the clinic not inside. The didn’t threaten little kids. And I still don’t think they should have been there.

You won’t condemn the Minny church rioters. You’re a coward.

 

[GMCGeneral]

First amendment rights do not include storming a church.

Also violates Federal FACE law. So there's that.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

When LE surrounds my car and points guns at me, the smart thing to do is?

1. Exactly what they tell me to do.
-or-
2. Try to drive away, hoping you don't hit one of them.

It sounds an awful lot like some people are going with option number two.

Then it’s their bad decision

 

[Marener]

You don’t have to be violent to be threatening. Kids were shaking and crying and they followed them to their cars. Additional charges are 100% coming. What’s funny is I answered you and you didn’t answer me.

Did they say anything threatening to the kids? Sounds like you really are trying to find some way to criminalize speech.

 

[struth]

One, that's not a federal charge and they're being prosecuted by the federal government.

Two, the protestors were loud and noisy, but they weren't violent. It's absolutely absurd that it could be used against them.

The law doesn't require them to be violent. Try again dembot.

The law they are being charged with his a federal crime.

Try again dembot

 

[j-mac]

Absolutely he did. He believes that you can obstruct and protest inside an abortion clinic. He believes they shouldn't be prosecuted. His DoJ adopted a policy that makes this belief official.

Trump pardons anti-abortion protesters convicted of blocking clinics, harassing patients

The protesters had been charged under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, which was signed into law in 1994.

pennsylvaniaindependent.com

The activists had been charged under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act. “They should not have been prosecuted,” Trump said during the pardon signing. “This is a great honor to sign this.”

You are misrepresenting why they were arrested in the first place here....Earlier when talking about Vaughn, you had to concede that they arrested Vaughn for blocking the entrance to the clinic, NOW you used the word INSIDE....You're just a pathetic liar dude....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Did they say anything threatening to the kids? Sounds like you really are trying to find some way to criminalize speech.

Yes. In fact they did. Why won’t you answer my questions? It’s funny how much of a ***** you are. Want to keep going and keep losing? Lmk

 

[j-mac]

Did they say anything threatening to the kids? Sounds like you really are trying to find some way to criminalize speech.

What is it that you don't understand about not only private property, but the FACT that places like Church's are protected places by federal law...?

No one is "criminalizing speech". They could have stood outside on public property all they wanted and chanted, and held signs as the Church let out. But, the moment they encroached the threshold of the Church, they fucked up....

Problem is little snots like you are narcissistic pukes that think that the laws don't apply to them...You're wrong...

 

[Marener]

They were outside the clinic not inside. The didn’t threaten little kids. And I still don’t think they should have been there.

You won’t condemn the Minny church rioters. You’re a coward.

You need to do some research before posting lies.

For example, one of the 23 pardoned was this individual:
Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly of U.S. District Court in Washington sentenced the activist, Lauren Handy, 30, of Virginia, to 57 months in prison for her role in the blockade, officials said. Ms. Handy was one of several people convicted last year of civil rights conspiracy and of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act in connection with the blockade. That law makes it a crime to threaten, obstruct or injure a person seeking access to a reproductive health clinic or to damage clinic property.

Matthew Graves, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said in a statement on Tuesday that Ms. Handy and her co-defendants had “conspired to use force to prevent fellow citizens from exercising rights protected by law.”

“People cannot resort to using force and intimidation to prevent others from engaging in lawful activity simply because they disagree with the law,” he said.

Martin Cannon of the nonprofit Thomas More Society law firm, which represented Ms. Handy, said in a statement that she and her co-defendants had “conspired to be peaceful" and that the firm would “vigorously pursue an appeal of Ms. Handy’s conviction.”

Steve Crampton, also a lawyer for Ms. Handy, said in an interview on Tuesday that his client had been sentenced “for engaging in what Lauren vowed to make a nonviolent, peaceful demonstration against abortion.”

“Just seems entirely out of the realm of possibility in our nation,” he said.

Ms. Handy, who directed the invasion and blockade of the Washington Surgi-clinic on Oct. 22, 2020, arrived for an appointment she had made at the clinic under a false name, prosecutors said. That was when she and her co-defendants pushed their way into the waiting room and blocked its doors with their bodies, furniture, chains and ropes.

Prosecutors said the blockade had prevented two patients from entering the treatment area, including one who was “experiencing labor pains and in need of immediate medical attention.”

That patient had to lie on a hallway floor outside the clinic “because the co-defendants refused to allow her and her husband to enter,” prosecutors said. The other patient, they said, “was forced to climb onto a chair and through a receptionist window in the waiting room” to enter the treatment area.

The blockade, which was livestreamed on Facebook, also left a nurse with a sprained ankle, prosecutors said.

In a sentencing memo, prosecutors asked the judge to sentence Ms. Handy to 63 to 78 months in prison, noting that her “conduct showed a flagrant disregard for women’s reproductive health rights, and the lack of concern for patients.”

Ms. Handy’s lawyers had requested a 12-month sentence for their client, noting in their statement that it “effectively amounts to time served.”

Prosecutors said that “despite a history of arrests and local prosecutions for participating in clinic invasions throughout the country,” Ms. Handy had not been “deterred from violating federal laws” and that she “not only capitalized on her victimization of vulnerable victims, but she also promoted and publicized her crimes.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/14/us/anti-abortion-activist-sentenced.html

Your statement that they were "outside" could be technically correct in other circumstances, however they were blocking the doors from outside the clinic which is a violation of the law because it denies them the opportunity to seek care. It would be just as illegal if protestors blocked all the entrances to the church in order to deny them the ability to get in. However, this administration would prosecute people blocking a church but it would not prosecute people blocking an abortion clinic.

 

[hadit]

Did they say anything threatening to the kids? Sounds like you really are trying to find some way to criminalize speech.

Society has decided that restrictions on making kids fear for their lives is an acceptable invasion of the First Amendment. The protesters should be grateful that none of the churchgoers decided enough was enough and started swinging when the kids got scared. In the south, southern moms wouldn't put up with that nonsense.

 

[Marener]

What is it that you don't understand about not only private property, but the FACT that places like Church's are protected places by federal law...?

No one is "criminalizing speech". They could have stood outside on public property all they wanted and chanted, and held signs as the Church let out. But, the moment they encroached the threshold of the Church, they fucked up....

Problem is little snots like you are narcissistic pukes that think that the laws don't apply to them...You're wrong...

Again, I think trespassing is perfectly legitimate offense.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Did they say anything threatening to the kids? Sounds like you really are trying to find some way to criminalize speech.

Violent threats isn’t free speech. You not only don’t condemn what they did. You support it. Eye opening. This is why I enjoy making you look stupid.

 

[hadit]

What is it that you don't understand about not only private property, but the FACT that places like Church's are protected places by federal law...?

No one is "criminalizing speech". They could have stood outside on public property all they wanted and chanted, and held signs as the Church let out. But, the moment they encroached the threshold of the Church, they fucked up....

Problem is little snots like you are narcissistic pukes that think that the laws don't apply to them...You're wrong...

They are contorting themselves trying to get around the law they championed as long as it only applied to abortion clinics.

 

[OldFlame]

I'm on the fence. . the thought had crossed my mind.

If Don Lemon does not suffer any consequences, or consequences significantly less than the others, yeah, it is manufactured and Lemon is still in the deep state.

You say Trump is the deep state, so why would you even be on the fence? I thought it was all 'made up' theater, nothing is real?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You need to do some research before posting lies.

For example, one of the 23 pardoned was this individual:
Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly of U.S. District Court in Washington sentenced the activist, Lauren Handy, 30, of Virginia, to 57 months in prison for her role in the blockade, officials said. Ms. Handy was one of several people convicted last year of civil rights conspiracy and of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act in connection with the blockade. That law makes it a crime to threaten, obstruct or injure a person seeking access to a reproductive health clinic or to damage clinic property.

Matthew Graves, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said in a statement on Tuesday that Ms. Handy and her co-defendants had “conspired to use force to prevent fellow citizens from exercising rights protected by law.”

“People cannot resort to using force and intimidation to prevent others from engaging in lawful activity simply because they disagree with the law,” he said.

Martin Cannon of the nonprofit Thomas More Society law firm, which represented Ms. Handy, said in a statement that she and her co-defendants had “conspired to be peaceful" and that the firm would “vigorously pursue an appeal of Ms. Handy’s conviction.”

Steve Crampton, also a lawyer for Ms. Handy, said in an interview on Tuesday that his client had been sentenced “for engaging in what Lauren vowed to make a nonviolent, peaceful demonstration against abortion.”

“Just seems entirely out of the realm of possibility in our nation,” he said.

Ms. Handy, who directed the invasion and blockade of the Washington Surgi-clinic on Oct. 22, 2020, arrived for an appointment she had made at the clinic under a false name, prosecutors said. That was when she and her co-defendants pushed their way into the waiting room and blocked its doors with their bodies, furniture, chains and ropes.

Prosecutors said the blockade had prevented two patients from entering the treatment area, including one who was “experiencing labor pains and in need of immediate medical attention.”

That patient had to lie on a hallway floor outside the clinic “because the co-defendants refused to allow her and her husband to enter,” prosecutors said. The other patient, they said, “was forced to climb onto a chair and through a receptionist window in the waiting room” to enter the treatment area.

The blockade, which was livestreamed on Facebook, also left a nurse with a sprained ankle, prosecutors said.

In a sentencing memo, prosecutors asked the judge to sentence Ms. Handy to 63 to 78 months in prison, noting that her “conduct showed a flagrant disregard for women’s reproductive health rights, and the lack of concern for patients.”

Ms. Handy’s lawyers had requested a 12-month sentence for their client, noting in their statement that it “effectively amounts to time served.”

Prosecutors said that “despite a history of arrests and local prosecutions for participating in clinic invasions throughout the country,” Ms. Handy had not been “deterred from violating federal laws” and that she “not only capitalized on her victimization of vulnerable victims, but she also promoted and publicized her crimes.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/14/us/anti-abortion-activist-sentenced.html

Your statement that they were "outside" could be technically correct in other circumstances, however they were blocking the doors from outside the clinic which is a violation of the law because it denies them the opportunity to seek care. It would be just as illegal if protestors blocked all the entrances to the church in order to deny them the ability to get in. However, this administration would prosecute people blocking a church but it would not prosecute people blocking an abortion clinic.

Did you read what you posted. You confirmed what I said. It’s hilarious. You lost another debate

 

[j-mac]

Again, I think trespassing is perfectly legitimate offense.

The problem is, the law doesn't care what YOU think the charges should be....Like I said, narcissistic pukes.

 

[hadit]

Violent threats isn’t free speech. You not only don’t condemn what they did. You support it. Eye opening. This is why I enjoy making you look stupid.

In all seriousness, they should be very grateful none of the churchgoer's thought violence was in order to protect their kids.

 

[j-mac]

In all seriousness, they should be very grateful none of the churchgoer's thought violence was in order to protect their kids.

That's why they picked a Church....Because like all terrorists, they thought it was a safe place to terrorize....

These people in RL are really pussies....