Army dad not allowed to visit daughter's school in uniform

[KGB]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

 

[Theowl32]

I'm still trying to figure out why someone thought the sight of a solider in their uniform would offend or upset someone?

Well, I am going to name a few reasons.

Muslim students
Uniform means war and that offends all liberals.
There is an immediate association with icky guns.
Being the father is white, wearing an Army uniform..well libs go ape shit.

Actual reasons they thought it would offend someone.

Liberals are deranged American hating, commie, politically correct pissants who are brainwashing our children in this country. Which is why our country is on the clock right now. When capitalism is destroyed after the bubble bursts on wall street, the morons on the left will be cheering. Anyway, got away from it a little bit. The reason someone would be offended by an Army uniform is right there. The only ones offended by such things are deranged American hating moronic liberals,

 

[ogibillm]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

 

[Tresha91203]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

Then PC has hit your area bigtime. All my life servicemen have been in uniform on days they are on duty. All my life, I've seen them in stores, airports, the post office, driving down main street in their camo vehicles on the way to/from the armory, etc. All my life (and to this day around here), servicemen didn't have to buy a suit and tie because their dress uniform IS a dress suit, so worn out to dinner, functions, church, weddings, TV appearances, etc. We've generally stopped and said thank you when we encounter them or at least smiled, waved and mouthed thank you as they pass.

Now, apparently, they need to change clothes to run errands because they should be ashamed of themselves for serving? This mentality honestly makes me sick. The US has gone through the looking glass ... so sad.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Libs have to wait until it's on the "news" (Colbert, Maher and Jon Stewart)

 

[longknife]

Well having ignored the majority of stupid, childish posts, I can only say that the principal got "severely scolded" for the policy and any rules denying military personnel for being there in uniform have been removed.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So a school security guard overstepped his authority and turned away a man in uniform.

Should we fire him?

Yes

 

[Ravi]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

Then PC has hit your area bigtime. All my life servicemen have been in uniform on days they are on duty. All my life, I've seen them in stores, airports, the post office, driving down main street in their camo vehicles on the way to/from the armory, etc. All my life (and to this day around here), servicemen didn't have to buy a suit and tie because their dress uniform IS a dress suit, so worn out to dinner, functions, church, weddings, TV appearances, etc. We've generally stopped and said thank you when we encounter them or at least smiled, waved and mouthed thank you as they pass.

Now, apparently, they need to change clothes to run errands because they should be ashamed of themselves for serving? This mentality honestly makes me sick. The US has gone through the looking glass ... so sad.

Sounds to me that they can only wear them on active duty, except for a few exceptions.

Being at your kid's school isn't on active duty.

Wearing Military Uniforms

 

[Tresha91203]

Sounds to me that they can only wear them on active duty, except for a few exceptions.

Being at your kid's school isn't on active duty.

Wearing Military Uniforms

Did I miss something? That link says non-servicemen. It says

Specifically, 10 USC, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 45, Sections 771 and 772.

Section 771 states:

Except as otherwise provided by law, no person except a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, as the case may be, may wear -

That link indicates retired and honorably discharged may even wear theirs.

Edited to try to fix quote. Was trying to avoid long nested quotes but I think I took too much out and not sure how to remedy. Apologies if this fails.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

Then PC has hit your area bigtime. All my life servicemen have been in uniform on days they are on duty. All my life, I've seen them in stores, airports, the post office, driving down main street in their camo vehicles on the way to/from the armory, etc. All my life (and to this day around here), servicemen didn't have to buy a suit and tie because their dress uniform IS a dress suit, so worn out to dinner, functions, church, weddings, TV appearances, etc. We've generally stopped and said thank you when we encounter them or at least smiled, waved and mouthed thank you as they pass.

Now, apparently, they need to change clothes to run errands because they should be ashamed of themselves for serving? This mentality honestly makes me sick. The US has gone through the looking glass ... so sad.

Sounds to me that they can only wear them on active duty, except for a few exceptions.

Being at your kid's school isn't on active duty.

Wearing Military Uniforms

That is correct, but you don't know WHY he was wearing the uniform.

The why is key here.


Actually, what is key here is that the school reversed its policy.

 

[ogibillm]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

Then PC has hit your area bigtime. All my life servicemen have been in uniform on days they are on duty. All my life, I've seen them in stores, airports, the post office, driving down main street in their camo vehicles on the way to/from the armory, etc. All my life (and to this day around here), servicemen didn't have to buy a suit and tie because their dress uniform IS a dress suit, so worn out to dinner, functions, church, weddings, TV appearances, etc. We've generally stopped and said thank you when we encounter them or at least smiled, waved and mouthed thank you as they pass.

Now, apparently, they need to change clothes to run errands because they should be ashamed of themselves for serving? This mentality honestly makes me sick. The US has gone through the looking glass ... so sad.

it has nothing to do with shame and everything to do with not drawing attention to oneself.

 

[KGB]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

I see guard guys in uniform all the time around here where I'm at. As a reservist on orders, I wear my uniform every single day & I do not change out of it until I get home. If he's AGR, him wearing his uniform both on/off base is entirely appropriate.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

Then PC has hit your area bigtime. All my life servicemen have been in uniform on days they are on duty. All my life, I've seen them in stores, airports, the post office, driving down main street in their camo vehicles on the way to/from the armory, etc. All my life (and to this day around here), servicemen didn't have to buy a suit and tie because their dress uniform IS a dress suit, so worn out to dinner, functions, church, weddings, TV appearances, etc. We've generally stopped and said thank you when we encounter them or at least smiled, waved and mouthed thank you as they pass.

Now, apparently, they need to change clothes to run errands because they should be ashamed of themselves for serving? This mentality honestly makes me sick. The US has gone through the looking glass ... so sad.

it has nothing to do with shame and everything to do with not drawing attention to oneself.

Pardon me?

On what basis would a school ban parents who "draw attention the themselves?" I mean seriously

 

[ogibillm]

it has nothing to do with shame and everything to do with not drawing attention to oneself.

Pardon me?

On what basis would a school ban parents who "draw attention the themselves?" I mean seriously

i didn't say that. i said that my experience has been that those that wear their uniforms every day typically change out of them when they do things like go to the grocery store, visit the doctor, or whatever other errand they need to run because they don't want to draw attention to themselves.

 

[KGB]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

Then PC has hit your area bigtime. All my life servicemen have been in uniform on days they are on duty. All my life, I've seen them in stores, airports, the post office, driving down main street in their camo vehicles on the way to/from the armory, etc. All my life (and to this day around here), servicemen didn't have to buy a suit and tie because their dress uniform IS a dress suit, so worn out to dinner, functions, church, weddings, TV appearances, etc. We've generally stopped and said thank you when we encounter them or at least smiled, waved and mouthed thank you as they pass.

Now, apparently, they need to change clothes to run errands because they should be ashamed of themselves for serving? This mentality honestly makes me sick. The US has gone through the looking glass ... so sad.

Sounds to me that they can only wear them on active duty, except for a few exceptions.

Being at your kid's school isn't on active duty.

Wearing Military Uniforms

alright, here's how this really works. Each service has its own policies, but Air Force & Army are largely the same. Unless told otherwise, you are authorized to wear your uniform to/from work. You are also authorized to wear your uniform to a public place as long as it is not on the banned list (usually those places are a result of selling a prohibited substance or questionable/unethical business practices) such as a school or to the store. You can't be in uniform at a political event or some event that would discredit the armed forces. This guy going to his daughter's school in uniform is no big deal assuming that he is AGR & was doing so as part of his daily errands. There is nothing in the regs to prohibit it. The school guard acted stupidly for which he is hopefully corrected.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

it has nothing to do with shame and everything to do with not drawing attention to oneself.

Pardon me?

On what basis would a school ban parents who "draw attention the themselves?" I mean seriously

i didn't say that. i said that my experience has been that those that wear their uniforms every day typically change out of them when they do things like go to the grocery store, visit the doctor, or whatever other errand they need to run because they don't want to draw attention to themselves.

That doesn't even make sense.

Especially if this guy worked at a nearby armory as you suggest and had to run to the school for a meeting in the middle of his shift.

I went off base in my uniform ALL the time, not to draw attention to myself, but for convenience , who has time to change into civvies , run their errands, and then change back into their uniform to return to work?

And besides an attention whore would have shown up in his dress uniform with full salad bar on display.

 

[KGB]

it has nothing to do with shame and everything to do with not drawing attention to oneself.

Pardon me?

On what basis would a school ban parents who "draw attention the themselves?" I mean seriously

i didn't say that. i said that my experience has been that those that wear their uniforms every day typically change out of them when they do things like go to the grocery store, visit the doctor, or whatever other errand they need to run because they don't want to draw attention to themselves.

no they don't unless they were told not to.

 

[KGB]

it has nothing to do with shame and everything to do with not drawing attention to oneself.

Pardon me?

On what basis would a school ban parents who "draw attention the themselves?" I mean seriously

i didn't say that. i said that my experience has been that those that wear their uniforms every day typically change out of them when they do things like go to the grocery store, visit the doctor, or whatever other errand they need to run because they don't want to draw attention to themselves.

That doesn't even make sense.

Especially if this guy worked at a nearby armory as you suggest and had to run to the school for a meeting in the middle of his shift.

I went off base in my uniform ALL the time, not to draw attention to myself, but for convenience , who has time to change into civvies , run their errands, and then change back into their uniform to return to work?

And besides an attention whore would have shown up in his dress uniform with full salad bar on display.

exactly.

 

[ogibillm]

i guess my question would be 'why?'
why is he going to the school in uniform to begin with?

Do you have a problem with that?

i just find it odd. judging by the picture I'm assuming he works for the guard, probably out of an armory in the same town as the school. perhaps he was there over lunch, that certainly seems possible, and since he'd be returning to work the uniform was still necessary.
but if that wasn't the case why would he choose to wear his uniform?

If he's guard or reserve, perhaps he's on drill or doing his annual tour. He might also be active duty & head up a recruiting station or teach ROTC. There's a thousand different possibilities but it doesn't matter. The security guard is a mental midget for refusing entry to the LTC...

nobody is doing at this september, the national guard bureau ran out of money. a lot of units aren't even drilling.
again, his picture in front of the guard seal with his family leaves me to believe he is a guard soldier, likely working full time for the guard, and that he likely works out of an armory in the area.
regardless, going to the school in uniform for what i can only assume had to be a scheduled meeting with the counselor runs counter to the behavior of those that i know.

Then PC has hit your area bigtime. All my life servicemen have been in uniform on days they are on duty. All my life, I've seen them in stores, airports, the post office, driving down main street in their camo vehicles on the way to/from the armory, etc. All my life (and to this day around here), servicemen didn't have to buy a suit and tie because their dress uniform IS a dress suit, so worn out to dinner, functions, church, weddings, TV appearances, etc. We've generally stopped and said thank you when we encounter them or at least smiled, waved and mouthed thank you as they pass.

Now, apparently, they need to change clothes to run errands because they should be ashamed of themselves for serving? This mentality honestly makes me sick. The US has gone through the looking glass ... so sad.

Sounds to me that they can only wear them on active duty, except for a few exceptions.

Being at your kid's school isn't on active duty.

Wearing Military Uniforms

alright, here's how this really works. Each service has its own policies, but Air Force & Army are largely the same. Unless told otherwise, you are authorized to wear your uniform to/from work. You are also authorized to wear your uniform to a public place as long as it is not on the banned list (usually those places are a result of selling a prohibited substance or questionable/unethical business practices) such as a school or to the store. You can't be in uniform at a political event or some event that would discredit the armed forces. This guy going to his daughter's school in uniform is no big deal assuming that he is AGR & was doing so as part of his daily errands. There is nothing in the regs to prohibit it. The school guard acted stupidly for which he is hopefully corrected.

just an fyi, he doesn't have to be agr. he could be a technician.

 

[ogibillm]

it has nothing to do with shame and everything to do with not drawing attention to oneself.

Pardon me?

On what basis would a school ban parents who "draw attention the themselves?" I mean seriously

i didn't say that. i said that my experience has been that those that wear their uniforms every day typically change out of them when they do things like go to the grocery store, visit the doctor, or whatever other errand they need to run because they don't want to draw attention to themselves.

That doesn't even make sense.

Especially if this guy worked at a nearby armory as you suggest and had to run to the school for a meeting in the middle of his shift.

I went off base in my uniform ALL the time, not to draw attention to myself, but for convenience , who has time to change into civvies , run their errands, and then change back into their uniform to return to work?

And besides an attention whore would have shown up in his dress uniform with full salad bar on display.

and again, i'm not saying that he would choose to wear his uniform in order to draw attention to himself, just that people i know choose not to wear it when they don't have to in order to avoid drawing attention.
hell, i wouldn't even be questioning it if they hadn't gone to the media.