Armenian Genocide

[ekrem]

Armenian massacres on Azerbaycan-Turks

http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/default_en.asp?belgeno=3347

 

[ekrem]

Turkish Diplomats killed by Armenian Terrorits.


http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/default_en.asp?belgeno=3401

 

[Said1]

I looked at the charts and I also read the accounts of the Armenian revolts, why are the numbers different?

Being a Westerner, I've also never heard of the Armenian genocide against the Turks, but I like how they refer to it as a "so-called genocide".

 

[Said1]

Turkish Diplomats killed by Armenian Terrorits.


http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/default_en.asp?belgeno=3401

Now that I'm aware of, one was killed here, not far from my house. There were attempts on two others,with one surviving. Another was shot while out of the country.

Did I mention I had a job interveiw at the Turkish Embassy here, several years ago? Crappy pay and long hours, really nice people though.

 

[ekrem]

all proved by international Historicians from out "NAtional Archives"

SCANNED PICTURES OF ORIGINALS



why does Armenia do not open their "NAtional Archives" ?






Original State Documents.

Protecting the movable properties of deported Armenians.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=527


Assisting the return of Armenians and meeting their communities.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=533


The deportation of Armenian women, children and the sick by vehicles.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=535





The list of the Muslim population killed and the houses burnt by the Armenian bands in the villages of Erzurum City,
(Page 1)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=512


The list of the Muslim population killed and the houses burnt by the Armenian bands in the villages of Erzurum City,
(Page 3)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=514


The list of the Muslim population killed and the houses burnt by the Armenian bands in the villages of Erzurum City,
(Page 5)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=516


The list of the Muslim population killed and the houses burnt by the Armenian bands in the villages of Erzurum City,
(Page 6)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=517


The list of the Muslim population killed and the houses burnt by the Armenian bands in the villages of Erzurum City,
(Page 7)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=518


The list of the Muslim population killed and the houses burnt by the Armenian bands in the villages of Erzurum City,
(Page 8)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=519

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The document of Armenian massacres and plunders in Zeytun, Demirkapi and Pilumur villages.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=502


Armenian massacres against Muslim locals of Kars, Sarikamish and Karakurt,
(Page 1 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=498


Armenian massacres against Muslim locals of Kars, Sarikamish and Karakurt,
(Page 2 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=499


Armenian massacres against Muslim locals of Kars, Sarikamish and Karakurt,
(Page 3 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=500


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Massacres by Armenians and French troops to the Muslim locals of Ayintap, Marash, Adana, (Page 1)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=494


Massacres by Armenians and French troops to the Muslim locals of Ayintap, Marash, Adana, (Page 2)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=495


Massacres by Armenians and French troops to the Muslim locals of Ayintap, Marash, Adana, (Page 3)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=496


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Massacres carried by Armenians and Russians,
(Page 1 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=491


Massacres carried by Armenians and Russians,
(Page 2 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=492


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Document of massacres against Muslims carried by Armenian bands and the Russians.
(Page 1 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=486


Document of massacres against Muslims carried by Armenian bands and the Russians.
(Page 2 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=487


Document of massacres against Muslims carried by Armenian bands and the Russians.
(Page 3 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=488


Document of massacres against Muslims carried by Armenian bands and the Russians.
(Page 4
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=489


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The report of Mehmet Münir Bey, the legal advisor, on the activities of Armenians and the reasons for the deportations.
(Page 1 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=483


The report of Mehmet Münir Bey, the legal advisor, on the activities of Armenians and the reasons for the deportations.
(Page 2 )
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=484













Payment of the Armenians' food and lodging expenses from the fund allocated for the refugees.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=466


That Armenians are allowed to return.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=472


Protecting the deported Armenians on the roads and punishing those who attack them.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=467


That Protestans Armenians not be deported.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=468


The objectives and principles which must be kept in mind in the deportation of Armenians.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=469


Dispatching the gendarmerie who acted inappropriately to the military court.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=470


That the deportation of Armenians be ceased.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=471



Preventive measures taken for the inhabitants who will be returned to their countries.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=473


That a commission consisting of impartial jurists be established to investigate the deportations. (Page 1)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=475


That a commission consisting of impartial jurists be established to investigate the deportations. (Page 2)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=476


That a commission consisting of impartial jurists be established to investigate the deportations. (Page 3)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=477


That a commission consisting of impartial jurists be established to investigate the deportations. (Page 4)
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=478


Investigation of those who mistreated Armenians during the deportation.
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/popup_en.asp?belgeno=481

















and so on and so on

look here for more
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/default_en.asp?belgeno=3597

 

[Said1]

Armenian massacres on Azerbaycan-Turks

http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/default_en.asp?belgeno=3347

Although very interesting, it's not relevant to the topic. It does provide evidence for long standing hatred though.

 

[ekrem]

Turkish Diplomats killed by Armenian Terrorits.


http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/default_en.asp?belgeno=3401

Now that I'm aware of, one was killed here, not far from my house. There were attempts on two others,with one surviving. Another was shot while out of the country.

Did I mention I had a job interveiw at the Turkish Embassy here, several years ago? Crappy pay and long hours, really nice people though.

yes, thank you for these words, so you have for sure than be invited for turkish cay (black tea)?


Said1 ?

i have much more facts and links.
But i do not know if you think, when i post much more that this is then spam...

 

[Said1]

all proved by international Historicians from out "NAtional Archives"

SCANNED PICTURES OF ORIGINALS



why does Armenia do not open their "NAtional Archives" ?

and so on and so on

look here for more
http://www.kulturturizm.gov.tr/portal/default_en.asp?blgeno=3597

What am I supposed to do with those links?? Are they translated somewhere?? I could say something else about state archives, but I won't.

 

[Said1]

And BTW, I'm not a man.

 

[ekrem]

What am I supposed to do with those links?? Are they translated somewhere?? I could say something else about state archives, but I won't.

that state archives are falsified by turks?

it is not possile to falsify those state documents.
As i said, international historicians proofed all original.


Turkish archives open for everyone.

French, Russian and Armenian not...
They only accuse not prove.


Why have Armenians never took Turks to court then?
when they have proofs?



SAID1 ? many decades the british "Blue Book", "Andorian documents", "Talat Pasa Telegrafs" were one of the main proofs for The Armenians to accuse Turkey for Genocide...

Do you want Information, how Armenians falsified them?
This is courtly proven. A french court-judgement says: these not acceptabel for genocide-theory...

 

[ekrem]

What am I supposed to do with those links?? Are they translated somewhere?? I could say something else about state archives, but I won't.

i know, i remember your Messages through PM.
I did not want to offend you.

but it makes me sad, when everyone does only of Christ Armenians and does not know of murdered Turks. Perhaps they are Muslims.

over 500.000 Turks murdered by Armenians... In That Time Turkey was only about 15 mio People... so almost every Family has lost people...

We turks do not ignire these massacres, made by Armenians on Kurds+Turks.

Also we ignore not massacres by Turks+Kurds on Armenians when Armenians where Transportized to Syria.
You have always to remember, Turkey was f.... up from every Major Power in every 4 directions...

French, Russia, Arabs, England, Australia and so on... All attacking us, and the whole empire dying and groups rebelling, motivated by these Major-Powers to rebel. And were financed and equipped with weapons.
Groups rebelling, that we were living in Peace with, until Europeans brought Philosophy of Nationalism to Ottoman Empire.




And of course, The germans, which had interests in Middle East oil, and were the generals of our army as we were allied.
I did not say Germans Genocide.
When you want, i can again tell you about German entangling in all these happenings.

as some minutes ago, i think i could not explain you, as you think, as i sid, germans would genocide.

 

[Said1]

that state archives are falsified by turks?

it is not possile to falsify those state documents.
As i said, international historicians proofed all original.


Turkish archives open for everyone.

French, Russian and Armenian not...
They only accuse not prove.


Why have Armenians never took Turks to court then?
when they have proofs?



SAID1 ? many decades the british "Blue Book", "Andorian documents", "Talat Pasa Telegrafs" were one of the main proofs for The Armenians to accuse Turkey for Genocide...

Do you want Information, how Armenians falsified them?
This is courtly proven. A french court-judgement says: these not acceptabel...

I didn't say they were false as in forged by your government, but regardless, I can't read them.

 

[ekrem]

but under these scanned documents ther are englisch sentences compacting the original document...

We Turks changed our Alphabet from Arabic to Latin in 1920s by ATATÜRK.
He did do much much more, but this is not topic here

 

[ekrem]

German Chancellor Schröder supporting Turkey to form a International Historicians Commission.

Turks+Armenians and other international Historicians should join an International Historicians Commision, which would be held in Switzerland.

But Armenians do not want join this international commision.
Also they do not go to Court.
Also there state archives closed, jailing Professor+Duke of USA-University who investigated Genocide-claims in Armenia.
The link i gave in previous posts...

Genocide is not a Politician thing, it is historicians thing.
The best would be when this all would come for a Court, to be decided by court.
Turks would accept this court decision as then it is decided by facts and so on

 

[Said1]

i know, i remember your Messages through PM.
I did not want to offend you.

but it makes me sad, when everyone does only of Christ Armenians and does not know of murdered Turks. Perhaps they are Muslims.

over 500.000 Turks murdered by Armenians... In That Time Turkey was only about 15 mio People... so almost every Family has lost people...

We turks do not ignire these massacres, made by Armenians on Kurds+Turks.

Also we ignore not massacres by Turks+Kurds on Armenians when Armenians where Transportized to Syria.
You have always to remember, Turkey was f.... up from every Major Power in every 4 directions...

French, Russia, Arabs, England, Australia and so on... All attacking us, and the whole empire dying and groups rebelling, motivated by these Major-Powers to rebel. And were financed and equipped with weapons.
Groups rebelling, that we were living in Peace with, until Europeans brought Philosophy of Nationalism to Ottoman Empire.

Trust me, I understand more than you think and have no desire to pick apart every last thing you post at this point in time. However, given the history between the Turks and Armenians, it's easy to see how this happened and why the Armenians were also seen as such a threat. You have posted as much yourself ( even though one of the articles you posted clams most Armenians were neutral??).

And of course, The germans, which had interests in Middle East oil, and were the generals of our army as we were allied.
I did not say Germans Genocide.
When you want, i can again tell you about German entangling in all these happenings.

as some minutes ago, i think i could not explain you, as you think, as i sid, germans would genocide.

I'm aware of Germany's interest in the Middle East at that time, but I'm not following you here - would or wouldn't genocide?

 

[ekrem]

situation with armenia and turkey are very complicated.

Russia and IRAN is ally with Armenia in the region.
Now Vladimir Putin says to turkey :"it is time to step forward" as turkeys trade is increasing with russia, and we are not enemies anymore.
Also ther is this Mountain Karabag conflict with Armenia and azerbaycan.
Armenia occupies Azerbaycan Territory since 1990s .

Azerbaycan also turks (one nation, many countries)

Turks closed boarders to Armenia also Azerbaycan did. Armenia isn't doing well with economies and so on. they are isolated from 2 sides.

But they are holding an old Chernobyl style Atomic machine on Turkish boarder, also storing Atomic material besides Turkish boarder...


they have realpolitics-interests with turkey. (economy, opening borders and so on)

 

[ekrem]

everywhere where painted in colour in this map are turkish origin

http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/didact/karten/turk/turklm.htm

 

[Said1]

but under these scanned documents ther are englisch sentences compacting the original document...

I saw that.

We Turks changed our Alphabet from Arabic to Latin in 1920s by ATATÜRK.
He did do much much more, but this is not topic here

Yep, the secularization of Turkey.

 

[ekrem]

Trust me, I understand more than you think and have no desire to pick apart every last thing you post at this point in time. However, given the history between the Turks and Armenians, it's easy to see how this happened and why the Armenians were also seen as such a threat. You have posted as much yourself ( even though one of the articles you posted clams most Armenians were neutral??).






I'm aware of Germany's interest in the Middle East at that time, but I'm not following you here - would or wouldn't genocide?

No, as i metioned, Germans built Bagdad-Bahn connecting Istanbul with Bagdad by train. To supply Germany with oil. Also that germany can handle quick situations in these regions. because turkish infrastructure bad and no industrialization at this time as in europe.

As i said, armenians were living on the route of this trainway.

So Armeinains were then deployed from these regions to Syria. Plus they sympatized with russia, massacres, rebelling
When russia get those regions by Armenians, then shit, both for Turkey and as well for Germany.


This Miltary strategy.





Look, here is listing of top-leading German Generals of Ottoman Army...

Chief of Military Headstaff (Number One in Army)
Generalmajor Bronsart von Schellendorf



General of Ottoman Cavalry
Liman von Sanders


Leader of 6th Ottoman Army
Generalfeldmarschall (Pascha) Freiherr von der Goltz


General of Ottoman Navy
Konteradmiral Souchon



Admiral for Dardanelles
Admiral von Usedom

Admiral for Anatolian Water Ways (Tigris+Euphrat)
Admiral Merten


Commander of 9th division
Oberst Pötrih


Commander of 13th Division
Oberst Havik


Kommandeur XIV. Korps
Brigadegeneral Trommer


Commander of Torpedo-boats
Kapitänleutnant Firle


Weponsinspector
Kapitän zur See Pieper


Commander Coastdefence Suvla-Bucht
Major Willmer


Commander of biggest artilery-divison
Hauptmann Wilhelmi




and so on and so on


Edit: good-night, it is late.

 

[Said1]

No, as i metioned, Germans built Bagdad-Bahn connecting Istanbul with Bagdad by train. To supply Germany with oil. Also that germany can handle quick situations in these regions. because turkish infrastructure bad and no industrialization at this time as in europe.

As i said, armenians were living on the route of this trainway. As we now know, Armenians rebelled.
So Armeinains were then deployed from these regions to Syria. Plus they sympatized with russia, massacres, rebelling
When russia get those regions by Armenians, then shit, both for Turkey and as well for Germany.


This Miltary strategy.





Look, here is listing of top-leading German Generals of Ottoman Army...

Chief of Military Headstaff (Number One in Army)
Generalmajor Bronsart von Schellendorf



General of Ottoman Cavalry
Liman von Sanders


Leader of 6th Ottoman Army
Generalfeldmarschall (Pascha) Freiherr von der Goltz


General of Ottoman Navy
Konteradmiral Souchon



Admiral for Dardanelles
Admiral von Usedom

Admiral for Anatolian Water Ways (Tigris+Euphrat)
Admiral Merten


Commander of 9th division
Oberst Pötrih


Commander of 13th Division
Oberst Havik


Kommandeur XIV. Korps
Brigadegeneral Trommer


Commander of Torpedo-boats
Kapitänleutnant Firle


Weponsinspector
Kapitän zur See Pieper


Commander Coastdefence Suvla-Bucht
Major Willmer


Commander of biggest artilery-divison
Hauptmann Wilhelmi




and so on and so on

Go get some sleep, I'll get back to this tomorrow. My eyes feel like they're bleeding and it took way to long to formulate this sentance. I'll reply to the above tomorrow.