Arming people in movie theaters

[rightwinger]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

The gun free zones don't seem to be working well, either. How do you explain that failure?

Do roads have accident free zones?

No, they have speed limits and rules and regulations. Those rules help make accidents less likely, they do not mean there can be no accidents

 

[Brain357]

Tell this woman and her family she was shot in the theater because guns make us safer.

13 million people carry guns for self defense....this guy was not legally carrying that gun...so he isn't even in that 13 million.

Guns are used 1.5 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....

Guns are used by violent criminals 8,124 times a year in an illegal act to commit murder.......

So, 1.5 million defensive uses vs. 8,124 times to commit murder, the majority of which are criminals shooting other criminals....

you are wrong.

"""Guns are used 1.5 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack"

Prove that or STFU. Or else go Kleck and Gertz yourself. Those footnotes to these so-called facts are based on the authors' books, and the studies they site were no doubt funded by the NRA.

What a fucking joke: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives | Section 8: Arm Yourself With The Facts | Just For Skeptics

Twit...the 1.5 is from a study created for bill clinton through his Department of Justice by two rabidly anti gun researchers...moron......and obama had his CDC study all available data on guns in 2013...spent 10 million dollars doing it....I will also link to that study........

Here you go twit.....tell me which ones of these studies was funded by the NRA...twit.

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. http://www.springerlink.com/content/rngn3274255v6j67/

-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************

If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

The NCVS is by far the largest and estimates 108k.

And so defeated at every turn, as the actual, real world shows you are wrong you resort to lying......a very childlike behavior...

the National Crime Victimization Survey is the least accurate measure of even the crime it is supposed to be measuring.....it is not a gun self defense study....and does not even directly ask about gun use anywhere in the survey......

Only a child would think not asking about a topic is the best way to find out about that topic....

Yes it is a crime study. And you need a crime to have a lawful dgu, unless you are kleck I guess. It is also a huge study compared to all the gun studies. The gun studies are simply tiny and hence not accurate.

 

[Brain357]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

Really...that is a bunch of crap.....there were over 320 million guns in private hands in2013 and a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.


there were 8,124 intentional gun murders....using guns illegally mainly by career, violent criminals.....

Normal gun owners, 11.1 million carrying guns in 2013.... And the hose normal gun owners used their guns 1.5 million times to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...


Not one, real world statistic supports anything you say, or anything you propose to allegedly deal with the criminal gun violence we have.....

Not one statistic.....you are wrong.

Your dgu numbers are not real world. They are from really old studies that surveyed a small handful of people and extrapolated the numbers. Your 1.5 doesn't not represent the real world, just bad math.

 

[Brain357]

So it's safe to assume that you are going to post a direct rebuttal to my statement and stop comparing apples to oranges...or not.

So it's safe to assume you think you make an actual statement?

It's safe to assume you were unable to comprehend it...

Incomprehensible jibberish on your part says nothing despite it making sense to you. Idiots think anything they say makes sense. That's why you're an idiot.

Still flying my flag and not a damn thing has been done about it.

First, you stupidly asserted that a man with his finger on the trigger prepared to shoot an innocent man and then assaulting that innocent man was a sane course of actions; you compound your stupidity by attempting and failing to rationalize his behavior.
Understandable because you obviously have less proper training than he did.
Second, you got on an internet message board and told a blatant lie, as I stated earlier, once you have to lie in order to prop up your uninformed opinion you have already lost the argument.

Just walk away from this loss and go get some training before you run your silly assed trap again.

again…..two different concealed carry gun owners were at the gabby gifford's shooting, both were ready to fire if it was needed and neither one did because they assessed the situation and realized it was not needed. The one concealed carry permit holder saw a man with a gun and did not fire, he was told this man was another good guy, so he took the responsible measure and disarmed him until his identity and intentions could be verified…..

And you, twit, say that these guys were irresponsible…..in the middle of the chaos of the mass shooting, you said that normal gun owners would not be able to act rationally or responsibly with guns……and in two instances in one mass shooting you are proven wrong……

YOu are a nut…..

And neither stopped the bad guy. The bad guy was stopped when he tried to reload. Great reason for mag limits.

 

[rightwinger]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

Really...that is a bunch of crap.....there were over 320 million guns in private hands in2013 and a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.


there were 8,124 intentional gun murders....using guns illegally mainly by career, violent criminals.....

Normal gun owners, 11.1 million carrying guns in 2013.... And the hose normal gun owners used their guns 1.5 million times to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...


Not one, real world statistic supports anything you say, or anything you propose to allegedly deal with the criminal gun violence we have.....

Not one statistic.....you are wrong.

Repeating the same fantasy repeatedly does not make it come true

 

[MikeK]

And neither stopped the bad guy. The bad guy was stopped when he tried to reload. Great reason for mag limits.

If you think a law prohibiting large-capacity magazines will solve a problem, have you ever heard of alcohol Prohibition or the War On Drugs? If so, what effect do think a ban on high-capacity firearm magazines will have?

Right now there are hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of legally purchased 30-round magazines for AK-47 and other semi-auto rifles in the hands of American gun-owners -- and don't ignore the potential for smuggled imports. These magazines cost around $20 when legally purchased. Impose a ban and the price rises to whatever the black market will bear. A psycho or a terrorist planning a mass-shooting won't hesitate to pay $100 for a 30-round mag.

Most gun laws are plainly stupid -- and there is no more appropriate word to describe them. They are as stupid as the drug laws. They are analogous to trying to jump-start a car you know is out of gas.

 

[Conservative65]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

Really...that is a bunch of crap.....there were over 320 million guns in private hands in2013 and a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.


there were 8,124 intentional gun murders....using guns illegally mainly by career, violent criminals.....

Normal gun owners, 11.1 million carrying guns in 2013.... And the hose normal gun owners used their guns 1.5 million times to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...


Not one, real world statistic supports anything you say, or anything you propose to allegedly deal with the criminal gun violence we have.....

Not one statistic.....you are wrong.

Repeating the same fantasy repeatedly does not make it come true

Repeatedly calling something a fantasy doesn't make it one.

 

[2aguy]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

Really...that is a bunch of crap.....there were over 320 million guns in private hands in2013 and a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.


there were 8,124 intentional gun murders....using guns illegally mainly by career, violent criminals.....

Normal gun owners, 11.1 million carrying guns in 2013.... And the hose normal gun owners used their guns 1.5 million times to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...


Not one, real world statistic supports anything you say, or anything you propose to allegedly deal with the criminal gun violence we have.....

Not one statistic.....you are wrong.

Repeating the same fantasy repeatedly does not make it come true

Then why do you anti gun loons keep repeating the same fantasies even after we show you that every point you make is wrong……that is how a child thinks, not an adult……

Those statistics, by the way come from the CDC, the FBI and other government reporting agencies……tell them it is a fantasy….

 

[G.T.]

I'm pro guns in movie theatres and an accident happening is not an argument levied against. There's no defensible argument against because I can get a plethora of deadly weapons in there that arent guns so - pandora's box.

 

[2aguy]

13 million people carry guns for self defense....this guy was not legally carrying that gun...so he isn't even in that 13 million.

Guns are used 1.5 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....

Guns are used by violent criminals 8,124 times a year in an illegal act to commit murder.......

So, 1.5 million defensive uses vs. 8,124 times to commit murder, the majority of which are criminals shooting other criminals....

you are wrong.

"""Guns are used 1.5 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack"

Prove that or STFU. Or else go Kleck and Gertz yourself. Those footnotes to these so-called facts are based on the authors' books, and the studies they site were no doubt funded by the NRA.

What a fucking joke: Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives | Section 8: Arm Yourself With The Facts | Just For Skeptics

Twit...the 1.5 is from a study created for bill clinton through his Department of Justice by two rabidly anti gun researchers...moron......and obama had his CDC study all available data on guns in 2013...spent 10 million dollars doing it....I will also link to that study........

Here you go twit.....tell me which ones of these studies was funded by the NRA...twit.

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. http://www.springerlink.com/content/rngn3274255v6j67/

-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************

If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

The NCVS is by far the largest and estimates 108k.

And so defeated at every turn, as the actual, real world shows you are wrong you resort to lying......a very childlike behavior...

the National Crime Victimization Survey is the least accurate measure of even the crime it is supposed to be measuring.....it is not a gun self defense study....and does not even directly ask about gun use anywhere in the survey......

Only a child would think not asking about a topic is the best way to find out about that topic....

Yes it is a crime study. And you need a crime to have a lawful dgu, unless you are kleck I guess. It is also a huge study compared to all the gun studies. The gun studies are simply tiny and hence not accurate.

Wrong brain….the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a defensive gun use survey……it never directly asks any questions about guns…at all…..and as was shown,they don't even accurately report the crimes they are supposed to actually study and directly ask about…..it is a crap study for its intended purpose and it is crap on guns because it isn't a gun study…..

It would be like trying to find out about American Orange Juice consumption and never asking one question about Orange Juice ….and then claiming it was the definitive study on Orange Juice….

You can't help it…..your child like belief system is hard wired into your brain…….so you can be forgiven for that…but please…let the adults try to fix this problem...

 

[2aguy]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

Really...that is a bunch of crap.....there were over 320 million guns in private hands in2013 and a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.


there were 8,124 intentional gun murders....using guns illegally mainly by career, violent criminals.....

Normal gun owners, 11.1 million carrying guns in 2013.... And the hose normal gun owners used their guns 1.5 million times to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...


Not one, real world statistic supports anything you say, or anything you propose to allegedly deal with the criminal gun violence we have.....

Not one statistic.....you are wrong.

Your dgu numbers are not real world. They are from really old studies that surveyed a small handful of people and extrapolated the numbers. Your 1.5 doesn't not represent the real world, just bad math.

Nope……they are from one study of many conducted over 40 years…..done at the request of an anti gun President, and conducted by anti gun researchers trying to refute Dr. Gary Kleck's research and the research of all the others…and they came up with 1.5 million defensive gun uses……….

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. http://www.springerlink.com/content/rngn3274255v6j67/

-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************

If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

So it's safe to assume you think you make an actual statement?

It's safe to assume you were unable to comprehend it...

Incomprehensible jibberish on your part says nothing despite it making sense to you. Idiots think anything they say makes sense. That's why you're an idiot.

Still flying my flag and not a damn thing has been done about it.

First, you stupidly asserted that a man with his finger on the trigger prepared to shoot an innocent man and then assaulting that innocent man was a sane course of actions; you compound your stupidity by attempting and failing to rationalize his behavior.
Understandable because you obviously have less proper training than he did.
Second, you got on an internet message board and told a blatant lie, as I stated earlier, once you have to lie in order to prop up your uninformed opinion you have already lost the argument.

Just walk away from this loss and go get some training before you run your silly assed trap again.

again…..two different concealed carry gun owners were at the gabby gifford's shooting, both were ready to fire if it was needed and neither one did because they assessed the situation and realized it was not needed. The one concealed carry permit holder saw a man with a gun and did not fire, he was told this man was another good guy, so he took the responsible measure and disarmed him until his identity and intentions could be verified…..

And you, twit, say that these guys were irresponsible…..in the middle of the chaos of the mass shooting, you said that normal gun owners would not be able to act rationally or responsibly with guns……and in two instances in one mass shooting you are proven wrong……

YOu are a nut…..

And neither stopped the bad guy. The bad guy was stopped when he tried to reload. Great reason for mag limits.

Brain…you are lying again…..I have posted the events, you know the events and now you are lying about the events….the guy was stopped because he shot a guy in the head. He thought he killed the guy, but actually only grazed the guy….so the shooter moved up and close to the guy he thought was dead, instead of keeping his distance, then the guy who was shot jumped up and tackled him…….

When he fell, he fell right in front of another woman…a woman who decided to lay down in the hope the shooter wouldn't notice her…..when the guy fell he was trying to reload, and she just reached out and grabbed the magazine….

What stopped the gabby giffords shooter was two cases of dumb luck…..

If he had actually shot the guy in the head and killed him, he would have been able to go on killing, and the woman did not rush him, did not confront him….he fell right in front of her so close she just reached out and grabbed the magazine….

Pure dumb luck…..


Since you think like a child, only a child would embrace pure dumb luck as a survival strategy……..

and the two concealed carriers were ready to deal with him if his luck hadn't been so bad...

 

[2aguy]

So it's safe to assume you think you make an actual statement?

It's safe to assume you were unable to comprehend it...

Incomprehensible jibberish on your part says nothing despite it making sense to you. Idiots think anything they say makes sense. That's why you're an idiot.

Still flying my flag and not a damn thing has been done about it.

First, you stupidly asserted that a man with his finger on the trigger prepared to shoot an innocent man and then assaulting that innocent man was a sane course of actions; you compound your stupidity by attempting and failing to rationalize his behavior.
Understandable because you obviously have less proper training than he did.
Second, you got on an internet message board and told a blatant lie, as I stated earlier, once you have to lie in order to prop up your uninformed opinion you have already lost the argument.

Just walk away from this loss and go get some training before you run your silly assed trap again.

again…..two different concealed carry gun owners were at the gabby gifford's shooting, both were ready to fire if it was needed and neither one did because they assessed the situation and realized it was not needed. The one concealed carry permit holder saw a man with a gun and did not fire, he was told this man was another good guy, so he took the responsible measure and disarmed him until his identity and intentions could be verified…..

And you, twit, say that these guys were irresponsible…..in the middle of the chaos of the mass shooting, you said that normal gun owners would not be able to act rationally or responsibly with guns……and in two instances in one mass shooting you are proven wrong……

YOu are a nut…..

And neither stopped the bad guy. The bad guy was stopped when he tried to reload. Great reason for mag limits.

Magazine limits do nothing…..if you actually study the issue…instead of talking out of your ass……the police and other investigators tell us that these guys shoot very calmly…since they do not have to worry about others shooting back, they reload without problems and the reload time is so little there is no way anyone can rush them….

it didn't happen at Sandy Hook, it didn't happen on the Long Island train shooting and it didn't happen at the Gabby Giffords shooting…..

 

[2aguy]

And neither stopped the bad guy. The bad guy was stopped when he tried to reload. Great reason for mag limits.

If you think a law prohibiting large-capacity magazines will solve a problem, have you ever heard of alcohol Prohibition or the War On Drugs? If so, what effect do think a ban on high-capacity firearm magazines will have?

Right now there are hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of legally purchased 30-round magazines for AK-47 and other semi-auto rifles in the hands of American gun-owners -- and don't ignore the potential for smuggled imports. These magazines cost around $20 when legally purchased. Impose a ban and the price rises to whatever the black market will bear. A psycho or a terrorist planning a mass-shooting won't hesitate to pay $100 for a 30-round mag.

Most gun laws are plainly stupid -- and there is no more appropriate word to describe them. They are as stupid as the drug laws. They are analogous to trying to jump-start a car you know is out of gas.

They want to ban magazines as a way to ban certain models of gun….that is the only reason….they lie when they say they want to do it to limit an attacker…since none of the research done on mass shootings or crime back up anything they say on the issue………

It is just one more way to get rid of the guns they hate…..

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

The gun free zones don't seem to be working well, either. How do you explain that failure?

Do roads have accident free zones?

No, they have speed limits and rules and regulations. Those rules help make accidents less likely, they do not mean there can be no accidents

How well have fun free zone regulations worked. Go ahead, tell us.

 

[rightwinger]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

Really...that is a bunch of crap.....there were over 320 million guns in private hands in2013 and a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.


there were 8,124 intentional gun murders....using guns illegally mainly by career, violent criminals.....

Normal gun owners, 11.1 million carrying guns in 2013.... And the hose normal gun owners used their guns 1.5 million times to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...


Not one, real world statistic supports anything you say, or anything you propose to allegedly deal with the criminal gun violence we have.....

Not one statistic.....you are wrong.

Repeating the same fantasy repeatedly does not make it come true

Repeatedly calling something a fantasy doesn't make it one.

Tell us again about the million murders you prevented last year

 

[rightwinger]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

The gun free zones don't seem to be working well, either. How do you explain that failure?

Do roads have accident free zones?

No, they have speed limits and rules and regulations. Those rules help make accidents less likely, they do not mean there can be no accidents

How well have fun free zone regulations worked. Go ahead, tell us.

No idea what you are babbling about...no idea what a fun free zone is

 

[couch protester]

[/QUOTE]
We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe[/QUOTE]

We have about the same amount of automobiles as well, but they don't do a good job keeping us safe either, so what's your point again criminal illegal gun defender?

If law abiding citizens relinquished their firearms, what do you think would occur when criminals didn't turn their illegal weapons over? More innocent blood would be on your hands because the criminals whom you defend and not the kids, makes you a murderer. Liberals love to purge with anarchy to balance the scales of life and death.

 

[MikeK]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

Safe from what or whom?

 

[rightwinger]

Show me an example where an armed woman stopped a mass killing

Otherwise, we are talking NRA fantasies

In relative terms there are not that many mass killings, nor is there a proportionate number of armed women -- or armed citizens in the general sense for that matter.

We have 300 million guns out there

They do not seem to be doing that good a job of keeping us safe

Safe from what or whom?

We have the highest murder rate in the industrialized world

Our guns do not keep us safe